Just how good is Israel Dagg?

By abnutta / Roar Guru

A blistering try down the left flank. A sublime transfer for a try down the right flank. A pin point kick, chase and tackle to force the Wallabies to pack down a scrum under pressure on their own line with time virtually up on the clock.

These were the moments which underlined a Man-of-the-Match performance from Israel Dagg. After just 16 tests for the All Blacks, Dagg has cemented his place as the premier fullback in New Zealand and perhaps the world.

He has also inherited the throne of a royal line of world class New Zealand fullbacks which stretches back, almost unbroken, to the very first New Zealand test match against Australia in Sydney in 1903.

At fullback for New Zealand that day was the early colossus of All Black rugby, Billy Wallace. Although never more than a reluctant fullback (he preferred to play on the wing), Wallace is always considered the first in the royal line.

A prolific points scorer of the time, Wallace amassed 230 points (including 27 tries) during the Originals tour of Britain, France and North America in 1905/06. That’s a record which still stands 106 years later.

Nicknamed “Carbine” after the 1890 Melbourne Cup winner, due to his blistering speed, Wallace was a key participant in one of the great controversies of All Black History. It was Billy Wallace that made the break and final pass to Bob Deans for the try that wasn’t against Wales at Cardiff Arms in 1905. But for a piece of Welsh skullduggery, that try and handy conversion close to the posts “an easy kick for me” as Wallace recalled, would have resulted in an undefeated tour.

Alas it was not to be. The controversial loss did however start a great rivalry between Wales and New Zealand, and when hostilities resumed during the All Blacks next major tour to the British Isles in 1924/5, at fullback that day was the legendary Hawkes Bay fullback George Nepia.

Aged just 19 years, Nepia was selected as the only fullback for the tour and thus played in that position in all 30 matches.

To add to this remarkable feat of endurance, none of his team mates can recall a single error in his play. Just think on that a moment.

Not one missed tackle? Not one dropped high ball? Not one missed line kick for touch?

His team mates also agree that Nepia’s finest display was in the Test match against Wales at Swansea. It was in this match where Nepia displayed his devastating crash tackling and his fearlessness in the face of the Welsh forward dribbling rushes.

Nepia “guarded the gate” and the All Blacks kept the Welsh scoreless by 19 points to nil. One point for every year they waited to avenge poor old Bob Deans.

British Cricket and Rugby journalist, Denzil Batchelor wrote of Nepia “When I hear others debating who will play fullback for the Kingdom of Heaven versus the rest I turn to stone. It is not to me a question of whether Nepia was the best fullback in history. It is a question of which of the others is fit to lace up his Cotton Oxford boots.”

Nepia was not allowed to tour South Africa in 1928 when he was still in his prime aged just 23 years. He was never selected again for New Zealand after the 1930 season and went to league in 1932.

Nepia’s old Hawkes Bay coach, Norman Mckenzie caused a furore in 1954 when he said “Nepia was a truly great player. He stoppede the other team from scoring. Scott has brought a new dimension to rugby by not only defending his goal, but by also attacking the other side’s. I used to say Nepia was not a Scott and Scott was not a Nepia, but now I am quite satisfied Scott is the greatest fullback I have seen.”

He was referring of course to Bob Scott who was allowed to tour South Africa in 1949 and, kicking woes aside, played some of the best rugby of his illustrious career.

The legendary Springbok No.8, Hennie Muller stated that “Scott always appeared to have plenty of time, even under pressure.

He loved coming into the line and his speed and elusiveness was such that he was always a danger. Altogether the greatest footballer I’ve ever played against in any position.”

During the 1953/54 tour of the British Isles, a 33-year-old Bob Scott would often give barefoot goalkicking displays from halfway during training. Great kicking displays would become the hallmark of his successor in the royal line, Don “The Boot” Clarke.

Don Clarke made his All Black debut during the 3rd test of the brutal 1956 Springbok tour of New Zealand.

The mighty Springboks had never lost a Test series anywhere to anyone in the 20th century up to that point.

With the series tied at 1-1, changes were made and into the fullback spot came the big Waikato fullback Don Clarke, who had been instrumental in Waikato’s defeat of the Springboks in the first match of the tour.

Two booming penalty goals and a conversion netted Clarke the first eight points of his test career.

He would retire in 1964 with a knee injury, having amassed a world record 207 points. To put this statistic in perspective when he retired, the player in second place, Jean Prat of France had 90 – less than half.

Many of Don Clarke’s goals were in match winning, pressure situations. He was directly responsible for All Black success in 16 of the 31 tests in which he played. A true match winner.

One of the best descriptions of his effect on world rugby came from his All Black captain Sir Wilson Whineray. He described having Clarke behind the team as being “like a huge energy force behind you.” Clarke regularly kicked goals from his own 10-yard line and “we’d find that opposition hookers were afraid to move, and that loose forwards would stay attached to scrums. He inhibited the whole opposition.”

The nuggety Canterbury farmer, Fergie McCormick took over the fullback position 1965 and, apart from a brief interruption in 1966 held the jersey in good stead until the first Test against the Lions in 1971.

McCormick was also a fine goal kicker who set a then individual world record of 24 points against the grand slam winning 1969 Welsh team.

He also surpassed Don Clarke’s first class record of 1851 points and became the first New Zealander to pass 2000 points.

After McCormick, New Zealand was served well by many fine fullbacks. Joe Karam, Alan Hewson and Robbie Deans – Earls and Dukes rather than Kings.

The throne was regained when a slightly built former English policeman moved to Wellington and built a career that included a Rugby World Cup victory and retired having never suffered defeat in an All Black jersey.

John Gallagher will probably be remembered in New Zeland at least as the first truly attacking fullback with the stats to back it up. 35 tries in 41 matches for New Zealand.

His loss to rugby league in 1990 was deeply felt, especially considering his heir apparent, Matthew Ridge also defected in the same week.

Then All Black coach, Alex Wyllie believed his team never fully recovered from the loss of Gallagher as it built towards the 1991 World Cup.

Not much more needs to be said about the two great fullbacks who followed Gallagher as long term custodians of the black No.15 jersey.

Christian Cullen – 52 tries in 58 matches. Malili Muliaina – first All Black back to reach 100 tests.

Israel Dagg. You think tackling a rampaging Bismark Du Plessis or Digby Ioane is difficult? Try living up to that legacy.

The Crowd Says:

2014-03-07T14:36:57+00:00

Harry Felix

Guest


Dagg is considered the best,but not with the EXPRESS.Cully still is the best

2012-09-20T05:59:18+00:00

richard

Guest


What sets Dagg apart, is that he has a great kicking game, allied to his counter- attacking and defensive skills. This is vital in the current game, and is what sets him apart from all the other 15's playing atm. I would describe dagg as combining the skill sets of all of nz's greatest f/b's; he has Gallagher and Cullen's running game, Nepia's defence and Clarke's prodigious boot, which makes him, near as dammit, one of the most, if not the greatest of ab fullbacks. And the real kicker, from a nz perspective is his age, which means (maintaining form ), he could be around for 2 more wc's !

2012-09-16T15:42:16+00:00

daggfan

Guest


dagg has a good sidestep and also punts well,, hes running style is superb. seems like he just strides even though hes fast.. :) if he continues playing this way NZ will never loose.. btw i heard he does smoke cigarette?? duno if its true

2012-08-26T05:53:30+00:00

mania

Guest


abnutta - nepia was awesome. only a couple of things seperate them. nepia wasnt really a counter attackin FB and was a bit suspect in 1 on 1 tackles

2012-08-25T11:58:54+00:00

Sylvester

Guest


Pass the ball, just pass the ball Israel...

2012-08-25T11:58:13+00:00

Sylvester

Guest


Pass the ball, just pass the ball...

2012-08-25T10:06:36+00:00

Justin2

Guest


Tonight was a perfect example of how far Dagg has to come in performing week in week out. Judge him when he is done...

2012-08-24T20:48:30+00:00

Justin2

Guest


Sheek I see what you are saying but its the sum of the parts not the parts themselves. Dagg is quite inconsistent and was actually having a poor year up until last week for all his talent.

2012-08-24T14:36:13+00:00

Sylvester

Guest


Sorry abnutta, I was comparing Cullen and Dagg. Nepia remains a legend. In saying that, it can be difficult to compare such different eras.

AUTHOR

2012-08-24T14:29:02+00:00

abnutta

Roar Guru


good to meet you too Brett. Saw you on TV at the press conference :) I'm actually heading back to the Harlequinn this Saturday to watch the Eden Park test. I'm gonna join the supporters club whilst there. Spoke to the President and former president last week and they urged me to come back. Might apply for a "resident AB rugby-historian" position if they need one ;)

AUTHOR

2012-08-24T14:24:39+00:00

abnutta

Roar Guru


Yeah I've seen that package. I saw every test Cullen ever played... nothing I saw of him compares to what I've read and the stories I've heard first-hand of people who saw both he and Nepia play. Sir Terry McLean saw Cullen's career in it's entirety and also that of Nepia - McLean chooses Nepia as his fullback. So do I. I was last in New Zealand in 2005 and was speaking to an elderly relative of mine at Kahuranaki near Hastings. He was in no doubt that Nepia was better than Cullen... as a fullback. As an attacker yes they're probably not in the same league - even I'll admit that.

AUTHOR

2012-08-24T14:18:14+00:00

abnutta

Roar Guru


sheek, have to disagree re: Cullen's defence. He was very rarely found wanting in the tackle and used his speed to his advantage in covering. I refer you to the first test v SAF at Johannesburg in 1997. Springboks make a searing break and the ball carrier has players either side in support. He feints left and right, sidesteps, tries to take Cullen on and gets nailed.

2012-08-24T11:36:51+00:00

Sylvester

Guest


Not much need to kick Sheek when you can score tries from within you're own goal area. Cullen was never a poor defender, if so, why would have he been played at centre? Regardless, that much attacking brilliance outweighs any deficiencies in my mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf9Elzj7ZPU

2012-08-24T11:30:02+00:00

Sylvester

Guest


Cullen was a freak. Dagg is good, but not that good. His main weakness is option-taking when he makes a break. Sort that and he's the full package. I urge everyone to You Tube the package of Cullen's test tries in order.

2012-08-24T10:44:55+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Justin, I can agree that Cullen was the most brilliant attacking or running fullback in the game. However, from memory, he had an average kicking game, his defence was just okay, & he could be caught out of position. Dagg is close to Cullen in his attacking game, but I would suggest other aspects of his game are better. Which means that overall, Dagg gets the cigar. I understand your argument, & I do it myself with many players - Ella or Lynagh or Larkham (3 different types); Loane or Tuynman or Kefu (again, 3 different types) & so on. At the end of the day, it can be very subjective.

2012-08-24T09:14:39+00:00

Justin2

Guest


Impossible to be better than Cullen on what we have seen so far... May have a better all round skill set but performance wise it's a no contest on any full back I have seen in 30 plus years. Cullen a freak. Dagg may get the he may not...

2012-08-24T08:58:26+00:00

DC of nz

Guest


Yep very excited about Dagg what a step and boot and skill set. I was at the Sydney game and saw him tear around from behind the scrum to take the DC pass ... He is very fast .. Humble and funny kid too.

2012-08-24T08:47:30+00:00

Jerry

Guest


Have you got access to the changing rooms mania?

2012-08-24T08:43:21+00:00

Jerry

Guest


Next you'll be telling me Suzy doesn't exist. My favourite Athletic Park wind moment was Jon Preston putting in a clearing box kick from a 5m defensive scrum. It went about 30m on the fly then rolled. And rolled. And kept rolling till it went dead at the other end of the pitch. Meaning he conceded an attacking 5m scrum for kicking the ball dead.

2012-08-24T08:02:18+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Gidday abnutta, I was wondering when you were going to make your foray back into roar - & here you are! NZ have had an unbelievable array of brilliant fullbacks. Flankers & fullbacks - both Kiwi specialties. Of course, Wallace, Nepia, Scott & Clarke were all before my time. But I think Israel Dagg might well be the best ABs fullback I've seen since the late 60s. Better than Cullen & Muliana. On another note, there was a digression with all this talk about the longest penalty kick. I think it's time to draw a line on penalty kicks at goal beyond halfway. 50 metres limit, & that's it. Same with drop goals. Nothing beyond the 50 metres. If people have a problem with that, I suggest your team finds another way to score points ..... like scoring tries. ;-) :-) ;-)

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