McKay vs O’Connell: a rah-rah grills a leaguie

By Ryan O'Connell / Expert

Yesterday, we read Brett McKay’s answers to my grilling questions about rugby union. Today, it’s my turn in the hot seat as Brett applies the blowtorch to me about rugby league.

Like Brett, I’ve been given limited time to answer these questions, along with a word restriction per answer. So my thoughts and comments are spontaneous, with no time for editing or second guessing.

Brett McKay: Is this NRL season merely a 26 round playoff to see who plays the Melbourne Storm in the grand final?

Absolutely not.

While it’s difficult to envisage the boys from Victoria not playing in the grand final, most pundits, including myself, said the same thing last year. Instead, the favoured Storm were bundled out in the semi-final by a deserving New Zealand Warriors outfit.

The Storm looked invincible earlier in the season, but a shock loss to the Sharks a few weeks ago, and the inevitable toll that State of Origin will take on the team, ensures that Melbourne are vulnerable over the next two months.

Mind you, they’ve built a nice lead at the top of the competition ladder to give themselves some breathing space, providing them the latitude to drop a few games and still be atop of the ladder.

But after the first week of the finals, it’s sudden death, and anything can happen. There are plenty of teams across many sports that have entered their respective finals as the favourite but went home empty handed.

You still have to play well when it matters most, and the pressure is at its highest.

So, that’s a long winded ‘no’.

Brett: With most teams running a single playmaker in the modern game, is five-eighth now merely a fourth backrower?

The myth that most rugby league teams now only contain one playmaker has gained serious momentum in recent times. Even the great Gus Gould has jumped on the bandwagon, bemoaning the lack of pure five-eighths in the modern game.

But the myth doesn’t quite stand up to scrutiny. Or it depends on your definition of playmaker.

A list of the halves combinations in the NRL, disregarding injuries, suggests the traditional halves pairing is alive and well: Soward/Hornby, Roberts/Sandow, Burns/Walsh, Gidley/Mullen, Campese/Williams, Cherry-Evans/Foran, Johnson/Maloney. I could keep going, but you get the picture.

Where I think the myth comes from is the effects of the salary cap. With each team having a set budget, it’s sometimes not ideal salary cap management to spend a lot of money on both halves. Some teams obviously feel that it’s wiser to have one elite level half, combined with a solid first grader, thereby giving you the flexibility to purchase another elite level player in the forwards or backline.

That means that one of your halves is usually highly paid, and you’d obviously want that highly paid player with their hands on the ball a lot. That can translate to having a dominant playmaker, and a role player beside him, which may give the impression that a team is running with just the one playmaker.

I don’t think they are; they simply have a dominant half.

Brett: Is there far too much reliance on the kick in try-scoring?

There is certainly a reliance on kicking in order to score tries in rugby league. But too much reliance? I think I can debate that.

Quite simply, that’s the nature of the beast. That’s rugby league, and it’s an inherent part of the game, no different to ruck and mauls in rugby union.

I found it bewildering that many people were calling the two New South Wales tries in State of Origin last Wednesday ‘lucky’, because they came from bombs. The idea of a bomb is to put the opposition’s back three under heavy pressure from chasers, and then capitalise on any mistakes, or catch the bomb yourself.

Sure there is an element of luck in it, but is there any less luck in, for example, Carney and Uate making poor defensive decisions on the right hand side?

The attacking team is looking for defensive weaknesses to capitalise on. Kicks provide the opportunity to do just that.

We also need to recognise that kicking is the high percentage play. If teams always run the ball on the fifth tackle, then they run the risk of coming up empty handed. And I don’t just mean on the scoreboard.

The second best result, if a team can’t score a try, is to regain position via a line drop-out. And that’s impossible to do if you run the ball every time. Kicking enables the attacking team to mount pressure on the opposition; even if they should come up empty handed on the scoreboard.

Is there a reliance on kicking to score tries? Absolutely. Far too much? No.

Brett: Does interchange mean the game is too fast – will fatigue ever be a factor at the back-end of games again?

The game is definitely fast, but that is one of the game’s strengths, and I don’t think anything should be done to slow it down.

One of main attractions of rugby league is the speed of the game, so in answering the first part of the question, no, I don’t think the game is too fast. That’s rugby league’s point of difference, if you like.

As for the second component of the question, despite the interchange rules, fatigue is still very much a factor at the back-end of games.

Look no further than State of Origin as an example. The Queensland Maroons were out on their feet in the last 15 minutes of Origin one, but the Blues just weren’t good enough to deliver the knock-out blow.

With the professionalism of the modern player, and the subtle changing of body types over the years, particularly in regards to the new athletic forward prototype, fitness has never been more important in rugby league.

Already this season, we’ve seen many games won in the finals minutes, because the game opens up as players become tired, proving that fatigue is very much still a crucial factor at the back-end of games.

Brett: If you could poach one Australian rugby player to play rugby league, who would it be and why?

Before the code warmongers kick-off again, Brett and I are fully aware this is a hypothetical question. But if rugby league could get their hands on one rugby union player, I think it would be James O’Connor.

As a rugby league halfback, O’Connor would bring a lot to the table. Speed, footwork, ball skills, a super boot, plenty of x-factor, and little bit of a cheek.

He’s also bulked up considerably over the years, and his defence is brilliant.

I could easily see O’Connor playing a Shaun Johnson-type role with an NRL club, and I think he’d be an absolute sensation at rugby league.

He’s the complete package, and combined with his young age, there is no question that he would be an attractive poaching for the code.

The Crowd Says:

2012-06-08T09:31:16+00:00

Boris the Mudcrab

Guest


Predictable - Generally Union is like soccer in which the game is won via a penalty shootout.

2012-06-02T13:13:51+00:00

jmacredie

Roar Rookie


I'd like to see all of those guys you mentioned come over to rugby. A couple of them would do great. most of them would fumble around for a couple of years and then go back to league saying rugby was boring. In reality they were just crap, seen it lots of times over many years.

2012-06-02T13:03:01+00:00

jmacredie

Roar Rookie


sorry the biggest contest in rugby is at the ruck. It may not be the prettiest but it is there. League has only the kick contest for the ball. rugby has the ruck, scrum, kick, maul. I guess that means no contest between the 2.

2012-06-02T11:11:48+00:00

jmacredie

Roar Rookie


and if you included nz rugby players you would have to add TJ. Conrad, ranger, Nonu. barret, dagg, guildford, fruan, sonny bill, Tikoirotuma, Taylor, Weepu, Carter. And really I could go on and on forever, there are truck loads and truck loads of super rugby players that would make it and push out NRl players. I could think of lots more oz players and heaps more NZ, and SA players, also some argintinians, french, fijian, samoan scots, irish, welsh, players that would also make it in the nrl but I suppose when there is more than 5 million rugby players and less than a million league players you have a lot more options. Not to worry though. Rugby is only going to be in the olympics in 4 years time so that number will only double in the next 10 years. I think the main question might be who will be left in league.

2012-06-02T10:49:56+00:00

jmacredie

Roar Rookie


I would like to see how all of those players would stack up in rugby. I reckon that they would struggle with they lack of time and space. It took one of the greatest league players (sonny bill williams) 4 years to get to the top level of rugby. Benji would be to scared to swap codes(gets it too easy in league even when he stuffs up). Thurston would be ok some of the time. Slater would have moments but would leak too much defensively. Cronk Farah would be good if they went through the sevens programe. Carney would never get offered any sort of contract in rugby.

2012-06-02T10:32:27+00:00

jmacredie

Roar Rookie


Reason why a forward can stay in Rugby longer than league is that you can develop and mature in rugby whereas league forward game is so one dimensional that it can't last as long as rugby. you can stamp your style to the game in rugby whereas league is one style only.

2012-06-01T01:22:39+00:00

warren

Guest


No Col we do not want this. All we would have is that ugly kicking and racking we had before. RL has simply developed differently and for the better like getting rid of those awful scrums. Seems like most things in life people have amnesia on how bad some things really were before we changed.

2012-05-31T11:50:25+00:00

Dom

Guest


2012-05-31T11:44:43+00:00

Dom

Guest


I bet if you put a pedometer on billy slater and pocock you would think otherwise Oh and if you union fans were gonna ask the famous question about the uncontested scrum? 1. It's so we don't have to watch 3 scrims get set and fall down before the ref flips a coin and someone gets a penalty while the game stops for 5mins 2. We still have it for set backline plays 3. I hate QLD :)

2012-05-31T10:51:59+00:00

Dean - Surry Hills

Guest


Hooker would be great - I can almost visualise him going toe to toe with Cameron Smith. The quality ball, service, and defense that he offered would have propelled average teams to great heights. He would have been as equally devestating if playing with the number 6 on his back -and I believe he would have been mentioned in the same breath as Wally, Fitler, and Lyons.

2012-05-31T10:40:30+00:00

Dubble Bubble

Guest


I would suggest that the difference between a genuine 5/8 and a third centre as you put it would be creativity. Gasnier and Inglis were always going to be solid 5/8ths because of just how good they where but they where never true 5/8ths all tyhey could do was run hard and occasionally kick the ball. Where as Daley and Fittler were genuine 5/8ths due to their playmaking ability.

AUTHOR

2012-05-31T07:39:52+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbgShiaal6E

2012-05-31T04:04:26+00:00

Emric

Guest


No blame intended. I'm just old fashioned about sports, and loyality.. I don't blame him for taking the cash hell if i was in his position and some guy from japan was offering me 1 million USD a year to go play in Japan i'd jump as well

2012-05-31T03:18:19+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Guest


I think it's ridiculous that anyone could be criticised for 'taking the money'. The concept of loyalty only works if it's two ways - how often does that truly happen? Athletes have short careers compared to other professions. They need to earn as much money as they can - like we all do - to ensure their families, and themselves, are set-up financially. An athlete's career is about 15 years, at best, so you can't fault them for making as much money as they can. And that's without even considering that an injury can shorten their career.

2012-05-31T02:43:47+00:00

Red Kev

Guest


Yeah although I personally don't find League that enjoyable it is important to recognise that the "stop-start" argument for league refers only to the ball - the defenders have to jog/run back 10-12 metres to reset their line then move up again; in Union the defensive line sets pretty much where the tackle is eliminating this additional aerobic fitness requirement. "Stop-start" as it refers to Union is more about the fact that scrums are contests and the lineout is an additional contest; League removes these contestable possessions by just making them restarts - the players stand still more often and the ball is out of play more often in Union.

2012-05-31T01:27:56+00:00

Emric

Guest


Thanks for the reply Ryan. The question was basically the same exacpt I was thinking in the wider context of Super Rugby not just Australian Rugby. I was wondering if from all the top players across NZ/SA and of course Aus that JoC would still be the guy you would like to see playing the 13 a side code. The Scrum was more just curious there have been so many debates about the scrums in league but I've always thought they did what they were meant to do which was remove players from the over defensive line. I don't think Sonny Bills going to return to league for a little while longer yet - he will be made a full time All Black this year and he will probably jump ship to Japan for 1.5 million USD next year. His loyalities are to himself which annoys me but the reality is he will get ahead in life because of it. So I say good on him for taking the money and running

AUTHOR

2012-05-31T00:29:21+00:00

Ryan O'Connell

Expert


Cheers Dean, thank you for the kind words. We may pull this concept out again in the future, as it seems to have gone down well. As for your selection of George Gregan as the rugby player you would have loved to have played league, I must admit that I often wondered about GG myself. I do have to ask, what position did you have him playing? I always had him at hooker, funnily enough.

2012-05-30T14:06:33+00:00

D Maaga

Roar Rookie


my boys play rugby union on saturdays and league on sundays but they will have to choose one when they get into the under 13's i've been told.

2012-05-30T14:01:36+00:00

D Maaga

Roar Rookie


the island kids are also born and made for rugby union and american football maybe thats why more of them prefer rugby union to rugby league in new zealand.

2012-05-30T13:57:39+00:00

D Maaga

Roar Rookie


every rugby or league competition are tough and its only the league fans and media who use that line its the toughest competition in the world.

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