Underwood Stakes day: tips and preview

By Cameron Rose / Expert

Tomorrow sees the first group one in Melbourne for the Spring, the time-honoured Underwood Stakes, and history says there’s a good chance the Caulfield Cup and/or Cox Plate winner will be racing in the 1800m Caulfield feature.

We’re also lucky enough to have racing at the highest level in a second state, with Sydney producing the running of the George Main Stakes over one of the most famous courses in the world – the 1600m at Royal Randwick.

Last week we were able to find the winner of the Dato Tan Chin Nam in Happy Trails at $6, and our top selection in the Golden Rose, Albrecht, ran a head second at the $10 mark.

Underwood Stakes

The Underwood normally assembles one of the strongest weight-for-age (WFA) fields of the spring, and while there may not be the depth over nine furlongs in this edition, it does contain a powerful top end.

Manighar and Southern Speed resume hostilities after providing a line-ball quinella in the Makybe Diva (nee Craiglee) Stakes.

It has been well documented how Peter Moody has been able to inject some speed into the legs of the former international and, as the best credentialed WFA horse in the race after a sizzling 2012, he’s the punters’ elect, having been spectacularly backed from an opening quote of $3.40 into $2.40 with Tab Sportsbet.

The South Australian mare is having the fourth run of her campaign, and she ran second under those circumstances in this race last year. She continues to prove her quality with every outing and will be looking to get the best of Manighar two starts in a row.

Sincero brings his winning Memsie Stakes form into the race, with connections pleased to see those that finished behind him that day providing the trifecta in last week’s Dato Tan Chin Nam Stakes at Moonee Valley. While not convincing as a WFA horse last Spring, he’s come back stronger and has the best finishing sprint of the contenders.

Ocean Park has arrived from New Zealand, after dramatically winning the group one Mafki Challenge over 1400m. He fits the profile of last year’s Underwood winner, the ill-fated Lion Tamer, as a four year old from across the Tasman coming out of the same race. I’m not convinced about the form around him just yet, but he deserves to be in the mix.

While these four will be favoured to fight out the finish, three of the last five winners have saluted at double figure odds, so a few runners might spring a surprise.

Voila Ici, who may get a soft time of it up near the lead and give them something to catch, Mawingo, who we can forget ran around at Flemington and had beaten Manighar the previous time they met, and of course December Draw, who does have superstar quality and will have arguably have derived the most benefit from any runner in the Makybe Diva.

The rest have got enough against them to suggest they won’t be furnishing the winners stall come race end.

I’m not keen to get terribly involved from a betting perspective here. With the trio of favourites all drawing wide gates, it won’t surprise to see one of them posted three-wide the trip, but which one?

Manighar probably has to go on top, but he’s rock bottom odds for mine. I can see Sincero pinging to the front in the straight and looking the winner at some stage if he can get the right run from the barrier, and Southern Speed has to be around the mark as the honest mare she is. Even Moody’s second-stringers can’t be underestimated, and Voila Ici can be closer than many expect.

Selections: 1. Manighar 2. Sincero 3. Southern Speed 4. Voila Ici

Each-way All Day

Like a lot of punters, I’ve been waiting for Lamasery to find his right race after huge first and second-up runs in the Warwick Stakes and the Chelmsford respectively, and he appears to have found it in the Hill Stakes over 2000m at Randwick tomorrow.

The spruik on him is huge in this event, and you’ll see Lamasery tipped at the expense of all others from Sydney to Slovakia, from Kensington to Kazakhstan. However, there might be more to this race than a simple ‘put in, take out’ job.

It seems that most haven’t bothered to assess the opposition carefully in their haste to back David Vandyke’s galloper into $2.90, and while I concede that he’s the one to beat, regular readers will know that I’m all about value, and I think there’s some to be found elsewhere in the race.

There are not many tougher horses around than Mourayan, from the flying Lloyd Williams/Robert Hickmott stable, and the evidence was on display first up in the Makybe Diva Stakes. He was posted out on a limb for the entire race and refused to go away in the straight, beaten only two and a half lengths behind two pretty handy horses that were mentioned above in the Underwood preview, Manighar and Southern Speed.

This is a horse whose resume boasts a second in the Mackinnon last time he raced over this distance, and has a second in a BMW and Metropolitan, as well as a third, beaten less than a length, behind Americain and Manighar in a Zipping Classic.

He’s produced some big second-up runs under huge weight since arriving at Macedon Lodge, and he’ll be going forward with ease from barrier nine to either lead or tack on behind Ginga Dude and Midas Touch, neither of which will prove difficult to pass.

Lamasery will be standing Mourayan two or three lengths at least when they straighten for the run to the post, and with the former drawing barrier one, favourite backers might be sweating on a run for longer than they’d like.

Meanwhile, Mourayan may well be off and gone, and he’s a tough horse to get past when not tackling the absolute elite. I’d rather take $7 on him than sub-$3 on Lamasery under the conditions of this race, and the beauty of backing the former is that we’ll make a profit even if he runs second or third, which is a stone cold guarantee.

Rose’s Roughie

If you’re ever going to look for value in a race, it has to be a 1200m mares sprint at Caulfield late in the day. Such races are famous for kicking punters out of a quaddie after they’re alive going into the last leg, and I think we’ve got one tomorrow we can throw in, and maybe write an each-way ticket at $18 or more.

Gossip Girl is a lightly raced six year old in career best form. She’s only tackled black-type races twice in her career – both this preparation, both over this distance and, crucially, both against the boys. Remember, she only faces her own sex this week.

In the first, the listed All Victorian Sprint at Flemington, she was beaten 0.2 lengths into second behind Ready to Rip, which then went on to win the Bletchingly and run third in the Liston.

In the other, which was her last start, the group three WFA Spring Stakes at Morphettville, she was beaten 0.2 lengths again, and split a couple of horses you may have heard of, Happy Trails and Southern Speed, both of which have since won the best WFA races in the state.

Gossip Girl will either lead or sit just behind Classy Chloe in the run, and she’ll give them something to catch in the run to the line. That’s the sort of roughie I like to be on.

In other races through the day, keep an eye on Formidable in race three at Caulfield, Speediness in the Bill Ritchie at Randwick, and as for the George Main, it’s too tough for me. Like most, I’ll be looking very closely at All Too Hard to see how he measures up against some of the toughest older horses in the land.

The Crowd Says:

2012-09-23T22:22:00+00:00

PhilM

Roar Rookie


Thanks for the e/w tip on Mourayan! close call - good bet in the end

2012-09-22T03:45:31+00:00

Bondy.

Guest


Lamesary's not a bad horse although you've put forward a case for Mourayan,I think December Draw is avery solid e =way thing. Good read mate.

AUTHOR

2012-09-21T20:51:57+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


Very tough little race that sprint, Shooter, which is great for value. I'm completely ignoring Hot Spin's runs on the wet tracks, but I probably leant towards his stablemate Utah Saints, assuming Chris Symons had the choice, but I wouldn't talk anyone out of backing Hot Spin. Another honest horse in a racecard full of them!!

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2012-09-21T20:48:34+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


Looks like we might have locked onto a winning formula Justin, or let's hope so anyway! Mourayan really does appear to tick every box from an each-way perspective. Manighar was disappointing at face value second-up in the Autumn behind Lucas Cranach, but it was one of Nolen's poorer rides (I remember it well because I was on), and he was only beaten 1.6, but it does provide a little question mark all the same. She's such a game mare, SS, and it's great to see that she's come on as a five year old. I think we've all noted the potential chinks in Sincero's armour in various comments on this site, but he gets the chance to prove the doubters wrong today. Perhaps not as cut-and-dries as the market suggets, but perhaps it is - we'll know more after the race!! (what a prophet I am) I am warming to ATH the more I think about the race, and it looks like punters around the country agree, backing him into outright or equal favouritism (again!), which actually makes me more nervous than confident. He's hardly been disgraced in his two starts this campaign either, Snitzerland has since won again after defeating him first-up, and he was right with Epaulette last time, and not far from Pierro (he'd probably odds-on if tacking this field). Tempo is again the worry for him, and as Scuba points out, we'll get another line through the Gloaming earlier in the day. Team Hawkes normally have their horses improving well through the campaign, and your point about that bit of freshness in his legs up to the mile could prove the decisive one. Even after all of this, I still don't know!! From an overall perspective, I'll probably be following the Flemington form - Spirit of Boom and Speediness in Sydney out of the Bobbie Lewis, as well as Veewap and Blackie down here, while the Craiglee might provide Mourayan, Shenzou Steeds, and of course Manighar/Southern Speed. In such a tough, competitive day of racing, I can think of worse races to punt on as being the right form, and most of those mentioned will be, like Mourayan, around or above the each-way cut.

2012-09-21T12:19:11+00:00

Sh00ter

Guest


Ditto. Nearly fell off my giant money bag when I saw mourayan's price in syd. Taken the $7 thanks. Hot spin ($21) is a sneaky chance in that Caulfield sprint race too good field. Good punting.

2012-09-21T08:03:35+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


Good preview once again Cam! I'm hoping a little precedent can develop with Mourayan. Last week you made Happy Trails your 'ew all day' and I agreed and he won and I'm with you again with Mourayan. WFA scale suits him immensely. As a placegetter in a BMW and Mackinnon, he's better than this field and at the price we can play eachway which seems a bit of a luxury. I like SS in the Underwood. She's fourth up v Manighar second up (with a bit of a funny record second-up) and correctly identified 'rock-bottom odds'. Sincero is a Q at the distance for mine but obvious spoiler. And I'm with ATH in the George Main. The Randwick meeting looks a real treat but the G1 is a cracker. In saying that, this is winnable for ATH - Rangi might need the run, Danleigh has a hopeless record at a horses-for-courses t&d like the Randwick mile and Secret Admirer doesn't often win (ableit loves the Randwick mile). I love how the Hawkes the have prepared ATH for this - 1200 to 1600 on a three-week break - he could fly fresh. We know he's got a turn of foot, Randwick is a nice big track and with 'nothing' on his back we could see a bit of Feb-March ATH which should be exciting. Of course, there's no gaurantee he runs well but my gut says 'yes'.

2012-09-21T02:11:17+00:00

Scuba

Guest


If you like ATH in the George Main (which I don't) you should be loading up on Ninth Legion in the Gloaming to get yourself a bank. If Ninth Legion (who has finished next to ATH at both runs this time in) can't win the Gloaming, I'd be even more reluctant to touch ATH.

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2012-09-21T02:03:42+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


G'day Travis, I can't get my head around this race for most of the reasons you point out, and I especially don't know what to make of ATH. If anything, I tend to agree that because of his X-factor, feather on his back, looking for the mile, he's well worth a bet at the odds. Secret Admirer probably didn't show the acceleration that I expected last time (perhaps due to being trained for longer), and Danleigh just doesn't win two in a row. I've got a feeling that if Rangi is ready, he's over the odds after a huge first up run. Has performed very well second up in the past. Ultimatey, to answer your question, can ATH win? Yes he can. I won't be betting in the race, and will just try to survive that leg of the quaddie.

2012-09-21T01:54:15+00:00

Travis Noonan

Roar Rookie


Good Tips, Couldnt Agree more with all 3 especially the roughie Gossip Girl very well placed in the last. Wanted to know your thoughts on All Too Hard in the George Main Stakes , Many have jumped off im not thoroughly convinced that he is just another exciting 2 year old who just couldnt the handle group class afterwards , I think with 50.5kg and a rider change up to the mile at Randwick he could be great value at around $8. I know the race is full of Seasoned campaigners e.g Rangi, Shoot Out, Danleigh, Yosei, Secret Admirer but Imo none of them are exactly over the line Shoot Out 1st up query?, Rangirangdoo dont no if his best form is now at a mile aging , Danleigh been beating stayers in the Chelmsford Stakes, Secret Admirer being set for a Caulfield Cup, Yosei isnt proven at WFA , Somepin Anypin bit the same, Quintessential probably cant win lacks the turn of foot for a mile. Now i know All Too Hard has been Utterly Disapointing lately but I think ridden a bit closer and up to the Mile we could see the Horse that could still be a Cox Plate winner. As you can see I am overly confident that he will Just win , plus 3 year old's in WFA races in early spring in Sydney isnt something were not used to e.g Trusting-Warwick Stakes 2009, Viscount-George Main 2001 and last year Strike The Stares-3rd Chelmsford Stakes. Long paragraph but I would really like to know your thoughts as to if you can win and why? or why not? Cheers, Cam

2012-09-21T01:32:47+00:00

Rob

Guest


Good article, like Sincero in the Underwood tomorrow, could be the next WFA star in Aus. Nice work with Happy Trails last week, what a buy he was!

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2012-09-21T00:38:07+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


They certainly don't shy away from the big assignments with her, that's for sure. She either carries huge weight when down in grade, or she's forced to take on the best at WFA. One thing we do know about Yosei - she's generally going better than her form looks on paper.

2012-09-21T00:31:41+00:00

Crills

Guest


Good summation, mate. Have not had a good, thorough look yet but I reckon your lady friend, Yosei is a sneaky EW chance tomorrow in the George Main. Granted it is a crack field but I saw a replay of her run in the Doncaster where she was only a length behind More Joyous and that was her last start at this distance. You know as well as anyone that she bobs up at a price so maybe tomorrow might be her day!

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