Underwood and George Main Stakes preview

By Cameron Rose / Expert

A Cox Plate field. The best of the best coming together. Race of the millennium. Tomorrow’s Underwood Stakes has been called all of these things and more, for good reason.

The field is a who’s who of middle distance and staying feature race winners.

Melbourne Cup. Australian Cup. BMW. Railway Stakes. Ranvet Stakes. Makybe Diva Stakes. Emirates Stakes. AJC Derby. Randwick Guineas. Rosehill Guineas. VRC Oaks. New Zealand Derby. International Group races.

The real kicker though?

None of these races belong to the two favourites in the Underwood, the biggest boom horses of the spring – Atlantic Jewel and Puissance de Lune, who head the betting in the Cox Plate and Melbourne Cup respectively.

All but one horse, Dear Demi, has run in either the Memsie or Makybe Diva Stakes, so the two key weight for age (WFA) formlines are coming together to create this magnificent spectacle.

As a horse racing fan, it’s great to see Atlantic Jewel taking on a field of deep quality at weight-for-age over further than seven furlongs for the first time.

As a punter, she’s stifled the market in what would have otherwise been such a competitive betting race, and it would have been great to see it unfold without her.

The greatest sport relies on uncertainty and, like Black Caviar before her, we may not get any when Atlantic Jewel is in the field.

But for the moment, she’s still being tested in situations we haven’t seen her in before, and we wait in eager expectation to find out how she handles it.

Mark Kavanagh cunningly announced his star mare would be running in the Stocks Stakes last week, knowing he’d scare away most competition, enabling the softest possible run and thus an easy back-up into this Underwood Stakes.

It was the right move for her Cox Plate preparation.

The race itself doesn’t look to be a high pressure affair, which will play into her hooves, and jockey Michael Rodd will once again have her sitting one out, one back from a nice barrier.

I don’t back horses at $1.50, but she’ll be winning.

If looking around the favourite, or looking for something at odds to run a place, there are worse 60-1 shots than Waldpark.

He was pretty solid in the Makybe Diva, often the key form race for this event and, like many internationals, will be better for his first run in the country.

Foreteller is over the odds once more, the only horse in the race outside Atlantic Jewel to have won a Group 1 this preparation, and the only dual 2013 Group 1 WFA winner in the field. Won the St George over this track and distance in the autumn as well.

Puissance de Lune will continue to get better as he steps up in distance, and I’d like to see him go forward and try to put a space on them around the turn.

Sea Moon was heavily backed first up but was never a factor after bungling the start. Many will be watching him with a view to backing him next start.

It’s a Dundeel has been something of the forgotten horse, and seldom do we see him in double figure odds. His return in the Memsie Stakes was sound, and he’ll be one that benefits from being ridden a bit colder.

He may have too much to do to threaten if settling near last from a wide gate, but will be worth watching.

Green Moon will run on well as usual, and it will pay to keep an eye on Ethiopia ridden more quietly, although barrier one won’t help in that regard.

All others can run well and have some hope of finishing in the placings if things go their way.

What a cracker it’s going to be, well worth the wait of it being the last race at Caulfield.

Selections: 1. Atlantic Jewel 2. Foreteller 3. Sea Moon 4. Waldpark

The George Main is the other Group 1 feature on the day, taking place at Randwick, bringing together a nice mix of quality sprinter/milers and progressive stayers.

Hawkspur will jump as favourite, with Jim Cassidy riding to bring up his 100th Group 1 winner in a career spanning over 30 years.

He bolted in the Chelmsford last start, and it was hard not to be taken with his dazzling finish. Even trainer Chris Waller was somewhat lost for words, such was the awesome nature of the win.

Royal Descent hasn’t won in her two runs this prep, coming after her 10 length ATC Oaks win, but she hasn’t lost any admirers either, carrying big weights from back in the field to just miss getting the chocolates, or the bag of oats, as the case may be.

She should make the transition to WFA racing easily, and is a very real winning threat.

Dissident backs up from the Golden Rose, attempting to do what All Too Hard couldn’t as a spring three year old and take out this WFA feature. His run was simply stunning behind Zoustar last week, and he just wasn’t entitled to finish anywhere near as close as he did.

He obviously hasn’t shown any signs of fatigue after such a torrid run, or Peter Moody wouldn’t be sending him around a week later.

He’s as fit as any horse in the race, and will probably be asked to lead this field. As we saw with Kuroshio in the McEwen Stakes last week, three year olds can be awfully tough to run down with a feather on their back.

Streama was enormous behind Veyron first-up in the Warwick Stakes, but has only been seen at the trials since that gut-buster.

Rain Affair, who with Streama was part of the hot speed in the Warwick, raced very flat last week, so we don’t know how much it took out of them.

From that perspective she’s a risk, but she’s something of a second-up flyer, and is a mare that keeps every horse she runs against honest.

Sincero disappointed with excuses first-up and will have an impact. It’s hard to believe that a Memsie Stakes winner could be the outsider in this field.

Fawkner was good in the Tramway but isn’t suited at WFA. Sacred Falls comes out of the same race and will also make his presence felt.

Shoot Out and Veyron are the veterans, with the former the pick of the two.

Seldom runs a poor race, and the inside barrier hindered more than helped him in the Tramway. As ever, he’ll be there in the shadows of the post.

This is a level below the Underwood, but is a select field and fantastic race in its own right. It won’t surprise me if only a couple of lengths covers these when they pass the post.

Selections: 1. Dissident 2. Sincero 3. Royal Descent 4. Streama

Looking ‘around the grounds’ on a ripping dual state day, Rose Pattern will give early punters a massive sight at around $7 in the first at Caulfield, and in race six there, British General is $13 after I was expecting $5-$7 on him. His Bobbie Lewis run was enormous.

Our own Justin Cinque has been eagerly waiting for Politeness to tackle the A-grade fillies after a couple of dominant wins in the bush, and she’ll do so as favourite in the Thousand Guineas Prelude, while I’m looking forward to seeing The Huntress at a bit of odds.

Guelph and Bound for Earth will resume hostilities in the Tea Rose at Randwick, and we look forward to when the NSW and Victorian fillies finally meet.

The Hill Stakes gets a bit lost on the same day as the Underwood and George Main, and with the withdrawal of Beaten Up and Kelinni, it’s quite a terrible affair.

Each horse in it is a ‘maybe’ for mine, and I’ll find it too hard to get excited.

The Naturalism will be run 20 minutes earlier at Caulfield, and what a field has been assembled. It will take the best part of 24 hours to fully do the form for that race!

Quintessential is a super mare, and Durnford might be the forgotten stayer in the race.

Good luck tomorrow, it’s going to be a ripper day of high quality racing.

The Crowd Says:

2013-09-20T11:09:06+00:00

Andrew

Guest


cameron - you must get my tip sheets on thurs morns that i send around for saturdays. you are right on the money with rose pattern. she had no luck first up and then tough run 2nd up. not much speed here, sure to get a few slow sectionals around the top turn. peak fitness, great 1400m form in similar grade last summer, with 3 x sat grade wins. and some good efforts in stronger group races too. and then you pick our british general who was super first up in very strong race, and gets to his preferred 1400m trip. his 1400m form over summer/autumn was super including several wins, and some top runs in autumn in stronger races when stuck 3 wide the trip. first up run indicates has come back atleast as well (better really) this prep. meliora only speed drawn his inside, should get a cosy run. importantly, race is choc full of horses who are better over longer either 1st up or 2nd up. i marked him about $6 too, and was happy to play at that price. these are my 2 best of the day. having a nibble jolie blonde and great esteem, and the old 3rd up specialist folding gear, whose 3rd up form at caul is too good to ignore in this G2/G3 level. if you cant get a winner in the big races, try babur in the last at pakenham and cornell in the golden nuggett on sunday.

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2013-09-20T05:03:47+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


Great research and stats Justin, and I love that last question. WH was dominant, yet continued to start around $2 from memory. I particularly like that you end up in negative backing odds on runners. So costly if you get it wrong, and not a lot of reward for getting it right.

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2013-09-20T05:00:04+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


The horses you mention from the first three races all have undeniable claims, but it just doesn't look a favourites day to me Travis. I respect them, but will be chasing others. I'm giving Il Cavallo one last chance! He was great first up, and I'm giving him an 'inconclusive' down the straight. The sort of horse that I'll look down at my ticket after the race and only have one word - why. The obvious problem with Moudre is that he did this last year and kept flopping. If he brings that run again, he'd win you'd think.

2013-09-20T04:27:16+00:00

Travis Noonan

Roar Rookie


Thought Moudre was a great chance in the Naturalism Stakes at genuine odds for a horse that ran 3rd behind Foreteller and PDL last start. Hawkspur looks home for Jimmy's 100th in the George Main. Going around Guelph in the Tea Rose . Bec Said No Credit will just win the 1st at Caulfield and a running double with Shamal Wind in the 2nd too. Villa Verde should be very hard to beat in the 3rd. The Underwood is just a great race with a host of chances , Dont think AJ is over the line just yet . Would love to see something run them along out in front at a real good click like My Quest For Peace or Ethiopia and maybe the old timer Manighar. What a great day of racing.

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2013-09-20T04:12:20+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


Sounds like we're all in violent agreement Justin!

2013-09-20T04:08:56+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


I've just done some numbers on odds-on favourites for the first seven weeks of 2013/2014 season compared to the first seven weeks of the 2008/2009 season (as far as I go back on the results database) for Saturday meetings in Sydney and Melbourne. SEASON 2013/2014 Sydney (Meetings 7) Odds-on favourites: 6 Average SP: $1.68 Number below $1.5: 1 Wins: 3 Seconds: 2 Thirds: 1 Outs: NIL Melbourne (Meetings 7) Odds-on favourites: 5 Average SP: $1.58 Number below $1.5: 2 Wins: 3 Seconds: 2 Thirds: NIL Outs: NIL SEASON 2008/2009 Sydney (Meetings 6, one other was abandoned) Odds-on favourites: 8 Average SP: $1.72 Number below $1.5: 0 Wins: 4 Seconds: 1 Thirds: 2 Outs: 1 Melbourne (Meetings 7) Odds-on favourites 7 Average SP: $1.78 Number below $1.5: 0 Wins: 2 Seconds: 1 Thirds: 1 Outs: 3 So what we see is a decrease in the small sample in odds-on favourites but an increase in those that were shorter than $1.5. In 2008, Weekend Hussler started odds-on twice but both times above $1.5, while this season Atlantic Jewel has started odds-on once but at $1.06. I wonder if Weekend Hussler was racing in 2013 and Atlantic Jewel in 2008 how that would change the stats. RESULTS OF $1 win bet on all odds-on favourites in each city/season -$1.22 in Sydney this season -$2.58 in Melbourne this season -$0.59 in Sydney in 2008 -$3.37 in Melbourne in 2008

2013-09-20T04:01:13+00:00

Brad Durrant

Roar Guru


Great Esteem. I have had penned in as a genuine Norman Robinson/Vase/Derby horse since the autumn. His 5th last start behind Stamina/Bull Point/Savvy Nature looks even better now. Should be winning at Caulfield tomorrow

2013-09-20T03:51:33+00:00

Brad Durrant

Roar Guru


Totally agree with everything above re PDL. Especially because he's drawn wide and should get to the front with ease Put some fright into the Kavanagh camp.

2013-09-20T03:22:53+00:00

Will Sinclair

Roar Guru


I reckon you're lying. And not about Atlantic Jewel.

2013-09-20T03:19:34+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


If I owned PDL I want him to race in the lead tomorrow. In my opinion, he's going to have lead to win the Cox Plate and going to have to go forward in the Melbourne Cup (or Bossy risks having the horse pull his head off). This is a Cox Plate dress rehearsal, I'd send him forward and see if he can break AJ or at least make her earn it. Because PDL is always strong late, I think leading on him makes sense. Imagine if every run-on horse could lead and be as strong as him late. Surely you'd always go forward??

2013-09-20T03:11:28+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


I think punters are more willing to take these short odds. But they probably shouldn't be so keen. In a horse race, odds-on should only be the domain of the absolute good things. I don't like taking odds-on unless I'm backing either a champion or a moral. And markets going up Wednesday night don't help. You might have a $2.7 favourite on Wednesday night backed into $1.9 by Friday night. The on-course bookies might open it at $1.75 on Saturday (keen to keep it safe) and then a bit more money sees it start at $1.65/7. In the old days, if it went up on $2.7 on Saturday and the punters thought the price was wrong, it would take a monumental amount of money to get the horse into $1.7. But now, there's the time to make it happen. The game's changed. And I suspect people who like taking on favourites have probably benefited from the greater % of odds-on favourites we see these days.

2013-09-20T02:58:56+00:00

Titch

Guest


I have a gut feeling Mr Moet might lead. He's hasn't been running on lately so perhaps?...but I'm only guessing.

2013-09-20T02:39:33+00:00

Igota Hujecoq

Guest


Atlantic Jewl wont get beat.

AUTHOR

2013-09-20T01:55:49+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


All good points guys, and sounds pretty accurate to me. I love taking on short favourites in quaddies. Kuroshio over Moment of Change last week was a good example. Too often it seems the spruik sets the odds. Do big punters actually fall over themselves to back these horses, or are they kept tight because the corporates think they will? It's such a value based game, and while I've still got plenty more formguide studying to do, I can't see myself coming into anything at less than $6 or so in Melbourne at least.

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2013-09-20T01:51:20+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


I'm hoping PDL does that, but then Rob points out above that Weir may be wanting to get him to settle and run-on as he's been. I suppose this isn't his grand final, but if I wanted to beat AJ in this race, that's how I'd be doing it

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2013-09-20T01:49:20+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


It seems you're not alone with Politeness Justin. She's had very good support, and a lot of experts expect her to take the next step. Foot's comment below is a worthy one though. It's such a competitive day at Caulfield tomorrow, a minimum of 12 horses in each race, and from a betting perspective, the 1400m race and Naturalism are the highlights. There's very few in each of those that you couldn't make a case for. Furious Jet is an interesting one, and it looks like they've come for him again ($21 into $12 in the early fixed odds Tab markets). It's not the best race in the world, so I might have to have a play myself! I don't have Sacred Falls in my top four in the piece, and now I'm thinking he's the one to beat. It's that sort of race I think. I'm risking Hawkspur this time at the odds, but it might be the last time for a while! Could be a star, clearly still on the up.

2013-09-20T01:40:06+00:00

Will Sinclair

Roar Guru


My Dad tells me that the odds available these days are generally worse than in the past. His opinion is that there are no real bookies any more, who will look to take on a favorite based on their own form study, stable sources and gut feel. These days it's all computerised, and the bookies are just looking to play the numbers. No idea whether he's right, but I've learned enough in seasons past to know that "odds on, look on" is generally the best advice you can get. I've lost count of the number of odds-on certainties I've seen get rolled in the last few years.

2013-09-20T01:36:40+00:00

Will Sinclair

Roar Guru


Fair point. Maybe PDL will roll along out in front? That's how he won the Queen Elizabeth if I remember correctly? I'm not sure I can see anything getting past Atlantic Jewel, but maybe if he steals a couple of lengths he'll be hard to run down.

2013-09-20T01:17:52+00:00

Justin Cinque

Expert


You're 100% right Cam! We absolutely have heaps more odds-on horses than in the past! I remember the first few times I saw horses start shorter than $1.5 in a race - it was a big deal because it was so rare. Now it happens at least once every couple of Saturdays somewhere in metropolitan Australia.

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2013-09-20T01:13:35+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


All good points Will, but will it be a high pressure race? It has to be six-to-five and pick 'em that it's a sit and sprint. I'd love to see something run a cheeky race off the front, but AJ looks such a versatile mare. It feels like we have way more odds-on horses than in the past, I feel like if this race was run a decade ago, AJ would be $2.50 or something like it.

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