Turnbull Stakes Day preview

By Adam Page / Roar Guru

One of the significant races in terms of the Caulfield Cup, Cox Plate and Melbourne Cup landscape is the $500,000 Group l Turnbull Stakes (2000m) and the time-honoured major highlights racing from Flemintgon this Saturday.

Lucia Valentina, Silent Achiever and Puissance De Lune are at the top of the betting, closely followed by Crackerjack King and Happy Trails.

Three $200,000 Group 2s support the big one, including the TAB Edward Manifold Stakes (1600m), the Gilgai Stakes (1200m), and the Blazer Stakes (1400m).

The Turnbull shapes to be an absolute beauty, with a capacity field assembled.

I’m putting Happy Trails on top. His first two runs back from a break were just fair, but then he really bounced back to his best with an unexpected narrow second in the Underwood Stakes (1800m) to Foreteller. Connections were expecting him to need that run to tune up for this and then the Cox Plate, but he has exceeded expectations and is right on track for this and the big dance at the Valley. He won the race last year, and is going much better than what he was 12 months, and beat a stronger field.

Been very impressed with the way Puissance De Lune has gone about his business this Spring. Loved the way he toughed it out in the Makybe Diva Stakes (1600m), where he took a little while to wind up, but was very good late and was strong through the line, telling me that 2000m is ideal. If the rain came, he’d be on top, but nonetheless, he’ll be very hard to beat.

It’s starting to get close to D-Day for The Offer. First-up run in the Dato was very good, then in the Underwood he was good very late after coming off the bit a fair way from home. Getting out to a trip now, bigger track, fitter and both Gai Waterhouse and Tommy Berry have been bullish the past week about this horse’s chances come Saturday.

Selections
Happy Trails (2), to beat Puissance De Lune (8), The Offer (5) and Lucia Valentina (16).

As I said in my review of the last Flemington meeting on The Roar a couple of weeks back, I was amazed by the win of Chatauqua in the Bobbie Lewis and there is no reason to jump off in the Gilgai.

There is a Group l in him, and with Lankan Rupee not being at his best, the door is open for the next up and coming sprinting superstar -enter Chatauqua. A repeat of his Bobbie Lewis run here and he wins again, even with the weight rise.

If the top tip is off his game, then the one to beat is Temple Of Boom. He was the best of the beaten brigade in the Bobbie Lewis, running second, beaten a comfortable 2.5 lengths. The keys in his favour is that he is a proven straight-track horse, fitter and gets a 6kg weight pull on the top tip, so he certainly comes into consideration for exotics, and is the logical quinella horse.

Star Kiwi mare Bounding makes her Melbourne debut for Ken Kelso after a fabulous Autumn, which saw her win two from two in New Zealand, both at Group l level, before coming to Sydney for the Championships and running a narrow second to Sidestep in the Royal Sovereign (1200m).

The form out of that race has been franked thanks to the likes of In Cahoots, Turquoise King and Chatauqua, who was three lengths behind her there, and meets her at the same weights here. She was due to make her return a couple of weeks back home, but had an elevated temperature and instead resumes here. Her exhibition gallop last week was outstanding and she is certainly a mare who shouldn’t be treated lightly.

Selections
Chatauqua (4) clearly on top, ahead of Temple Of Boom (5), massive watch on Bounding (11), then Flamberge (3).

Will we see the Thousand Guineas winner in the Edward Manifold? I don’t think so, but the race does look to be a good one from a betting perspective.

Fontein Ruby for me here. She strung together two impressive wins at Sportingbet Park and here, then was freshened up and ran a couple of weeks back at Caulfield when a closing fifth to Thinking Of You, who will go around as a leading contender in the Flight Stakes at Randwick, so the form does read well for this, and certainly gives the impression she’ll relish the step up to 1600m. Hard to beat.

Unbeaten filly Maastricht steps up to city level for Team Hawkes after two impressive wins at the provincials, firstly on a bog track at Echuca, then went to Bendigo and was very impressive there against the older horses, running faster time than the better class horses on the same program, and that’s always a good measuring stick. Big class rise, but Team Hawkes know when to push the button.

Royal Ocean comes back to Melbourne after winning the Morphettville Guineas, beating the highly touted Peter Moody filly Betsy in a great finish. She ran the mile out strongly there and was good through the line, so she is one of only a few who are proven at this distance, as well as being rock-hard fit.

Also keep an eye on Little Hottie for Mick Kent. She looked high class when winning on debut recently at Kyneton and can certainly measure up.

Selections
Fontein Ruby (2) in an open race, over Maastricht (9), Royal Ocean (5) and Little Hottie (13), who could be a star.

My best bet comes in the Blazer Stakes, courtesy of Politeness. Loved the way she trialled prior to her first up run in the How Now, where she was wide all the way yet stuck it out strongly and was very good late when a narrow fourth to Girl Guide. Up to 1400m, fitter, good record second up, and has that lethal turn of foot to really put these away if she is ridden with cover and saved for the final 250m. If that eventuates, she wins.

Suavito won first-up at Caulfield, then ran at that track again and looked the winner, only to be nabbed right on the peg by Star Fashion. Gets much needed weight relief now, back to her home track, has the fitness edge and the stable is having a good little run at the moment.

The prospect of a good speed should suit one of the better performed mares in the race, Bonaria, who closed off really well in the Let’s Elope behind Commanding Jewel. The form out of that race has stood up with the likes of Dear Demi and Solicit, so that’s a tick. Gets in pretty well at the weights given her record, drawn to get a soft run and loves Flemington.

Selections
Politeness (4) a special for mine, ahead of Suavito (10), Bonaria (2) and Scratchy Bottom (11).

In other races on the program, the UCI gives us a serious look as to who will be contenders and pretenders in the Derby. I have been loyal so far with Firehouse Rock in his career and there is no reason to jump off I feel.

Who Shot Thebarman looks a special in the Bart Cummings provided Spillway runs in the Metropolitan. He was a strong winner over 2000m last time out and faces a pretty thin field.

The Maribyrnong Trial is always an interesting race to watch, and if you want to have a bet, have something on Mihalic. She looked very sharp in a recent jumpout win at Flemington and handled the straight course beautifully.

The Crowd Says:

2014-10-03T05:11:43+00:00

kv joef

Guest


Anyone give the Q'lder Enquare a chance of ruffling a few feathers in the politness race? interesting insight into the gilgai CR :-) .

2014-10-03T03:46:15+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


I'm sure the Turnbull is as deep or as tricky as people are making out. Only two legitimate winning chances for mine, but of course anything can happen. PDL is the one to beat, and looks an each-way certainty with the run he'll get, the form he's in, and the weight he's carrying. Lucia Valentina, if right, is his main danger. I hope Temple can turn the table on the spruik horse with the weight advantage. I hope Firehouse Rock can defy the weight swings and win again. And I hope Brave Centaur can run a bold race at huge odds in the last. But mainly I just hope I'm right on two or three races across the Melbourne and Sydney cards, in order to break even!

2014-10-02T23:43:24+00:00

ray

Guest


The Gilgai throws up some very good sprinters, no champions here, so far. But Chatauqua wont get it as easy as last time, far less speed here, Flamberge will get a much better chance of controlling the pace, fitter, and pressure up front, much lower than last time. 18 runners last time set a brutal tempo, which slighly flatters Chatauquas win. This event will have so much sit-sprint look about it. Tricky event, i'd rate Chatauqua about a $2.75 chance. with Flamberge at $4.50 & The boom and Bounding at $6.50.

AUTHOR

2014-10-02T23:06:58+00:00

Adam Page

Roar Guru


I like Ryker in the last. Should come over and either control the speed or sit outside Spirits Dance, and those two should dominate from the front, especially with the rail out

2014-10-02T21:21:06+00:00

kv joef

Guest


thats a good race-read too, andrew. i was flummoxed because those that you would expect to go forward are well drawn and really there is no need. maybe too, using your reasoning andrew, i wonder what team-williams are going to do with Green Moon? or maybe they could send Thought Worthy forward to ensure no silliness. That may give sertorious a better run. i think you are the first to mention this quality animal in caul-cup dispatches and with 53kg on arguably his favoured track ...

2014-10-02T13:03:47+00:00

ray

Guest


With an expected field in the Turnball of 16, a handy pace is highly likely. Otherwise it would make it an impossible betting race. Looks to be a few moderately performed types, apart from PDL that'll up there. Race 9 on reading throws up a potential value runner. Our hand of Faith, 2rd up raced on the inside at flemington last start, not the place to be, as most winners came from out wide. Races handy, with proven consistency. I rated it a 7/1 chance. The 12/1 fixed on face value, is good overs.

2014-10-02T09:54:46+00:00

andrew

Guest


i think they will ride sertorious forwards. he best runs in his career are when ridden right on the pace, or leading. don't worry about wide draw, there is a long run to first bend along river side from 2000m start. not saying he will win, but they need to get him tough and ready for caul cup, and he has been high enough up in order of entry, they have been able to take him along slowly this prep, and get him to peak for caul cup. as such, a few runs ridden off the speed early in prep, but as final lead up run and up to 2000m, they will go forward. only needs to run top 5, to prove a top caul cup hope for mine, where the hcp works in his favour. not saying he will win sat, don't think he will, just answering your question.

2014-10-02T07:13:20+00:00

kv joef

Guest


top read ray (copy and race). don't disagree with your racemap but whether there is a solid clip or not changes the whole complexion. i got no prob with you liking Super Cool and why. i've just had a vomit trying to work out the pace and actually who goes to the front ... i am starting with PDL as my top pick but will be open to suggestions. if i could settle on the pace i'd be happier one way or the other. like pussy i suppose - for all the crap people go on with he is pretty honest. Adam is plumbing for Happy Trails and he was great last start too and we know once he hits form he is liable to stay there. agree with Adam and Brent about The Offer's DDay but i reckon most trainers would just hope to see their horse finishing this race off like their was more in the tank. Remember last year - the race cost Nash Cash the ride on Fiorente and Hawkspur was stiff let alone happy go lucky and pussy de loon turning the finish into a classic ... maybe i better go look at last years race.

2014-10-02T06:48:40+00:00

ray

Guest


The Turnball as nearly always looks a great race. To sum up some of the chances like Silent Achiever, well so far in melb, she's showing chinks in her armour.Saturday's firm track wont help either. PDL likes the track, but looks to have peaked, firm going against as well. Super Cool looks as if set for this, Underwood run, very promising, and headquarters is the place he can properly let down. Going for his 8th Gr1 race in a row Saturday, which says a bit about what Mr Kavanagh thinks of his horse. Lidari maps well in Turnball, should race handy and his run in Underwood carting field up, yet holds down fourth, gives him a chance here. Lucia Valentia lighly weighted Maps back near last on rails. Her first race at Flemington. The risk with her is her sprint could get dragged out of her, especially with all the muscle-bound males racing so proximate. She also has to contest with probable traffic problems and a, likely very firm track. Her campaign also has that sudden jump to the 2000. Risky for mine, although she's well weighted. I like the value runners Super Cool and a smaller bet on Lidari. But concede it's a tough race that looks a BEAUTY!

2014-10-02T06:42:14+00:00

kv joef

Guest


this has got to be the scariest race in the world this weekend?

2014-10-02T03:45:06+00:00

kv joef

Roar Guru


No worries ... boban is in 4.00pm at Randwick

2014-10-01T23:39:21+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


Count me in if there is Bourban. I also love the look of Happy Trails who had that eye catching run a few starts back. But I'm also big on PDL so it gets my tip. As you said Adam it's now or never for The Offer and Lucia Valentina is also another chance in this one as you have stated. I agree with everything else in what should be a good sideshow to the main events of Sydney.

AUTHOR

2014-10-01T23:09:59+00:00

Adam Page

Roar Guru


Feel free to share that bourbon haha

2014-10-01T22:57:28+00:00

kv joef

Roar Guru


Great opening salvo again adam. before doing some number-crunching, i like where the grey is at too but i've just been told on another thread that the grey is a brown and the he is a she :) . suppose i need to upgrade the glasses or bourbon or both. what adam? no MV this week? did the racing-roarers knock your prices off last week? they are like that you know.

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