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Cameron Rose

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I've never heard a conversation about footy or cricket that I haven't wanted to join in immediately. If you disagree with me, you'll be made to work very hard to change my mind!

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Nice line, but I’m going on his Turnbull run as much as anything. That was a great Melbourne Cup trial, and is advantaged at the weights from that.

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Well put!

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There’s some definite romance attached to POA, and eerie similarities with Michelle Payne on POP.

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Yep, it’s that kind of race.

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Risking the internationals. Perhaps the really firm deck counts against them, but does it also count against RC and VE…

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Last year, I did say Vow and Declare was one of my two best winning chances!

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Hard to deny.

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Master of Reality, Twilight Payment, Warning can have a good case made for them at that price range.

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Good collection Rob, all with a huge chance.

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Interesting point of view, and I’m sure there is something to it. For whatever reason, Cameron has never been able to get away from the idea that talent got them up there, and his lack of imagination or inability to keep them to a coherent gameplan has pulled them back.

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Thanks Angela, and back at your for your commentary.

Fagan is doing amazing things up at Brisbane. The love, belief and enthusiasm he and his players have for each other is evident.

Agree with your comments about Leon Cameron, particularly in relation to the other coaches. Clarkson and Hardwick have been condemned by media at times for sticking up for their players in tough times.

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Maybe not frustrated anymore Neil, because that’s just the way it is, but you’d love to see some far deeper analysis than they usually provide.

Particularly on the Herald-Sun you read what they call analysis, and some of it is okay, but you are sort of left with a “Really? That’s it?” feeling afterwards. It’s just so surface level as to almost be pointless.

Thought this from Mick Gleeson over the weekend was as good as you get these days: https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/end-of-an-era-worsfold-s-time-in-the-hot-seat-at-essendon-20200918-p55wva.html

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Sep

Adelaide were most definitely broken.

Fremantle and St Kilda both fell away after sustained climbs under Ross Lyon, and suffered a natural regression as their best senior core aged past their prime.

North was permanently middle of the road, never rising high enough to drop far enough to break.

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Cracking line about the 5km radius. Genuine 😂

I think most teams that have as much talent do sustain success for a long period, and I recall seeing somewhere the Giants were the only team to play finals in all of 2016-2019. It’s a worthy enough achievement. But you don’t want the first year to be the peak, which it was for mine. They were a better side then than in 2019, in several ways.

It’s a good point about other clubs paying overs to get players out of GWS, and you’re right, it always seems to be Vic clubs. They think they are getting a superstar, rather than just a good or very good player.

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Thanks Dexter. I’ve really like the Suns under Dew, very organised for the most part. Rowell clearly the x factor from this point on.

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Missed you too Paul, just in time for our two teams to clash in week one of finals yet again…

It’s a great call on the two year contracts thing, it did betray a type of mindset at the time didn’t in. Then there was a slew of long term contracts going the other way, forcing the club to pay big contracts that may have squeezed others out. A most difficult balancing act, that maybe club could have succeeded at.

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Sep

Thanks Peter. A pretty scathing set of comments yourself!

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Sep

Ha, thanks Dingo.

Any individual player can be covered easily enough, no matter how good. Ablett leaving Geelong, Buddy leaving Hawthorn, Richmond losing Rance, etc. All teams went on to win a flag. But when it seems like every third player has one eye on the door, it seems like a bigger problem.

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Sep

Thanks AD.

A lot of that was assumed, by all of us, without factoring in the intangible and psychological factors. GWS made a better fist of it than Gold Coast did, mechanically speaking, but neither has delivered on the talent they had access to, and the resulting benefits from trading that talent.

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Sep

Outstanding work here. 😂

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It was my first car Marty, I loved that thing!

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Sep

Yeah, very plausible. It could well be that most coaches would fail to connect or bring together such a playing group. It could also well just be the seven year itch that Geelong/Thompson and Richmond/Hardwick went through. Parallels with both clubs also relate to playing style, a lot more vibrant in years 3-4, then gradually became more stodgy, until the shackles were released again in year eight. Will Leon find that way?

Agree on your last paragraph completely. The enormity of the task can’t be overstated, but because it’s so intangible, it’s hard to analyze.

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Sep

All good points, and largely hard to argue with. I particularly like the last couple of sentences. I don’t think you’ll be alone in your schadenfreude.

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I said 180B rather than 120Y! But then, the former was my first car, so I like it as a go-to!

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Sep

Very kind all, thank-you.

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