The 2013 NRL Grand Final winner will be…

By ScottWoodward.me / Roar Guru

We are only two weeks away from the finals and time to look at who we think will win the 2013 NRL premiership, but also represent value from the market place.

Let’s address who can win first.

There is no doubt that any of the top four teams, Souths, Roosters, Storm and Manly can win the big one.

I am happy to eliminate the other 12 teams not only because I don’t think they are good enough based on what we have seen this season, but because history says a team cannot come from outside the four and win.

Since 1999 when we have had a final eight system in place, no team can has come from outside the top 4 and won.

The AFL have had the top eight system since 2000 and no team has won from beyond the top three, which means in 27 grand finals teams outside the top four have been unsuccessful – an imposing stat.

So we are down to four teams now from 16, so we should look at the prices and determine if any of the top four are indeed value.

Premiers, the Melbourne Storm are the betting exchange elect. I must oppose them at these cramped odds because:
1. They will play their first up match away in Sydney which is rated as a negative five points. Last year they were able to play in Melbourne first up, a massive advantage.
2. No team has gone back to back since the Broncos in 97/98
3. No team has been able to back up from the World Club C’ship and win the P’ship this century.

The Storm is such a classy team and so well coached that they are good enough to be an exception to these persuasive points, but NOT at 3.85. They can run against us at those odds.

We are now down to three teams and up until last Monday night, the Roosters were the hot public elect. They have drifted from 3.85 to 4.1 but are still poor value based on:
1. Most grand finals are decided by the key position players and the Roosters rate a clear fourth from the big 4.
2. They have consistently shown poor discipline and an inability to build pressure via clever tactical kicking near the opposition try line.
3. They will not have Boyd Cordner for the crucial finals game in week one.

Any team with a +300 points differential and the best forward I have ever seen in Sonny Bill Williams gets my utmost respect, but given their spine, they represent poor value.

We now have two green bottles hanging on the wall in the name of South Sydney and Manly. I really like Souths because:
1. They have the best four key position combination of players plus their very own Sonny Bill Williams in Sam Burgess.
2. Luke Keary gives them an impact like no other teams has off the bench.
3. They know how to build pressure and have an outstanding tactical kicking game.

I would back them to beat any team if they have their best 17 available so 4.00 represents value given they will play at home ANZ first up.

Like most of the teams, no, all of the teams, injuries will dictate the results and if Manly are able to get their best 17 on the field they are as good as any team because:
1. They have the best 1, 6 and 7 combination.
2. They have the best backline.

They have a sense of timing and if they can stay fit then 7.0 is value.

If you think I put too much emphasis on key spine players well we only have to look at the top four teams to underline my point.
• The games best four half backs happen to be from the top four teams
• Three of the top five fullbacks are in the top four teams. Slater (Storm), Inglis (Souths), Stewart (Manly) will play top four footy with Dugan (Dragons) and Hayne (Eels) missing out.
• Two of the three top hookers in Smith (Storm) and Luke (Souths) will play in the top four with Farah (Tigers) missing out.
• Three of the top four pivots in Sutton (Souths), Maloney (Roosters) and Foran (Manly) will play in the top four with Thurston hoping to make the top eight

The top four teams are made up from the game’s best 12 key position players from a possible 18 (66.6%), which incredibly means the other 33.3% of the best spine players are spread over 12 teams.

The Crowd Says:

2013-09-08T13:15:13+00:00

Inkjunky

Guest


Why is Jake Friend not in the list of hookers the little bloke tips the tackle count for the chooks every week, this combined with his kicking and general creativity make him THE most underrated player in the NRL.

2013-09-01T03:10:56+00:00

Renegade

Guest


Didn't mean to come across negative mate, I was simply questioning the content of the article. To be honest, I think your last comment here conveys your message better than the article itself...... the article came across as though Souths and Manly would be the teams to beat based on their betting odds rather than performance. I understand clearly now what you are stating in regards to the "value".... your choices are more so for betting purposes than who you actually think will win. All good Scott, Happy Father's Day!

AUTHOR

2013-09-01T02:13:15+00:00

ScottWoodward.me

Roar Guru


Tiger Yes I did and nothing has changed except the market. I will be shocked if the Dogs are a factor with or without Barba.

AUTHOR

2013-09-01T02:11:50+00:00

ScottWoodward.me

Roar Guru


Renegade Thanks for not making a negative comment, its about time. I had a good win on Manly last night as did my members at Champion Profits, but it is a whole new competition after next week and it must be assessed differently. My entire point was that the market was wrong and I have always had Souths Fav in my ratings and believed Manly should have been much shorter. That is not to say I think Souths will play Manly, only that they were priced "over the odds" and I expected them to firm. Similar to you buying BHP shares and they are more valuable the next week. I price NRL games and teams for a living and it is imposssible to be profitable unless you are investing into an "overs" market place. I still give each of the 4 teams an excellent chance of winning the Grand Final and the market is a lot more accurate today than it was on Fri. Hope you have got that. Happy Father's Day

2013-08-31T22:04:06+00:00

Renegade

Guest


Scott, Haha... mate if you read my comments, I never bagged Manly and never said they couldn't win the comp. I am happy to say you were right about $7 being good value bet, from what I saw last night it is definitely good value..... still don't think Souths-Manly GF is the best bet. By the way, Tiger has a point above.... I thought you said last night's result doesn't matter?? I have no doubt that every result leading into the finals matter.... despite what the coaches try to spin and say.

2013-08-31T11:52:55+00:00

Tiger

Guest


Ahh but didn't you say not to take notice of this weeks form? Anyway bring on the finals and go the Doggies..T-Rex has awoken!!

AUTHOR

2013-08-31T11:23:50+00:00

ScottWoodward.me

Roar Guru


MEMO TO THE MANLY BAGGERS: -Especially you Renegade Read again what I wrote and then go and look at the score tonight http://www.nrl.com/TelstraPremiership/MatchCentre/tabid/10999/Default.aspx#matchid=3465&tab=LiveStats Note: I never said that the Storm could not win the comp, I simply said at 3.85 they were poor value and Manly were great value at 7.00.

2013-08-31T10:29:42+00:00

Knight Vision

Guest


+ 1 . one good season doesnt make Sutton better than anyone.

2013-08-31T08:19:29+00:00

Jack Daniels

Roar Pro


I reckon rd. 26 souths vs roosters will decide who meets the storm in the GF

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2013-08-31T07:26:05+00:00

ScottWoodward.me

Roar Guru


Ret U can say about about every team. each team have their guns and they must stay sound for them to win.

2013-08-31T04:16:49+00:00

Ret

Guest


Shame the game goes for 80 mins..

2013-08-31T04:15:59+00:00

Willy D

Guest


I agree with Carney being better then Maloney, I disagree about stton being better then anyone.

2013-08-31T04:14:19+00:00

Willy D

Guest


The difference between Maloney and JT is simple, JT doesnt choke under pressure like your boy Maloney. e.g. State of Orign, Grand Final 2011 etc.

2013-08-31T04:07:35+00:00

Willy D

Guest


I agree that Luke is much better then Jake Friend but I disagree that you rate Sutton and Reynolds- without Inglis they lost to the dragons and cowboys- 1 man team. The rest just fill in the positions.

2013-08-31T02:48:32+00:00

Ret

Guest


No Cam Smith, no Melbourne.

AUTHOR

2013-08-31T00:38:11+00:00

ScottWoodward.me

Roar Guru


Guys U gets to making the final odds based on analysis. Sometimes giving a black and white number is an easier and clearer way of explanation. 98% of punters lose because they bet at the wrong odds. No doubt the Storm can win but IMO they should not be shorter than Souths as they will not play at home first up. Therefor they are poor odds. get it?

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2013-08-31T00:34:09+00:00

ScottWoodward.me

Roar Guru


Jay Not in the next 3 years for Cam and 2 years for DCE

AUTHOR

2013-08-31T00:26:18+00:00

ScottWoodward.me

Roar Guru


EagleJack I ranf one of the owners of the Storm when the Tigers were 18 to nil last last and told him that his team have a hope to run 2nd. Sadly for him Souths came good but that was the Storms big chance, they must travel now.

AUTHOR

2013-08-31T00:21:31+00:00

ScottWoodward.me

Roar Guru


Brendan Manly won a Grand Final against them in 2008 40 to nil. Brendan u need to go back and watch the game against Souths last week. They were unlucky and the coach got fined 10k for blowing up.

2013-08-30T20:38:22+00:00

eagleJack

Guest


Rugby league is a game of inches. If the ref had done his job properly and gone upstairs saying "try" to Steve Matai then we aren't talking about Manly not having beaten a fellow Top 4 team. That's footy. But I certainly wouldn't be writing off a clubs chances on the back of not "winning" that game. But I do agree the Storm are a mighty chance. As are the Roosters and Souths. I wish I had your confidence to say one side "def cannot win the comp". You could make yourself a handy no risk profit.

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