Kurtley Beale again stood down by Rebels

I haven't commented on this site before, although I generally enjoy reading the comments of others. I'm motivated to respond this time because I completely agree with what Chivas has said above. RedKev, whether or not you think Deans is a good coach, he doesn't deserve to be trashed like that in connection with an issue (Beale's welfare) where he has obviously done his best to assist. I appreciate that in a later post you have indicated that your comment on Deans is unrelated to the issue of off-field indiscretions, but it does not read that way.

+1 I think most people would agree with this. If he is an alcoholic, that is a valid point, except the only person who can fix that is Kurtley. I can relate a personal story of a genuine alcoholic. I was a young man flatting. My flatmate left for the weekend and his friend who was an alcoholic rang up and asked to stay. He was in bad shape. If he stopped he would have the dt's so bad he would shake and couldn't hold a plate. I wondered why his parents weren't looking after him, so I went and saw them to ask them. They were good people and when I asked them, they told me the psychologists had told them he had to hit rock bottom. He may not survive but it was the only option. His mum was in tears. Good people who loved their son. They told me by letting him stay would not help the process and I should let him know their was no room at the inn. You can imagine how upsetting this was for them to tell me that about their own son. Consequently I did as they asked. Some time later I saw him as groundsman at the university I attended. He was bright eyed and had begun a better life. He never saw me, but I was pleased he had survived and proud for him. I don't know if Kurtley is an alcoholic. I would suggest not at that level. He is not a grub as some would have him described. He is a human being who is struggling with his responsibilities. However as you pointed out in your post, there is only one person who is responsible for Kurtley's actions and that is Kurtley. I think he is very fortunate that he has support from the Wallabies coach and others at his own club. Ultimately Kurtley is the one who needs to take his responsibility seriously. He only let's himself down. I hope this is just a minor detour and isn't the public collapse and self destructive decline of a talented young man. As you say it's ultimately up to Kurtley to determine his path and with the love and genuine support if others I hope he finds it and it is one which is best for him. I don't know what the solution is or how those in high profile positions should or shouldn't respond. I have enough respect for others that I am confident they will determine that for themselves and make the right decisions based on the facts they have at hand; not based on an opinion based on media reports.

Yes, I agree. What I read here is simply, obviously accurate. We have reached the point where valuable management and coaching time is now being diverted unprofitably to Beale and away from developing the players Australia needs.

Wow - best comment I have read on here in years. I find myself almost descending into the way RK and Jiggles write. Its hard to try and keep an open viewpoint when the blogging forum gets so biased sometimes. Genuinely the site is better for their views, it just sometimes goes over the line like you mentioned

I don't have an issue with people who disagree with Deans. I was responding to a small minded piece of rhetoric that is complete trash. If I go out of my way to support a young man who has made a mistake. How have I let him down. To suggest it is selfishness is a character assassination which treads closely to defamatory. That is what I was responding to. In addition surely my employer would tell me if I had let them down, not some hobo trash talking on a blog site. Finally I don't know all the rugby fans so I wouldn't speak on their behalf. I would agree a high proportion of people who report on this site don't like Deans. But I don't think it is a fair representation of the broader fan base. For the most part fans are followers. Why does Alan Jones have a large following? Hardly because he's right, but he is heard and people leap in to it. I have seen cars with Juli liar as a bumper sticker. Do I think all Australians think like this because I listen to Alan Jones and see done public examples. Why is the roar any different. RK has list sight of the line because it's an opinion site and the only law is the moderator. So screamers get the most attention and their controversial comments get the most hits. Do the comments inform or engage in debate or as interesting questions to get answers. Why it's an opinion site where opinion not fact rules.... and some opinions put up like the one I responded to don't even have a loose connection to reality or facts except in the mind of someone who has no real interest in responsibly representing an opinion which is in any way balanced. But these are just my thoughts too and do not represent anyone but me.

Quite a few years back I met a team official at Sydney Airport on return of Australian Schoolboys team. He told me "watch this young guy,Kurtley Beale" Well we are now all watching KB for all the wrong reasons.

He has been a royal waste of money for the rebels, how many games has he played? Everyone talks about his support in Sydney, well send him back, if he can't control himself like an adult then he should go live with mummy and daddy again.

Sprigs I was referring mainly to your statement of (Funny how we blame the drug users not the drug pushers.). I would categorise this as shifting blame from the drinker to the person who supplied the drink. Now I see where posters are insinuating that Beale might have a problem with alcohol and that we should be sympathetic to him and that he may be an alcoholic. Gee are we not stretching the boundaries here, there is nothing to say that Beale is an alcoholic at all. Just because he is objectionable when he drinks doesn't mean that he is an alco. Over half the population of young blokes get objectionable when they drink thats why we see so much drunken violence in the news. Maybe Beale is just a crap drunk when he is out on the turps. And I don't really care what he is like when out on the turps in his own time and when he is not representing a rugby team. But the fact is that he is representing a rugby team (Rebels and the Wallabies) and there are responsibilities that have to be abided by when he is in this position. Thats why you get paid the big bucks IMO it seems that he believes that he is untouchable at his level and doesn't really think that the rules actually apply to a man of his stature. This is only my personal opinion based on observing him and his misdemeanors over time.

Sprigsy, How come I only see you rear your head on this forum to stir everyone up pretending that Kurtley is a victim. The guy is taking home ~ $1,000,000.00 a year from his club and the ARU and he can't even behave himself 'at work' or 'in public'. If he's at risk with Alcohol then he should remove himself from environments such as bars and nightclubs partying with sports celebs like he did on Saturday night. If it wasn't for Rugby this grub would be scrubbing toilets or mowing lawns yet he's too irresponsible to appreciate that.

Has anyone every just given up crack? I bet they have. Therefore it is a choice. Those who can't are simply too weak to make a decision and stick to it. I used to smoke for many years. I just gave up. No patches, no gum, no therapy. I just made the decision. I didn't "try" I simply "did". Addiction is a weakness it is not an illness. Maybe weakness is the illness?

Won't be long before "medical researchers" are creating a condition to cover people posting on internet forums. It is what they do. Come up with new stuff to call an illness. Just the same as politicians will for the rest of time come up with new legislations and new ways to control our lives. It is all just ways of excusing people from taking personal responsibility for their own actions and placing the responsibility some where else. Just look at the comments where people have suggested that the Rebels Management should have done more.

That is exactly it, if you are going to kick - and you are praised for being a kicker - then kick well, ie not uncontested crap down the middle of the field. This would be equivalent to Folau (whos strength is obviously ball in hand) getting smashed and dropping the ball each time. Both cause turnovers.

Mental if addiction is just weakness, dare you to try crack one time.

While I don't always agree with the venom directed at Deans, I am a member of the rugby public, and he's certainly disappointed me and most fans I talk to. Except kiwis.

Sure they don't have to be your best players in the leadership group. But they should at least be those who would consistently get selected anyway. Otherwise you end up in the situation where you keep picking fringe players just because you think they're a good bloke and don't want to lose part of your 'leadership' group.

Great point, if Mafi was treated like KB, he would still be at the Force. More likely if Mafi played for the rebels and the wallabies, there would be no problem.

Barnes needs to be in the mix in case Cooper folds Rob horn as well he has been brilliant since returning from injury

You are kidding we can't find anybody at his level Brand O'Connor 14, Digby 11, Cooper 10, Izzy 15 reserves (Jesse Mogg, Speight, Barnes) hey what do you know no place for a guy that thinks he is above it all The only way these idiots learn is to have a season or 2 without any money Then they might start to understand how easy they have it. The ARU could also save a bit of money by not paying his top up. How much debt are they in? $2m? there's $700K saved.

Just very disappointing from KB, he was great off the bench against the Chiefs, looks fit and sharp. Back in the Wallaby mix for the Lions and then this. Isaac Moses, you need to get down to Melbourne and sort out your client.

Whose focus will be on the lineout, 10 man rugby?