Finkler earns Victory finals win

....and it was on tv.

I'll just mention how many Victorians Australians for that matter are accustomed to one sport playing in two different competitions on different Continents every few days ACL and HAL and its club football mind you not a National Team. I'm not trying to stir or tease but what would the crowds be like if this was the Victorian Bushrangers in T'20 or 50 over formatted Cricket doing something of a similar nature ?.

"SFC did something about the new competition. MVFC didn’t." In 2011/12, MVFC did something to lift crowds after MHT's 1st year of competition had eaten into our crowds. The MVFC Board signed an Aussie bloke called Harry Kewell. You may have heard about him - he's from the Western Suburbs of Sydney? In the season Harry played with MVFC, home crowds increased by 5k. I'm not surprised you may not be aware of this, since you've only been following A-League for the past 18 months. PS: I wonder how WSW's home crowds will be after 9 years? The 2nd year of competition your crowds increased by 18%. In MVFC's 2nd year of competition, our crowds nearly doubled - from 14.2k to 27.8k.

SFC did something about the new competition. MVFC didn't. I'll answer my own question. It doesn't bother you that while your membership has steadily risen, your average attendance has dropped significantly. Absolutely nothing wrong with that point of view. I just wanted to get your thoughts on the issue.

I also think the a^^e end is out of the economy in our business we've received about a 30% down take in sales people aren't buying stores are closing down or really struggling consumers aren't buying and are counting their pennies. Plus also with sports in every sector supporters are being bitten financially from merchandise, gates, memberships, subscription tv $65- $100 a month, even on line pay walls look out our motor engineering industry such as Holden Ford, I still believe we've not jumped out of recession such factors are effecting all sports, I'm not directly saying they are the clear reasons but part of ..

"Whereas your great rivals Sydney FC enjoyed an enormous increase in its membership and crowds when a second Sydney team entered the competition" Wow.. that would have to be the most simplistic analysis of the possible drivers for SFC's increased crowds last season. Yes, WSW entered the market last season. Not sure if the news filtered out to the Western Suburbs, but an Italian bloke also entered the SydFC market last year. Do you think it's at all possible that a World Cup winning superstar of football joining Sydney FC was the key driver for SFC's increased crowd last year? Or, are WSW fans so self-delusional that they think WSW entering the market drove SydFC's crowds higher?

5k is nearly a quarter of your support. That is a huge proportion. Whereas your great rivals Sydney FC enjoyed an enormous increase in its membership and crowds when a second Sydney team entered the competition. To just brush off falling attendance with high membership number is a cop out considering how much time we spend talking about the attendance figures of football and other sports.

Why is that the explanation? The crowd at the Rebels game was just over 10K. Do you ever consider facts? Both crowds appear low. Perhaps Easter holidays has something to do with it for those that can think outside the square. As Mahonjt said below, perhaps Stevo thinks there was 100,000 at the union game, not 10000

AZ_RBB If you had been following A-League prior to WSW's entry into the competition, you would have been aware that, in 2010/11 a 2nd team entered the A-League market in Melbourne. In that season, MVFC's average crowd fell by around 5.5k & the new team in Melbourne had an average crowd of 8.3k. I think it's fair to assume the majority of MVFC's fallen attendance went over to MHT. So, at our peak home attendances in 2006/07, the average was 27.7k. This season it just under 22k. If we agree 5k fans moved over to MHT since 2006/07, is a fall of 700 fans/game a concern? We need more data before I can form any major conclusions. For instance, memberships are at record highs - just under 22k. When I analyse the financial performance of any entity, I will be more interested in "revenue from sales"; not "people using the product they buy". So, if a sporting business sells 22k season tickets, it means 22k people have bought tickets for 13 home games. Does it matter if all 22k people decide to stay home, or all 22k decide to attend? For those who want a dance party, it's better to have the stands packed. For the people running the football club, dollars in the bank are critical. The dance party is attractive, but the dance parties don't pay the bills.

Mahonjt - Ill try once more. Using the figures and facts I gave you above, Victory's home average this year has been affected by the fact that they only had one "deby game"out of the three played. As I explained that saw their overall total this year fall by an apparent 45,000. Now if you simply divide 43,000 by 14 you come up with a 3000 crowd deficit showing in home game figures.That did not happen.So the 80 you mention is totally insignificant to that 3000 deficit and, as anyone with a modicum of experience in analysing statistice will tell you , the "decline" in Victory's average attendance this year was thoroughly predictable just as that next year the same 3000 "deficit" will jump sides and be added on Victory's average, get how it works?????? jb

Fuss, are you disappointed that MVFC average attendance has fallen 6k since its peak a few seasons ago? Do you feel that the club should be increasing it's attendance each season as well as its membership?

@AVictory Just out of interest, when teenagers & 20-somethings are thinking about attending a football match, do they have any interest in what actually occurs on the pitch ... or, is it all about "will there be a good dance party in the stands"?

The 80 are missing football 'fans' - my twitter timeline is full of the 'fans' explaining why they no longer go. Apparently they can't self-police (despite arguing to do so for years) and won't be policed by police (who, admittedly have some way to go in learning how to manage football crowds) then they won't support the team. This is the summary of their position. I kid you not. When all the inflated, self important, pseudo political rhetoric is stripped away - these 'fans' cannot any longer support the team because of game security policy and practice. Meanwhile, the rest of the crowd (including the vast majority of the terrace) continue to do so. These are the real fans in my mind.

"Intestinal analysis" - love it - going to use it - will claim as my own :-)

I was predicting 100,000 - so actually, because I made this prediction the MVFC Board (who have nothing to do with organising the game) have LOST 880,000 fans!!!!!!!

realfootball, The MV administration have been undermining the MV fans before this season even begun. The North Terrace has been protesting all season and as a result the atmospheres at our games have been dismal. The matchday experience has not been very exciting and it has taken the shine off all of MV's home games. It has become really tiresome for many of the fans, whom are fed up with the people running our club and refusing to take responsibility for the mishandling of the situation. Many have been writing in angry letters and have threatened to withdraw their memberships and stop attending games next season. I hope that may explain some reasoning as to why our crowds are heading for a downwards trend.

Personally I think that whilst there is only 10 teams that the season can begin to feel a bit long around this time of year. I have been an MVFC member for 7 years so I could hardly be described as a blow in or fair weather fan, for me it is hard to maintain a special kind of atmosphere for a game (perhaps outside the derbies) when a final is the fourth time they have played in one season. I also would suggest that the introduction of heart and the wanderers has detracted somewhat from the rivalry between these two teams. There's only so much hate to go around! I would have hoped that the added importance of a final would motivate more people to get through the gates but while the a league is still young i would fully expect these kind of crowds late on in the season

Pablo-.Beware of making assumption on Victory's average figure .Last season Victory had 2 derby games against Heart that helped to push their average just a little higher. This year Heart had the 2 derby matches and that helped to push their, Heart's, average higher.and automatically reduced the Victory total for the year. Last years derby's ,Victory's, put over 83,000 on to Victory's total for the season,this year that was reduced to 45,000.That differential would automatically, but marginally reduce Victory's average for this year. jb

So we have a decrease from last year at a time when most clubs are increasing .....

Really? Ch9 is usually the expert opinion on all issues relating to SOCKAH.