Pull your head in Kurtley and remember where you came from

Actually Joeys offers very little scholarships, especially in comparison to other private schools. Only one boy in the current first XV is on a scholarship, for mathematics. Beale was on a scholarship from year 7 as part of the Aboriginal program, of which there are many other boys who don't play rugby. Please don't just throw out accusations like that which are unfounded. I totally agree that the practice of offering scholarships to promising athletes dilutes the talent pool in NSW, but as far as I can see, Joeys doesn't take part in it.

Joeys also has the luxury of being a school with alot of money and they give scholarships to the most promising kids in the state. If you take most of the talent pool then it is no wonder you are producing stars and winning GPS matches. Most other schools can't afford to throw that same amount of money in.

Dan, I've done extensive research. I'm as aware as most about public funds going to private schools. These funds are not stolen!!! Those with the necessary broad objective vision know why this occurs and this is not the forum for such discussion. Even the current Government with their limited fiscal ability see the requirement!! My main point was the GPS system is NOT there to develop future Wallabies. They are a by-product of the excellent training and facilities provided. I would argue the real development into Wallaby contention occurs at Premier and Super XV. That's not to say that schoolboys with potential are not provided opportunities by GPS schools. This does not occur just in rugby, of course. Notwithstanding the above, I would be delighted to see more State High Schools introduce rugby into their curriculums on a Saturday. What a plethora of talent could then be identified with the ensuing flow on effects to Grade, Super, National levels...and perhaps the crime rate.

Cattledog I agreed with alot of what you had to say up until that point. You are naive to think that the fiscal benefits received by private schools from public funding is way more than what should be given granted the extravagant fees paid by parents. There is definitely a valid point in there just do a little bit of research to broaden your horizons.

Throw in that dumb old 'chestnut' Matthew. That argument's been done and dusted. Stealing public money. Obviously no broad objective vision there! The weight of that forest on your poor hard done by shoulder must be nearly killing you. '...The politics of the rich and privileged'. That comment alone shows how removed you are from reality.

I dunno bout udder schools but I have two sons going to joeys, soon to be three and couldn't be happier with the school. The current deputy headmaster brother anthony is a great bloke and runs a very disciplined school. and Yeah there are some very privileged families go there but there is a lot of working class blue collar people as well including myself who just want a good education for their kids ( sending themselves broke as well). I went to regional high school but joeys is far superior than the public. I think there is more working class there then any other GPS school. Kurtley was part of the aboriginal indigenous program that joeys initiated before any othe r school took on right David?

I wouldn't begrudge The Private Schools giving 'holistic education' to their students if it was their own money they were doing it with but it's not is it? It's PUBLIC MONEY they are stealing from Public Ed while the overwhelming majority of Australia's schoolchildren go without and many have to rely on teachers paying for basic things like books and pencils and lets stop pretending that Rugby isn't about politics it's dripping with it- the politics of the rich and privileged

For everyone bagging our school rugby system, it is so poor that the Aussie schools team has beaten the kiwis twice in the last two attempts in nz. This is quite an extraordinary achievement and shows that the talent is there. There are some amazing chips on shoulders on this thread...

Go to YouTube and type in kurtley beale school highlights.. Note the size of the crowds and tell me rugby is only a small part of the gps system.

I went to a very poor state school in south brisbane and played rugby first in NZ then in AUS from under 10s all the way through into seniors. There are alot of guys like me and I can tell you most of the guys I know who ended up in the reds college were not from GSP schools or privileged backgrounds. That was just from my club I know brothers, souths, jeeps, and easts all have a bit of a different make up. The season had three sections at club level so that in the middle season the gps boys could play for their schools. Rugby in qld is in not just for the wealthy... I dont know how that translates in other states. What makes rugby less accessable for all of australia is the lack of free to air exposure. Worst decision aru has ever made. That is the real reason it is turning into a sport for the elite; because most families cannot afford to watch it.

Another whinging pom with hang-ups! Give me strength! The only "appalling problem" I can see is what is inside your head. The "cliqueness" is definitely madness. Yours!

I'm with you here Hightackle, all this role model talk is rubbish. Beale needs to help himself before anyone else will want to help him. The guy has an attitude first and foremost and needs a reality check not some cotton wool poppy codling

Johnno, I have never read so much dribble, and no I didn't go to a CAS,GPS school. You are systematic of a big problem in this country. It is time you got over it! Stick to Rugby and keep your class politics to yourself.

and with a population less than that of Sydney

The single most astonishing from a sporting perspective when an England rugby fan arrives in Australia is how much the scene here perfectly mirrors the worst insular and old school tie excesses of the 80's scene in the UK. It's a shock. The situation in Australia currently looks most like current day Scotland where rugby union is tightly held in the hands of a clique of men or a certain race, class and age who are singularly unable to see their sport outside of the dangerously insular prism of the private school. Union has an appalling image problem in Australia that the ARU seems quite happy to exist. The sheer number of people across the board I've met who absolutely loathe and despise Union for no other reason than the private school and quasi religious celebration that surrounds it. Going to an Wallabies international in Australia is remarkably less inclusive and more cliquey that an England international game which is frankly madness. This is a huge failure by the ARU. The RFU realised in 2000 that in the professional era that Rupert Jones and his chums is unlikely to win you a world cup. They were proved right. NZ's 100 year dominance of rugby and the fact that it's not an exclusive sport there tells a certain story.

Thanks Johnno..You have now confirmed in my mind that you don't actually have a clue. GPS schools are there to provide boys a holistic education, not pay TV deals for rugby. The fact they provide resources for the sporting endeavors of their boys is part of the holistic education, NOT to provide Wallabies for Australian rugby. That, as I said previously, is a by-product of that resourcing. Rugby is just one of many sports played at GPS and other schools. For my mind, spending the limited funds in upgrading classrooms, science labs etc, providing new facilities as required and maintaining the grounds on which sport is played, maintaining boat sheds and the costly requirements of rowing etc etc are more attuned to an holistic education than sorting pay TV deals for rugby. That, my friend, is a level above GPS competition and I would suggest, not part of their charter. By the way, I see no contradiction in my closing statement and the statement concerning rugby expansion outside of the GPS system. Not sure you grasp what is being conveyed.

Joey's would've won those premierships without him. In '04 they had what was then described as one of the best Joye's forward packs ever. The obsession with the quality of backs in Australia is starting to annoy. Forwards is where it matters. They guarantee you possession, establish position and if they can keep pace better than the other pack, it's game over.

....none of which relates to the start of the discusion which was KB. In summary, can't behave appropriately after a few grogs (which is one of the many definitions of alcoholism), is now serial offender, is unfit, is not/has not been playing well enough to get picked for Wallabies. Should be stood down by Rebels, made to formally apologise to Delve who has been a standout both as a player and an ambassador for Rebels, sent back to grade/park rugby and have a decent mentor attached to him...don't care whom but they have to be tough. If after all of that he starts playing well off the booze, consider allowing him a contract with a S15 franchise. There may be more to this than just a Beale issue. My mail is that there is fairly deep player disenchantment at Rebels. Starts with Phipps non re-signing and some other issues. Management not telling players what is going on, coach not in the loop so telling players opposite story to management, parts of deals being withdrawn from some players and given to others. I feel an implosion coming...Canberra 2011 revisited?

Cattledog "To quote" For the record, I didn’t attend a GPS school but have broad enough vision to see the benefits they have given the rugby fraternity. "Then you say before that" There are certainly many avenues open to expand rugby. However, the answer isn’t with the GPS system and any expansion of it. Let’s be thankful these schools do put part of their resources into making sport a genuine pathway for those so inclined. A bit of a contradiction, and hardly modern yet you say you you have broad enough vision to see the benefits. Your trying to sound out like you are a modern thinker on GPS rugby and schoolboy rugby. I;ll give you modern vision Cattledog , what's needed. Commereicliase GPS rugby - big pay-tv deals commercialise and sponsor it, Mcdonalds GPS rugby comp, with sponsor logos at the grounds. Friday nights lights, tv profiles of the players, heck they do it NZ/South Africa, and rugby league in Australia, lets see you back up your vision statement. Yet you are happy for pay tv and vision type deals done in other avenues of schoolboy rugby, but you think it's right that GPS are old school tie, and live isolation from the Australian sporting landscape, practising there private school old boy faddy duddy traditionalist comps, in private , away from the rest of Sydney, rather than Beefing up and expanding there contribution and maximising there potential of Australian rugby. Your views are exactly why GPS is going backwards, they don;t want to expand and contribute to there maximum potential.' Get the big pay tv deals out i say Cattledog, they had there chance in the 90's and scoffed at it, when an offer was made to them.

You better respect Chuck Norris.