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And lie better than the other bloke

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

Good piece!

Why I'm a 'glass half full' rugby fan

Good governance does include a culture of ethics, but it better imagine a sound process, and not structure it on results-oriented thinking. Clarence Thomas gets to his desired result and then “reasons” backward. I try to do the opposite. What is right, then move to the next step. If that frees a guilty person, so be it. That’s what makes me liberal.

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

Similarly, if Siya wanted to insinuate race, it would be headline news. It isn’t. Either way. Not an issue. Plenty to discuss. Let’s keep on point.

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

All good, mate! With 9000+ reads and surprise contacts from both sides of the legal proceeding, I’m happy with how this “journal essay” came out, but I highly value actual critique, and always try to improve. It’s literally the point of sport and life, no? To be better.

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

Exactly. You got it

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

England seems not to be able to resist getting in a macho man dustup with SA. They’d be better off playing quicker.

The Thursday rugby two-up: Spring Tour hopes and dreams

One wasn’t.

The Thursday rugby two-up: Spring Tour hopes and dreams

I vehemently agree

The Thursday rugby two-up: Spring Tour hopes and dreams

It’s a great stadium but it’s in a weird weird locale!

The Thursday rugby two-up: Spring Tour hopes and dreams

I’m a liberal who believes in process

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

Thanks for the feedback, mate.

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

The key to understanding all of this is to see the tribunal as balancers of perceived justice.

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

Good club player, and fits in that Quin team.

Two big INS, one huge OUT for touring Springboks: Veteran flyhalf expected to retire

Green is still selfish. And not fast enough for test rugby.

Two big INS, one huge OUT for touring Springboks: Veteran flyhalf expected to retire

A prop only gets good at 28-32.

Two big INS, one huge OUT for touring Springboks: Veteran flyhalf expected to retire

Yes, that’s the other possibility.

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

A fair process—even for the guilty—before imposing fines or bans, is absolutely an ethics discussion!

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

Apparently it was the late review, late in the Bok coaches’ view, which admitted plenty of error cavalierly, and perhaps with a bit of disrespect (in their view) in a once-in-a-lifetime series (for coaches) with Covid bubbles and riots in the background. Erasmus lost it.

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

6 mo ban + £50K

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

I didn’t say that, at all. WR merely has to find whatever it wants. It rules the process. There is not even a proper appeal. It gets sticky because if they do fine him, say, £1M and ban him for life, for example, THEN, he’d surely sue, and then a court would examine it for real. They would look to analogous law, which is civil libel. Knowing that, the QCs will go ahead and try to premise their decision on that English law, to be less reversible.

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

I think the decision will be fair, because it would bring rugby into disrepute to issue too harsh a penalty (triggering an appeal and a damaging lawsuit): the trio will design a modest penalty to tempt Rassie and SARU to accept it.

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

Or resurrect his playing career for Canada

The case for and against Erasmus, and the men charged with protecting rugby’s reputation

Loving this format.

Rugby World: Eddie find who 'could be like Kolbe,' Quade's hilarious coach stitch up, Carter's 'most influential'

Excellent ruck analysis.

How Dave Rennie’s Wallabies are pushing the limits in contact

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