The real McCaw and his Deans dilemma

By Spiro Zavos / Expert

Here’s an email I received last weekend before the All Blacks’ remarkable victory (they received no penalties until the 55th minute) against the Springboks at Soweto.

“Have you ever seen a better player than Richie McCaw? What an absolute icon of the game. Will we ever see someone that good again?”

That victory in South Africa by the All Blacks represented 100 Test victories in the black jersey by McCaw in 112 Tests.

I believe this number of Test victories and the ratio between wins and losses is unlikely ever to be replicated or bettered, even by someone like Dan Carter, the New Zealand’s back equivalent of McCaw in the forwards.

So far only 21 players in the history of rugby have managed playing 100 Tests and none of them have come close to McCaw’s incredible win-loss ratio.

Kieran Read, the next all-time All Black great in the making, has played around 40 or so Tests. It’s hard to see him going on to about 130 Tests which McCaw will probably achieve by the end of his career.

Colin Meads was voted New Zealand’s greatest rugby player of the 20th century. This title will stand for him as long as the All Blacks are remembered. He was a colossus as a player. For Australians there will always be the ignominy of his brutal destruction of Ken Catchpole, yanking his leg out of a ruck so brutally that Catchpole’s cry of pain could heard all around the SCG.

Off the field Meads is a charming man. On the field he was robust bordering on thuggish, which fitted in with the template of the rugby in the 1960s and 1970s where the enforcers got their retaliation in first. But aside from this, Meads was a tremendous runner with the ball, rather in the manner of the rugby league great Bob McCarthy. He was incredibly strong in the lineouts, scrums and mauls. He was tireless. Like McCaw (and Eales), he never played a bad game. He was always great. He was a match-winner and the right choice of the All Black of the 20th century.

It is early days in the 21st century. But even now it is unlikely that any future All Black will achieve on the field what McCaw already has achieved. There are seven Super Rugby titles (and counting), numerous Tri Nations victories, now The Rugby Championship 2012, two Grand Slam tours of the UK and the 2011 Rugby World Cup, together with a win-loss ratio that is so weighted to victories that it unlikely to be bettered at the Test level of the game.

And like John Eales (and unlike Meads) McCaw has achieved all this in rugby without once being accused of dirty play. And this despite the fact that he has been the target for innumerable cheap shots (as was Eales) which he answered in the best possible way by playing even better than the high level he was already playing at.

Take the incident of the eye-gouging by Rougerie in the last few minutes of the RWC 2011 final. This was a deliberate and tactical and cynical attempt to provoke McCaw to flay away and concede a penalty. Or if he kept his head, to blind him so that from the ensuing scrum he’d make a mistake, being blinded, and give away a penalty.

McCaw took some minutes to recover from the eye-gouging. He shook his head gingerly as he staggered to his feet. Took his place on the side of the scrum and played as forcefully and as accurately as he had throughout the final to see off the French challenge.

In his rugbiography, which was written with Greg McGee, a former All Black trialist (also a loose forward) and the author of a classic play about NZ rugby ‘Foreskin’s Lament,’ McCaw recounts how bitter he was about Quade Cooper’s deliberate kneeing of him after a ruck during a Test at Brisbane. He says the next time he got the ball he ran at Cooper to smash him rather than passing which was the better option.

‘I was disappointed in myself in doing that, letting it get personal,’ he writes.

The interesting and important aspect about this comment is that he never considered belting Cooper, which is an illegal play. But he did attempt to legally smash him which was the wrong play at the time, a consideration he immediately acknowledged to himself.

His comments on Robbie Deans as a coach have rightly been given a great deal of coverage in the Australian media. And on The Roar yesterday it provoked an interesting and informed discussion.

In summary, McCaw says he supported Graham Henry being re-appointed the All Blacks coach after the debacle of the 2007 RWC tournament because Henry was part of a package (with Wayne Smith and Steve Hansen) whereas Robbie Deans did not offer any assistant coaches in his presentation to the NZRU.

He also made the point: ‘Robbie doesn’t appear to want to be challenged by his assistants and won’t allow the kind of full-on debate that Ted encourages with Smith and Hansen.’

There is less to this, as a condemnation of Deans, than meets the eye on the written page.

I know quite a bit about the NZRU’s process of selecting an All Blacks’ coach following the debacle of the 2007 RWC tournament in which the All Blacks, for the first time ever, did not make the semi-finals. My knowledge comes from NZRU officials among other insider contacts.

The selection process was deliberately contorted by the NZRU’s chief executive Steve Tew to ensure that Deans, the obvious choice for the job given his super Super Rugby record, would NOT get the job.

Tew had a personal animosity to Deans that had its origins in the early days of the Canterbury Crusaders when Deans and Tew worked together on the franchise.

The brief the presumptive coaches were given expressly required them to offer themselves as candidates for the job. There was no requirement asked for about who the assistants might be. Deans presented exactly as he was required to do and then found in the meeting that most of the questions were about his possible coaching staff.

Moreover, Tew insisted the full board hear the presentations rather than the usual procedure of a committee of officials who had actual rugby playing experience at the highest levels.

The reason why this was such a crucial change of procedure was that the board would have been obliged to resign if Deans was appointed. The board had appointed Henry four years earlier. They had agreed to his every request, including taking players out of the 2011 Super Rugby tournament for 7 weeks to make super-athletes out of them.

This ploy failed. The integrity of the Super Rugby tournament was compromised with the long absence of the leading All Blacks from it. Moreover, in the 2007 RWC tournament itself, the All Blacks suffered a series of damaging injuries. McCaw has also revealed that the reason why the easy option of field goal attempts was botched in the quarter-final against France was because the All Blacks didn’t have a field goal option in the game plan.

The board had committed itself to Henry. If another coach was appointed, it meant that Henry had failed. And if it was officially accepted that Henry had failed, then the NZRU board which appointed and supported him, had also failed.

Moreover, Deans had a record that was so outstanding (four Super Rugby tournament victories at the time and an 86 per cent record with the All Blacks as an assistant coach with John Mitchell) he was the obvious choice to take over the All Blacks. This was not a similar case with England when a Clive Woodward was re-appointed after a failed 1999 RWC campaign, or Deans and the ARU before the 2011 RWC.

And Richie McCaw and his support for Henry? McCaw told Tew he’d be happy to play with either candidate (this means an acceptance of Deans) but his preference was Henry. Was there an element of the realpolitik in this answer. A new coach (Deans) would have possibly meant a clean sweep of the then All Blacks playing list and, in all probability, a new captain given McCaw’s self-acknowledged inept tactical response on the field to France’s tactics in the quarter-final debacle in RWC 2007.

Never overlook self-interest, even in the most admirable of players.

Henry, of course, justified the faith of the NZRU by getting the All Blacks up to win the 2011 RWC tournament. But, in my opinion, Deans would have achieved this with an even better record than that racked up by Henry. This is a hypothetical consideration, of course.

But it needs to be remembered that the last time the Crusaders won the Super Rugby tournament was in Deans’ last year with them in 2008. The rump of that Crusaders side, under Henry, performed relatively poorly in 2008 and 2009 for the All Blacks.

One of the reasons for this is that Henry continually rotated players, as if he couldn’t make up his mind who his best performers were. It is interesting to note in this context that McCaw believes that the current All Blacks, the squad of 2012, is the best he’s ever played for or captained.

And a main reason for this claim? No rotation.

Steve Hansen and Grant Fox (a selector but not a coach) are very clear who their best players are and they play them whenever possible. The term ‘best’ needs some amplification.

There is a shrewd horses for courses policy being used. At Soweto, a cauldron of antagonism against the All Blacks, the best New Zealand second-rowers were the two biggest All Blacks locks.

The tough hooker Andrew Hore was given the run-on jersey at hooker. And Hosea Gear, who is older, more experienced and stronger, was preferred on the wing to the much younger and less experienced Julian Savea.

Henry’s selection methods have been described in the NZ media as ‘random, obsessive, rotation policies’ as opposed to Hansen’s ‘consistency of selection.’

Deans has been accused of being a ‘fiddler’ when it comes to selection.

But this is unfair and misleading. When you have something like 24 possible contenders for a Wallaby jersey out, a fair amount of fiddling the books is required to get a competitive team on the books.

The fact is that Deans has an incredibly sharp eye for talent. He is a very good selector. He promoted Dan Carter in the Crusaders ahead of a then current All Black, Andrew Mehrtens. Kieran Read was promoted into the Crusaders quickly and despite his obvious talents Henry was slow to bring him into the All Blacks.

It was the Mitchell-Deans coaching duo that promoted Richie McCaw in 2002 to the All Blacks, despite the fact that he had spent the grand total of 8 minutes as a Super Rugby player for Deans’ Crusaders. The incumbent number 7 Josh Kronfield reckoned McCaw’s selection was one of the worst selections ever made for the All Blacks!

McCaw started for the All Blacks against Ireland at Landsdowne Road. At half-time, the All Blacks were well behind. But they stormed back in the second half, as they did at Soweto, to smash Ireland convincingly. The man of the match at Dublin? Richie McCaw.

The story of the real McCaw and Deans, in my opinion, is that of the sorcerer’s apprentice trumping his former master by using the insights and wisdom gained from him in his training days.

 

 

 

The Crowd Says:

2012-10-15T02:12:40+00:00

Red Kev

Guest


I think we have a winner! I saw his kit on The Rugby Club and assumed he'd given up rugby, moved back to Sydney and was auditioning for The Shire.

2012-10-15T02:03:17+00:00

Wal

Roar Guru


I'll raise you all a James O'Connor with a quiff hair cut and Maroon suit

2012-10-13T15:25:44+00:00

Ben.S

Roar Guru


Quinnell was awesome, especially given he was playing on one leg. One of my favourite players of all time. He was badly misused by Henry in the Tests. There was some great forwards in that pack: Smith, Wood, Johnson, Grewcock, Hill and Quinnell... Who took out Larkham? I don't recall anything about that?

2012-10-12T14:38:59+00:00

abnutta

Roar Guru


Here's my alltime Wallaby XV just for good measure, 15. Matthew Burke (marginally ahead of Alec Ross) 14. Dally Messenger 13. Trevor Allan 12. Cyril Towers 11. David Campese 10 Mark Ella 9. Ken Catchpole 8. Mark Loane 7. Col Windon 6. Aub Hodgson 5. John Eales 4. John Thornett 3. Bill Cerutti 2. Phil Kearns 1. Jon White

2012-10-12T10:38:28+00:00

Sylvester

Guest


"If you look at the Deans and Mitchell tenure there was a lot of flogging of weaker NH teams and second tier nations and a lot of struggling against the three sides who made up the other WC semi-finalists." The first part is the usual MO for most ABs coaches, but I'm not sure the second part is that fair. They did lose twice to the Aus in 2001, but then came back to win the '02 and '03 3N (dropping just one game). They also won back the Bledisloe in 03. Also lost in '03 to eventual world cup winners England by two points. Is that by definition a struggle? I think Tana maybe should have played too, but my point is that's it's no so clear cut when he's played virtually no rugby in the tournament and you're not convinced he's fully recovered. As Richie proved, players aren't always as up front about their injuries, especially when they're desperate to play. They probably would have rushed Dan Carter back, but Henry remember also copped it in '07 for playing Carter when he wasn't fully fit. "When has he had the luxury of fielding the same side in a 12 team tournament?" I'm not sure if this is a trick question given Blackader has only coached Super 14/15. Barring injury, he's only had to rest the likes of Carter, McCaw, Read, Thorn, Franks intermittently and in the games he thinks he can cover them. He does rotate the squad, which all coaches have to do in the expanded Super comp.

2012-10-12T05:40:23+00:00

ohtani's jacket

Guest


If you look at the Deans and Mitchell tenure there was a lot of flogging of weaker NH teams and second tier nations and a lot of struggling against the three sides who made up the other WC semi-finalists. It was not as good an All Blacks side as their record suggests and struggled from the outset at the Cup. Tana should have played. Do you think Henry would have hesitated to rush Carter back into a knock-out match last year? Given the alternative centre pairing for that semi, Tana should have played. The thing about Deans and that World Cup is that he claimed like Henry in 2007 that it would be won with running rugby but wasn't held to his word like Henry. Blackadder has had more disruptions than that. When has he had the luxury of fielding the same side in a 12 team tournament?

2012-10-12T03:11:21+00:00

Chivas

Guest


Thanks, that is funny!

2012-10-12T03:04:08+00:00

jeremy

Guest


Here's an insight into how Hansen, Smith and Henry fitted together. Miles of difference between them and Deans. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt4YlFvHryQ&feature=relmfu

2012-10-12T01:16:58+00:00

Sage

Guest


I haven't been railing against those who think Robbie is still the man. I made the comment recently to you because I felt you were being so to people who thought his time was over. We then had our little debate which I quite enjoyed. Trust you did too. You seem to be more middle of the road now which is why I asked why so vehement only a matter of days ago. Perhaps beligerent was too strong. At least you avoided "mmm beligerent, a word you would do well to consider" ;) As to starting the process for a new coach, one can only hope Mike.

2012-10-12T00:36:55+00:00

stillmatic1

Guest


damn you soapit. i was holding onto the notion that you lot have no idea at all about rugby and are here to be educated in the ways of the "real" rugby!! the extremes make life fun, although sheek ruins it all for us.........

2012-10-12T00:11:34+00:00

Chivas

Guest


Wasn't talking about his age, was talking about what he was doing in full view. Everyone had been sitting up watching for a while. Jonah was 18 wasn't he when they first dropped him in, so rollIng numbers out just looks like you are ignoring the context I said it in and it is an era you have only read about. And you are right he didn't wait seasons. My point was he exploded on the scene. Do you remember watch Jones in his first games for Auckland NPC? I do clearly, i'm not even from Auckland, but i just wanted to see them to watch Michael Jones. He destroyed teams week in week out. I never saw him play an average game. The AB loose forward trio was young and starting to establish a name. How could they leave this freak out. Buck Shelford was no. 8, no way could they drop him, his brother Frank was on the open and was playing great football... maybe he has to go... far out. And they did, Frank Shelford got dropped straight out and MJ straight in. Then consider there is a saying... It's harder to get out than get in to the All Blacks. Cullen made a similar impression... Not quite as devastating as MJ, but someone who couldn't be ignored. Have no idea why rolling out that he played for Manawatu has any relevance, except to prove you can respout what you read. Just so you know, Manawatu rugby was getting airplay too, and so were the tries and freaky things he was doing. And that was in a time we didn't have fox/sky. Please if you want to comment. Don't just get some data together and throw it on a page. Actually think about what it is that is said and respond with relevant points. And your lead on comment was... just some of the other wasn't. Certainly not in the context of my comment. That's what I was comparing to!

2012-10-11T23:54:01+00:00

Chivas

Guest


Wasn't talking about his age, was talking about what he was doing in full view. Everyone had been sitting up watching for a while. Jonah was 18 wasn't he when they first dropped him in, so roll I was relating to what I saw and thought, not the statistics. Do they tell how much media coverage he was getting, how much the man in the street was talking about him. And you are right he didn't wait seasons. My point was he exploded on the scene. Do you remember watch Jones in his first games for Auckland NPC? That's what I was comparing to!

2012-10-11T22:56:23+00:00

Sylvester

Guest


OJ, On what basis do you say Deans' specific role with All Blacks tenure was not successful? The teams' winning record was very good and the team was travelling well going into the '03 RWC (putting 50 points on both the Boks and Wallablies in the 3N) that year. Also he continues to be the hammered over not playing Umaga in the ill-fated semi. Umaga played 20 min in the Cup before being injured. It was as much a gamble to bring him back for such a big match with no game time, and we'd prob be having this same argument had he played and we'd lost, but was the line being "Can't believe Deans played the injured Umaga"... On Blackadder's tenure at the Crusaders. He's asked to rest players for one-off games throughout the season and mostly in games against lesser-ranked teams. They have their best available team at the business end of the season. It doesn't compare at all to the disruption Deans dealt with in '07.

2012-10-11T22:47:47+00:00

Jerry

Guest


It didn't take that long for Cullen - he played in the 95 HK 7's and was a star but was also a 19 year old playing 2nd division for Manawatu. After he'd shown he could foot it in the first S12 he was straight into the starting lineup for the AB's - he was only 20 years old when he debuted.

2012-10-11T22:40:06+00:00

Sylvester

Guest


Huge Cullen fan, but the reality is that in the seasons leading up the RWC he'd seriously struggled with injury and form. He had a good super season in 03, but it was too little too late. MacDonald was in great form at the time.

2012-10-11T22:25:36+00:00

Dexter William

Roar Guru


Sheek Kudos to your well written "understated" response. I am with you entirely, but just could not articulate as good as you. Cheers

2012-10-11T22:18:29+00:00

Mike

Guest


Good point Jerry, it has been below before - in a period when the ABs have been more dominant over every nation, not just Australia. But regardless, there is very little difference in the stats for our most recent 3 Australian coaches. As the reality of professionalism has started to bite, Australia has never looked like challenging for the No 1 position. We need to rethink our whole approach.

2012-10-11T22:05:40+00:00

Mike

Guest


I doubt that any coach can do much better, unless other things are also changed. We have to learn to manage injuries and fitness better from club through to test level, and we need a better 3rd tier system to ensure that there are enough players to fill out the five S15 sides. And we have to lift our standard of S15 - with our teams mostly finishing in the bottom half of the ladder each year, it doesn't augur well for test success. If it was me making the selection, I would be biased towards choosing someone who has direct experience of S15, because its right up there in terms of intense 2nd tier comps at present, and you get a close-up view of the potential players available to ABs and Bokke. And I would want someone steady, fairly intense, with broad experience like coaching o/s. Link and Jake White would both fit that bill, but I expect there are others And in interviews I would want to be sure that they are taking the magnitude of the task seriously, not just assuming they are going to waltz in and be the messiah. Success in one arena doesn't guarantee success in another, as Rod Macqueen and Graham Henry have shown (and I write that with genuine respect and sympathy for both).

2012-10-11T22:03:53+00:00

Dexter William

Roar Guru


"Is it not the same situation somewhat that the ARU can’t sack deans now or they would have to sack the mselves? I call BS on that whole theory." Gold Mate.

2012-10-11T21:48:18+00:00

Mike

Guest


We will have to agree to disagree on who has been "beligerent" to whom, also as to who believes its a panacea and who doesn't. Robbie has just over 12 months to run on his contract - do we know if they have started the selection process for the new coach yet? I assume it would start with low-key enquiries as to who is available and who isn't.

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