The Rugby Championship Week 5: The big questions

By Brett McKay / Expert

Week 5 of The Rugby Championship sees the Wallabies making their first trip across the Indian Ocean, while the All Blacks similarly traverse the South Pacific for the first time in 2014.

While The Rugby Championship is possibly only one game away from being decided, Biltong, Digger and I just seem to be coming up with even bigger questions.

Once again, please post your own thoughts, or indeed, lodge your own big question and the guys and I will tackle them.

Brett McKay: Given TRC games have already been blighted by some decisions from northern hemisphere refs, would SANZAR not be doing the right thing by their partners (nations, broadcasters, sponsors, etc) by insisting the IRB only appoint SANZAR referees and ARs as per Super Rugby?

This is one of those times where I’ve asked a question without really having an opinion.

The obvious angle is that by insisting on southern hemisphere referees take control of TRC games, SANZAR can at least remove the variable of referees not being used to or experience with the subtle differences in the game in the south. Having referees with a better ‘feel’ for the SANZAR games has to be a better option than a referee with no experience down this way.

That said, the obvious riposte is to say that there should be no differences in the game between the northern and southern hemisphere games, and that Test rugby is Test rugby no matter who is playing who and where they’re playing. The Laws of the game are universal, and thus universal appointment of Test referees is appropriate.

I’m almost certain that’s what the IRB, sorry, World Rugby would say.

However, we all know the games are played differently in the south to the north, and likewise the laws are interpreted differently. So surely the SANZAR partners would prefer the most suitable referees for the job?

Of course, insisting on something is one thing; having it actually happen is another thing altogether…

Digger: I remember a few referring decisions from Super Rugby that left people scratching their heads, so I do not believe it would be any better.

Rugby is a world game, and although it probably already exists, I don’t like seeing anything that would promote a ‘them versus us’ scenario. Adapting to the referee is a requirement regardless of where they are from.

The crux of the issue is the rules themselves and how they are interpreted, and World Rugby needs to address this to create consistency across the board. What constitutes a high tackle would be a good place to start.

Biltong: Referees from the northern hemisphere are not the problem, even though some tend to be rather pedantic at the set piece.

Individuals themselves should be held accountable. Referee George Clancy, as an example, had his mind made up about carding Bryan Habana before he even reviewed the tackle. Nothing Jean de Villiers, his touch judge, or the TMO was going to say was going to sway him.

By the same token, referee Pascal Gauzere refused to review the charge-down by Juan Fernandes Lobbe, in fact he blew his whistle immediately after the charge-down and decided Lobbe attempted to “manipulate” the direction of the ball with his charge, and therefore knocked it on.

These are individual mistakes, not necessarily a northern hemisphere mistake. I often find Glen Jackson equally pedantic and quick on his whistle, I had quite a bit of criticism for the inconsistencies with which he officiated the scrums in Australia versus Argentina.

That said, the IRB needs to find solutions. How, I am not sure.

Diggercane asks: Are the All Blacks vulnerable playing away from home considering their injuries and omissions from their squad?

Absolutely. You can’t lose that sort of ability without it having some effect, but I am looking forward to seeing the team put under pressure and having a look at some new combinations in the toughest of environments.

I am also expecting the senior players to really take charge and, being a glass-half-full kind of fellow, I believe these changes are good. They provide fresh challenges for the playing group and suitable motivation to stay on top of their games while creating healthy competition for places.

Biltong: No, I don’t think so.

All the teams have injury issues, South Africa is struggling to execute and their game plan is not going to put 30 points on any team. Beauden Barrett is a very good replacement for Aaron Cruden, and New Zealand accommodate changes to their squad more seamlessly than anyone else.

If New Zealand will miss anyone it will be Sam Whitelock, who is one of the best lineout operators and locks in world rugby.

Brett: Slightly vulnerable, yes. If there’s one thing that fell in their favour around the Aaron Cruden situation, it’s that the team had already flown out of the country by the time the story broke. Had this happened coming into camp for a home Test, it would’ve had the potential to become a bigger story than the game itself.

That said, there might be no team better equipped to cope with this situation than the All Blacks. Beauden Barrett will come into the side already knowing the systems and what’s required of him, and the show will just roll on. That certainly wouldn’t be the case within the Wallabies, for example.

With a bit of a hiccup at flyhalf, some concerns still around hooker, and another new centre combination, the All Blacks are a tad vulnerable on the road. Had they been playing the ‘Boks this weekend, instead of Argentina, I might’ve been inclined to tip the upset.

(By the way Digger, being a glass-half-full kind of fella is what put Cruden and the All Blacks in their current predicament.)

Biltongbek asks: The travel factor is huge in the Rugby Championship, would an alternative option whereby each country host a six-week tournament every four years not be a better option?

From a tournament spectacle, it would be great. It would mimic the World Cup in the sense that you will have the atmosphere, the tourists, and the intensity of six weeks of rugby.

Each country can put their own vibe into it and it would revitalise the competition, as you only see it live in your own country every four years.

The players would benefit from less travel, a shorter tournament, and an additional two weeks for rest or preparation is always welcome.

Digger: I love and hate this idea all in one.

I immediately had visions of a six-week boys trip around South Africa or Argentina watching six double headers at some of the world’s iconic venues and enjoying all that had to be offered.

(Brett’s note: registering ‘ROARrugbytours.com’ as we speak – what a sensational plan!)

A marvellous proposition with so many benefits; reduced travel, extra time off or preparation time. and it would be a wonderful experience for the host country.

But I also hate the idea, because I would not be able to see my team live against their traditional southern hemisphere rivals at home regularly, and I can’t say that sits happily with me. I may not get to see the ‘Boks, as an example, play in Wellington for 8 or even 12 years depending on how the schedule is prepared. From a completely selfish viewpoint I loathe that idea.

Outside of my own selfish issues, it is a proposal well worth consideration with far more pros than cons.

Brett: I’m with Digger on this. On paper, it sounds like a cracking idea with plenty of pros, both for the teams themselves and the host countries each year.

But then the commercial realities kill the idea dead in a flash. For one thing, broadcasters want to be able to show the premium product in premium times in their respective markets. That can only happen with home games. Likewise, sponsors are hardly going to sign up for a long-term deal knowing their brand will only been seen at home for one of those four years. Or they’d be wanting major discounts if they did, meaning the unions are further out of pocket.

The travel and schedule arguments have come up a fair bit in recent weeks and as much as I’ve tried to think of better ways of staging the tournament, every option I come up with results in two teams having to travel every week. And that’s going to be the final reality of a tournament that spans three points of the southern hemisphere.

Tips for TRC Round 5

Brett: #RSAvAUS – South Africa have their own issues with combination, with a new halves pairing and all the controversy around the selection of Teboho Mohoje ahead of Newlands favourite Schalk Berger. Will it be enough for the Wallabies to break the 22-year drought? Here’s hoping – one point will do.

#ARGvNZL – The big question in this game for me is just how much wind has been knocked out of Los Pumas’ sails after the charge-down debacle in Napier. There’ll be no shortage of passion in La Plata, but it won’t be enough – All Blacks by 15.

Digger: #RSAvAUS – I feel the Wallabies will have a good crack here but South Africa will pull through by 8 or 10.

#ARGvNZL – Can’t wait for the scrums, bless them. Seeing how we front in Argentina on a presumably hard track as opposed to the spongy Napier ground in the wet holds great fascination for me. The All Blacks will be too strong across the 80 minutes, but geez, it may be very close! ABs by 6.

Biltong: #RSAvAUS – This match will be about execution, biggest challenge for the Boks will be a new look backrow and 9, Australia is confident and need to be taken out of the game in the first quarter. Boks by 9.

#ARGvNZL – Argentina did well until the 39th minute against New Zealand in their previous Test, I am hoping fatigue will not play a role and they manage an 80-minute performance. All Blacks by 14.

The Crowd Says:

2014-09-27T04:08:39+00:00

Rugby Tragic

Guest


Ahhh Harry, the results were nectar to some and poison to others ...

2014-09-27T02:03:36+00:00

Digby

Roar Guru


I agree with BB, rules need looking at first but Mallets suggestion certainly has merit and in fact I am pretty sure national referring teams used to be the norm ie if NZ was appointed to officiate a test match a set team of three would be dispatched who would have been working together in NPC or club matches. I assume cost was the reason it changed.

2014-09-26T22:37:53+00:00

Nobrain

Guest


Great to have you on board, not many Argies on the roar.

2014-09-26T21:27:42+00:00

Rugby Tragic

Guest


Hi Carlos, Ahhh, wine tasting it quite complex actually, a little like Rugby! The wine seems to taste better as it is swirled around ones palate leaving that after taste. Although essentially a 'beer guy' we consume a reasonable volume of wine (probably an understatement!), though we have more than 300 bottles in 'our cellar' (consisting of a wooden wall of wine racks in their own alcove under the stairwell!). We are consumers of wine rather than collectors (though have some great vintages) of many varieties though mainly reds from the Syrah (Shiraz) grape which tend to be consistently full-bodied from the warmer growing regions of the Barossa. Not a wine connoisseur by any stretch of the imagination, but a bottle shared is a joy.. a few bottles and we start talking shorthand so its all good! A year or so back my daughter in law was at Uni and told me she met this guy who had very big arms and she explained that he was the captain of some Australian football team but didn't know which team. After giving her the third degree, it was all revealed ... That team happened to be the Wallabies, that guy was David Pocock who was on some course studying soil. She is not a football fanatic in any sense but the world moves around in very small circles huh?

2014-09-26T16:48:26+00:00

Carlos The Argie in the USA

Guest


I watched the Japan game against the USA. Mind you, the yanks are terrible, but Japan played very nice and flowing rugby. The backs, even though they were small, had great pace and ran good lines, they broke through countless times. Even though they were something like 100 kilos lighter, they shoved the yanks all over the pitch. The yanks were "jogging" backwards! It was a fun match to watch. They won.

2014-09-26T16:20:23+00:00


Armand I don't have the answer mate. I vote for simplification of the laws.

2014-09-26T16:17:27+00:00


Of course ;)

2014-09-26T16:15:00+00:00


Bakkies, we watched two different matches, Strockosh was committing obstruction at every ruck, go watch the tries again and see how he blocks to forwards past the ball to create the path to the goal line.

2014-09-26T15:35:12+00:00

Carlos The Argie in the USA

Guest


Hola Sin Cerebro! For a no brainer, you make sense. Though I think you are a bit optimistic. There are MANY people that wake up early to watch the matches, but way fewer than if Messi would be playing. Or maybe I am biased because of my rugby friends. It is even harder for me to watch it from California. When you go to La Plata, wear a Pumas shirt so I will recognize you... :-)

2014-09-26T15:30:06+00:00

Carlos The Argie in the USA

Guest


I'd like to meet Rugby Tragic's daughter in law. For the fermented grape juice, I clarify....

2014-09-26T15:25:24+00:00

Carlos The Argie in the USA

Guest


Actually, playing Barrett against the Pumas may be a better choice than Cruden. His running straight at the line with the ball is better than Cruden's and the Pumas have been vulnerable all championship close to the scrum and line-out. It is more of a problem in the scrum as the focus on the push makes the flankers more "sticky" and slower to react. If you observe most of the tries against the Pumas started with penetration there. And as a small clarification to the forum, I made the comment of "Saint Richie" the other day tongue in cheek and in profound admiration of his play. Last year in Paris, I went to cover the France-AB game for the spanish blog where I sometimes write and met most of the ABs. My girlfriend got to interview McCaw as I was speaking with Hansen. She came back soft on the knees and awed. Darned if she even put Richie as a screensaver in her telephone! Sorry for the digression.

2014-09-26T15:06:44+00:00

kibui b

Guest


the crowds in Antananarivo are insane, but the field won't pass the litmus test.

2014-09-26T13:07:45+00:00

Magic Sponge

Guest


Brett why don't roar writers write on how pathetic our forwards are. We are going to get annihilated and roarers are worrying whether Izzy should be fback or wing. Cmon guys it is time to get serious and address the real issues . the wallabies are crap without players like Moore and a fit Palu. Why do we pretend Simmons and Carter are good, especially at lineouts when they are only capable of winning their own ball if lucky. We need mongrel and this pack does not have it. Are you gys going to be shocked by the result because I wont be . It could be 60 blot.

2014-09-26T12:31:07+00:00

Rugby Tragic

Guest


Harry, you don't need to crash it ...... you will be invited.... gotta do our bit for International relations!

2014-09-26T12:14:24+00:00

Armand van Zyl

Roar Guru


Hey Brett, Biltongbek, Dig awesome reading this. Excited about it every week. I have a question I'd really like all of you to comment on. A few weeks ago Nick Mallett, a member of the IRB, said that he submitted a plan to the IRB regarding the quality of refereeing. In this he said that sometimes he feels that referees are wrongly swayed by his assistants and his TMO. For example he asked to refer the tackle on Adam Ashley-Cooper by Habana. Now we got three different answers. The TMO said that it was worth a penalty. Frazer his touch judge said that it was legal and Clancy himself said it's a yellow. Now say the next game is officiated by Frazer. That tackle would not be penelized and conflict would follow. But if his TMO says it's a yellow card and he gives it then everyone would shout he tried to defend the Springboks in Perth. Therein lies the problem Every single official interperates the rule in a different way. How do we work around this? Well Mallett proposed an idea and I think it's a pretty cool one. He asked whether the IRB could maybe select teams of officials. Literally a team. Say you review your referees and you choose the very best 10 out of them. Now they are your referees plain and simple. They are constant. They officiate multiple teams but they are the only referees who take up the whistle. After you've chosen your officials then the rest of them are assigned to a specific referee. I hope you understand so far. So each ref has two touch judges who are always assigned to them and then so too a TMO. Those teams stick to each other every game. Like a team they learn from one another and create a consistent pattern. Certain choices will be coherant. What do you guys think about it? Could it work?

2014-09-26T11:49:43+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


I'm hoping the bench is irrelevant, and that we score 20+ in the first half and keep the pressure on till OZ cracks...but it is going to be cool to see Bakkies, Burger, and Bismarck run on in the second half....

2014-09-26T11:44:12+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


It's been very good except for the ends of Perth and Wellington tests

2014-09-26T11:42:39+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


I will crash that braai and bring some snoek

2014-09-26T11:41:36+00:00

Harry Jones

Expert


Good point Nigel has the tougher one to ref These teams don't like each other

2014-09-26T11:39:01+00:00

Eddard

Roar Guru


Japan beat a pretty close to full strength Italian side in June. And Japan didn't even play well in that game. Samoa and Fiji beat them as well. Those sides are of a similar standard. And Japan would improve considerably if they get the 18th Super Rugby side from 2016.

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