It's time for Robbie Deans to go

Absobloodylutely!

This rot must end. It's up to all Australians to demand more. No longer can we accept this 'aura' of All Black superiority. This Country pisses all over NZ - we the people need to take responsibility for what the ARU and politicians will not. The current coaching regime have failed. A New Zealand coach, despite their credentials, will never feel the deep pain that a patriot feels when we his country has bled. It's just a blemish on his CV. Let's face it ... Deans ultimately wants to coach the All Blacks , a part of him will always feel emotionally connected to the Blacks despite the guise of clinical professionalism. The Australian public need to be more demanding of our team. We need to make sure the right calibre of players are produced. We need to extend Rugby beyond the thin talent pool of predominantly private school privileged boys schools. We need less pampered players who are more prepared to put their bodies on the line. Getting within 6 points of the Blacks and saying we're improving is no longer acceptable. I won't be happy until we are trouncing that volcanic lump across the ditch by 20 points every game. Please voice your anger... nothing will change until you do.

I would like to know what Deans has to actually hang his hat on? Tactics, selections, communication, innovation, attack, defence or results?

Funny I thought it was you who wrote that Australians are arrogant. You are a classic!

Yeah, he's obviously been a 'cancer' at Toulon where they've reached the final of the Top 14 for the first time since the early 90s I believe.

Completely agree with that. I think we have canvassed a number of better options in other articles.

Cooper Vuna doesn't need to be selected though. There are other players.

'Aside from the hooker position, we are 2 or 3 deep with players talented enough to make almost any national squad and many are yet to reach their prime' That is massively objectionable.

'He was a cancer in whatever side he was in.' Now you're just being ridiculous.

'Losing to England? Was it his fault Giteau missed a penalty right out in front 99% of fly halfs in the world would have nailed.' Wilkinson also missed a kick from right in front of the posts, so that's that myth debunked. Also, that England side was on average younger and less experienced in terms of caps than the 'youthful' Wallaby side. Further, the Wallabies actually scored a 7 pointer from a blatant forward pass, and why would Australia at home need to rely on a 3 pointer to beat England? 'Samoa illustrated the lack of depth in the Wallabies.' And yet Scotland can field a 2nd XV and beat Samoa in Scotland. Funny that. 'He was given a shell of a side which had mass retirements the year before.' Why do you keep repeating this? It's factually inaccurate.

It's clearly not working at the moment with Deans and the overriding sentiment from us Aussies is that we want a change and our own man in charge.

I work for the government, I'm not sure it's possible to be anything other than a failure!

Robbie Deans is just the easiest symptom to identify in the malaise that is afflicting Australian Rugby. While I agree with a lot of the dissatisfactions expressed above, it seems clear that there is a lack of player depth and other than push for the establishment of a fifth Australian side in Super Rugby, precious little has been done to address this issue. When you have a relative novice like Cooper Vuna stepping up to the elite level, I think it has to be acknowledged that things are very bad indeed. Injuries are part and parcel of any sport and can't be used as a justification for poor performance. If the ARU had persevered with a mid tier competition and took more interest in the running of the game at a club level we might not be sitting here blathering about the coach. Sure Robbie Deans isn't the most articulate person running around and appears to lack tactical nous, but to blame this rapidly evolving fiasco on him solely is, in my view, entirely missing the point. Ultimately the lack of depth will reflect in poor elite performance (as we are seeing now) and a corresponding drop in support and interest in Rugby in Australia. My view is that the Wallabies and the ARU are at a tipping point, it's crisis time, but we see very little response from the ruling elite in Australian Rugby.

'The 2011 ones full of youth. Deans inherited a side that needed to be built from scratch.' You've said this before, KiwiDave. It just isn't the case.

No but I'm sure you are a failure at whatever is that you do!

Good for you, Irene. Gotta love how the conclusion most Deans apologists come to is that it doesn't make a difference whether Deans is coach. Yeah? So get rid of him.

deans wasnt out there taking the kick, but for a player and team to be so completely lost and down on confidence, with no gameplan that they lose that game to Scot...It's the coaches fault, he cant inspire the players, it was his first gig as a coach outside of NZ and he was rattled from the start, in big brother, sucking up to all and sundry especially a few golden boy players, not coaching/mentoring them, beale, cooper & o"connor are allowed to run their own race, these blokes havent learnt or changed anything from their previous experiences, if anything theyve become more arrogant, where are the old school boys to pull these clowns in to line undercover prop would have sorted it, refreshing to hear gills post match speech at the u20's the other night , all class, forget the so-called stars and rebuild without them, luck and a few freak skills have saved deans arse to this point and even won us a hollow tri-nations, when those 3 have had a bad night or like this week theyre not there, the bees get smashed, no structure and so no consistency, all just treading water and no purpose, without those 3 chancing their luck, the wallabies have nothing, he's had 5 yrs now a generation of Wallaby players, and we are more of a mess than before, his selections are screwed, it's no blight on him or NZ Kiwidouche but the relationship is not working, time for a new strategy, deans makes good players bad, jake white makes bad players good

Deans' job is to get good performances out of the Wallabies every match, not once in a blue moon. Deans has built no structure and no consistency in the team; he has instilled no pride or fire in the team. He's a failure.

Irene, I have to disagree. It's easy to blame Deans though and, like water, the path of least resistance is very hard to avoid. let's talk properly if you're interested.

Gatland has been Wales' coach as long as Deans has been Australian coach. Gatland has guided Wales to two Grand Slam six-nations wins in 5 years. Had Deans guided the Wallabies to two clean sweeps of the tri-nations?