SPIRO: What is behind O'Neill's resignation from RWC Ltd?

By Spiro Zavos / Expert

The resignation of John O’Neill from the board of the Rugby World Cup Ltd, the organisation that actually organises the Rugby World Cup tournament, was big news in world rugby but hardly reported in Australia.

This is a pity because, I believe, there are serious implications for Australian rugby in what has happened.

The Guardian ran a detailed story with what seemed like inside information by people still on the board that linked O’Neill’s resignation with the naming of Alan Gilpin as the new head of Rugby World Cup.

Who is Alan Gilpin?

The Guardian describes him as lawyer who was the chief commercial officer for Rugby Travel and Hospitality Ltd. This company, which does a lot of Rugby World Cup travel business, is jointly owned by Sodexo and the former England forward and now successful businessman, Mike Burton.

Who are Rugby Travel and Hospitality Ltd?

I Googled them and the first item that came up previewed ‘official packages’ from the official corporate hospitality and travel programmes for the Rugby World Cup 2015 and 2019.

The Guardian further reported the “personal reasons” O’Neill gave for resignation “related to the appointment process that resulted in the hiring of Gilpin”.

Like most big organisations, the IRB tends towards a closed shop, secretive mentality. There needs to be a statement from the IRB that this appointment went through all the proper processes, including scrutiny by Rugby World Cup Ltd.

The fact that the IRB governance, especially in the last decade, has a commendable integrity is due to the fact that in many instances, O’Neill along with a group of like-minded officials from South Africa and New Zealand, have been forceful and fearless about this issue in the past.

Here are a couple of examples of this.

In 1996, Vernon Pugh, QC, who died in 2003, became the first elected chairman of the IRB. He retained his links with the Welsh Rugby Union as its chairman, into 1997. This was a calculated breach of the conflict of interest principle which, as a QC, he must have understood.

O’Neill was a leading voice in pointing out to Pugh he could not be the chairman of the IRB and retain an official interest with the Welsh Rugby Union.

While Pugh eventually cut off ties from the WRU, he still tended to act as chairman of the IRB in a manner that, too often, favoured the interests of northern hemisphere unions (and often the Welsh Rugby Union) and went against the interests of southern hemisphere rugby countries.

Example: one day at the Sydney Morning Herald I found a file in my online system which contained a series of emails that showed Pugh was thugging the SANZAR countries to ensure referees in the Super Rugby competition officiated in the strictest application of the black letter of rugby’s complex laws.

Pugh made it clear in his emails to SANZAR that he was totally opposed to the continuity and entertaining rugby game that teams like the Brumbies and the Crusaders were developing.

Instead of the try-fest rugby that Super Rugby was delivering, Pugh insisted on a rugby game that was dominated by set pieces and penalties.

The email correspondence made it clear Pugh was prepared to insist on IRB-appointed referees, devoted to the kicking/penalty game, if SANZAR did not buckle to his demands.

With ample quotes from the emails, both to and from SANZAR, I wrote a scathing column for the SMH criticising Pugh for trying to kill off a competition that was going to save rugby in the southern hemisphere. Extracts from the emails were published in this column.

The next day I was summoned by a distraught sports editor, Steve Meacham, who presented me with a long fax from Pugh accusing the paper of defaming him and demanding an instant apology, or else.

I pointed out to Meacham that you can hardly defame people by quoting them accurately. I said the SMH should reject the demand and see what happened.

Nothing happened, in fact. Some weeks later I wrote a follow-up column with details from Pugh about how he had withdrawn his threat to SANZAR.

As a postscript to all of this, Peter FitzSimons, in his excellent rugbiography of John Eales, revealed that during the Wales-Australia match in the 1999 Rugby World Cup, Pugh tried to have the Wallabies thrown out of the tournament because he reckoned they had brought a player back on the field after he had been substituted.

John O’Neill was sitting beside Pugh when he heard the IRB chairman (and former chairman of Wales!) make the accusation. O’Neill rushed out of his seat and went down to the referees area and confirmed the Wallaby had left the field for the blood bin.

Assured that everything was in order, he then went back to his seat and told the somewhat disenchanted Pugh his worries had been fixed up, everything was in order. And so the Wallabies proceeded to win the 1999 Rugby World Cup tournament.

During the 2000 Summer Olympics in Sydney, I received a phone call from Pugh. Would I like to have lunch with him to discuss rugby matters? Where would I like to dine?

As I’d never had lunch at Otto’s, I made this my choice. We chatted for about four hours with fine wines and good food replenishing our spirits, under a dazzling Sydney sky.

I told Pugh I was getting increasingly annoyed with the way the IRB refused to do the proper thing and put out statements about its decisions and instead gave continuing exclusives to journalistic mates like Stephen Jones, who supported the southern hemisphere-bashing that Pugh was indulging in.

Pugh said he had an offer for me. If I would be more positive in my columns about him, he would put me on the exclusives list. But I had to totally supportive of his actions and decisions.

I rejected the offer.

The UK Daily Telegraph‘s obituary of Pugh, after listing his early achievements, made this comment about his later years as chairman of the IRB: “At times he was guilty of corralling too much power. Everything had to pass his scrutiny and he made enemies.”

Those enemies, including the RFU after he booted England out of the Five Nations tournament, had the common pattern of being in competition with the Welsh Rugby Union.

The obituary went on: “There was an acrimonious falling-out with the New Zealand Rugby Union last year (2002) when Pugh stripped them of their co-host status, alongside Australia, for this year’s World Cup after they failed to comply with certain strictures.”

The context of this act of bastardry was Pugh wanted French support to remain as the IRB chairman. France had run a successful Football World Cup tournament and wanted to run Rugby World Cup 2003.

Somehow, though, Pugh was unable to deliver this tournament to France. The lobbying by John O’Neill was an essential part in determining Pugh’s failure and Australasia’s success.

Pugh had a cunning plan to win France the 2003 Rugby World Cup tournament, however, knowing France could set up a splendid Rugby World Cup tournament in virtually a moment’s notice with the stadiums already in place from the Football World Cup success.

So Pugh encouraged the New Zealand Rugby Union to believe they didn’t have to produce ‘clean stadiums’ – stadiums where only the IRB’s advertising would run – for Rugby World Cup 2003.

There was a meeting in Hong Kong between Pugh and the New Zealand Rugby Union, only months before the final document had to be signed, where Pugh confirmed once again to the nervous New Zealand Rugby Union officials the clean stadiums requirement was no issue.

When the New Zealand Rugby Union signed the final Rugby World Cup 2003 document, they wrote in pencil(!) they couldn’t and wouldn’t provide clean stadiums.

Pugh immediately told them that as they had not signed the document properly they had forfeited their rights to run the tournament. He then gave the ARU seven days to come up with a completely new schedule for the tournament.

This dictate was predicated on the grounds the ARU couldn’t possibly do this. In turn, this meant the 2003 Rugby World Cup tournament would be held in France.

Unfortunately for Pugh, O’Neill had worked out well in advance the deceitful game Pugh was playing. The ARU had about 40 people working on the clean stadiums project. An Australian-only Rugby World Cup 2003 schedule had been prepared.

When told about having to present an Australian schedule, fully detailed and costed, within seven days, O’Neill nonplussed Pugh by saying, “Vernon, I don’t need seven days. You can have the schedule now.”

It is history now that this foresight by the O’Neill-led ARU led to one of the best ever Rugby World Cup tournaments, and an over $40 million windfall to the ARU.

Having O’Neill, even though he was no longer with the ARU, on the Rugby World Cup Ltd board was a great advantage to Australian rugby. Which brings me to an important point: Why has there been no comment about all this from the ARU?

Forget even the value of having someone with some sympathy for Australian rugby on the most important Rugby World Cup board, what about the implication that can be drawn from O’Neill’s resignation that “points of principle” (The Guardian‘s words) have emerged as an explanation for his abrupt departure?

The Crowd Says:

2014-03-11T04:56:28+00:00

Johnno

Guest


Wow ballboy, JON writing a book in conjunction with Peter Jenkins, hardly an independant source to skew an argument as JON wrote the book himself!

2014-03-11T04:55:16+00:00

Johnno

Guest


usually comments get stopped if there' alot of abuse, so JON must have had alot of abusive comments directed at him in 2012, when the interviews were done, and Australian rugby and the wallabies were in a massive mess, deal with it ballboy JON is not and was not popular with the Australian rugby public. Not many liked him.

2014-03-11T04:46:09+00:00

Ballboy

Guest


OK Johnno, this one has really got to be had on. Are you saying that all interviews with JON have been magically altered to disallow ANY comments from the public? How powerful is this guy seriously!! he must have friends in high places, with such an elaborate reach to censor FREE speech. Isn't that the point of youtube.....Johnno?? keep looking up those youtube clips Johnno, i can guarenttee its worth your precious time.

2014-03-11T04:40:33+00:00

Ballboy

Guest


Johnno mate. Please tell me you know JON wrote a book (in conjunction with Peter Jenkins) with all of the above information. You do realise it is public knowledge?

2014-03-11T00:17:54+00:00

30mmtags

Guest


Bennalong, good comment. Staying on topic , rather than getting distracted, is good.

2014-03-11T00:13:27+00:00

30mmtags

Guest


Nothing like facts to destroy prejudice. Good input lindommer.

2014-03-11T00:11:16+00:00

30mmtags

Guest


Thanks Spiro. I would love to hear more of this and the direction that Rugby is going or is being directed by those who are likely to gain either individually or for their home unions.

2014-03-08T08:48:51+00:00

richard

Guest


Don't make me laugh.Pure tokenism on O'Neill's part.Supporting NZ,he shafted us at every opportunity. This was O'Neill looking after O'Neill.And it was seen in NZ as just that.

2014-03-08T08:35:41+00:00

Fair go

Guest


Great read and no big surprise. Wondering when we will get an IRB that has a focus on the game

2014-03-07T21:55:09+00:00

Lindommer

Guest


David Gallop went to Canberra Grammar and would've been an excellent get after O'Neill retired.

2014-03-07T17:09:50+00:00

Justin3

Guest


So you would have rather he sit on his hands and not support Nz? Got it, what a selfish pr1ck hey. Ffs...

2014-03-07T13:46:51+00:00

In Brief

Guest


Pugh's antics remind me of Kristina Keneally giving Warwick Watkins (former Wallaby and head of Dept of Lands) the green light to negotiate the sale of Currawong. She was then able to throw him to the wolves for acting on her direction, which was a ploy in gaining credibility days out from an election.

2014-03-07T12:33:45+00:00

Johnno

Guest


I wonder if JON as he counts his millions, cares what Australian rugby fans think of him. It seems he doesn't care, he never talks about his unpopularity, or defends it, or complains he's not liked. In fact at his press conference when he announced his resignation, in a well planned press conference, ARU chairman said there will be no questions directd to JON. -No tough questions, about being unliked in Australian rugby, for all the bad decisions, he wasn't held to account by OZ rugby fans, and journos to give him a spray. Sits back in the ivory towers, away from the grassroots fans. At least Bill Pulver coaches a junior footy team or has, and turns up to grass roots matches, and meets the fans, at least a little bit more than JON. JON didn't feel the need to engage or justify his spot with the fans. David Gallop has been far more engaging with fans, he has attended fans forums, and had them rip into him with tough questions, but not ivory towers, closed shop JON. He avoids the tough questions, like a crafty cat he is. He knows he won't be missed by OZ rugby, but I don't think he cares. I've looked at a few youtube clips, of John O'neil interviews, and all the comments sections are deleted and disabled, which means you can't comment on the video, obviously alot of complaints directed at JON.

2014-03-07T12:32:13+00:00

johnson

Guest


Johnno what I am concerned about: 1) what are the precious KPI's. Somebody must have some 2) what about western sydney!!! 3) ivory towers. I am concerned about the ivory towers!!! These are the big big picture stuff

2014-03-07T11:54:30+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


I thought an anecdote at this point might help clarify some things. Following the first leg of the FIFA world cup qualifier against Uruguay in Montevideo in late 2005, those crafty South Americans planned to do everything to delay the Socceroos return to Australia via commercial travel, for the return leg. Getting back to Oz as quickly as possible to recover & recuperate before the return match was crucial. O'Neill, anticipating skullduggery on the Uruguayan's part, leased a Qantas 747 at the Socceroos disposal, complete with ice baths, masseurs & basically everything necessary to quickly refresh the players, at considerable expense to FFA. But it was worth it! The Socceroos flew directly back from Montevideo to Sydney, while the Uruguayans had to take a short flight to Buenos Aires, then a connecting flight to Oz, arriving more than 24 hours after the Socceroos. In this instant O'Neill, as FFA supremo did everything necessary to give the Socceroos their shot at glory, which they achieved. He did likewise for the Wallabies at the 2003 rugby world cup. O'Neill did some good things, no doubt about that, especially balancing the books. But ultimately, he left a code bereft of vision. He benefitted from a strong Wallabies 1998-2003 & to date the strongest Socceroos ever 2004-07. But he had little direct input into the brilliance of these teams outside of facilitating their well-being. I'm inclined to the view that at the end of the day, the whole of O'Neill's legacy is falsely greater than the sum of its parts.

2014-03-07T07:17:04+00:00

Johnno

Guest


Ballboy you must be JON's son -And yes you right i have had it in for JON from the get go, and just about all of what you said is true. - I actually did attend a private school, the same standard as JON and played 1st 15 rugby, doesn't mean I am happy with how the private school system works, far from it (eg have rugby league as an option, they tolerate AFL and soccer, why not league, and soccer has made massive inroads in many CAS/GPS/ISA schools, now AFL). -JON did a few good things I'll give that ex-joey boy some credit. You happy Ballboy, JON'S son I should add lol -You have though convientantley left out some major stuff above, as I wrote as you defended JON like he was your dad or brother lol -Why didn't JON allow alot of foreign imports into OZ super rugby teams, like 3-5 would of been very handy eg Gareth Delve, Alby Mathewson,Potteger,Daniel Braid, he barley allowed any in -JON'S neglect of west sydney rugby -His negelect of junior rugby, and the expansion beyond it's heartlands eg North shore, eastern suburbs -JON even admitted himself, when he resigned the ARU could of done more for junior rugby, and 3rd-Tier rugby the shute shield -JON's neglect of pacific islands rugby. I never heard JON campaign for a pacific islands super rugby team, or get Samoa in the Tri-nations. -He didn't exactly encourage, forieign imports in OZ super rugby teams, or play test matches vs pacific islands teams which is SH instead much preferring NH teams from Europe, shameful. You left out those inconvienient facts Ballboy

2014-03-07T07:09:22+00:00

Curious

Guest


O'Neil presided over the sale of State Bank of NSW for $500 million.Properly marketed should have achieved $2.0 billion.Headed to Rugby Union as skill base in banking meagre.John always interested in John.Like most people did some good,some not so good for Rugby generally.Sad Spiro has to recount the private discussions with Vernon Pugh after he is dead.A bit gutless,irrespective of what you think of Pugh.

2014-03-07T06:56:45+00:00

Short-Blind

Guest


Thanks Anto - the most insightful comment about JON's legacy on here. Signing with the devil has gauranteed a micro audience and insignificance (relatively) for rugby in this country UFN. I'd love a guy like Gallop at the top ....... Oh that's right, wrong school and hasn't played with 'Hawko'. Que Johno now.

2014-03-07T06:29:33+00:00

AndyS

Guest


I doubt it - tipping him the nod would mean that Pugh had no other motive but to stitch NZ up and I can't see why that would be. I don't doubt he saw what was happening, and I'd agree a mate would have said something, but for all we know he did and was told to mind his own business. For as little regard as I have for O'Neill, what sort of professional administrators are happy to proceed on unsupported verbal undertakings - they are supposedly political animals, but fall for that!!?? And if it is true, signing a contractual document in pencil - seriously, how would anyone be that stupid??? So it does crack me up that O'Neill is the one blamed for NZ losing hosting rights in 2003 with no mention of the hack amateurs he must have been dealing with.

2014-03-07T05:55:34+00:00

richard

Guest


Wrong,it was all about Australia's interests first and foremost.If SANZAR benefitted,that was a by-product.Self-interest was O'Neill's MO. for example,when NZ threatened to pull out of the next RWC because of the cost ( was never realistically going to happen) O'Neill backed up the NZRU.Looks good on the surface,but it was about O'Neill being pragmatic.Australia stood to benefit from the policy,and O'Neill gets publicity for Aus.rugby.Win-win for O'Neill. As for wresting unfair power from the NH;hardly.O'Neill would have known that's a forlorn hope.The NH have always controlled the game,and moreso in the pro area where the wealthiest control the sport.In the NH,O'Neill was regarded as a serial pest,nothing more than that.

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