Four Nations: Who made the cut, and who are the notable omissions

By TeamListGuy / Roar Rookie

The Four Nations squads have been released, so let’s take a look at the notable omissions from each squad, each team’s top 17, and my overall thoughts.

Samoa
Tim Lafai, Joey Leilua, Peter Mata’utia, Tautau Moga, Dominique Peyroux, Tim Simona, Kyle Stanley, Daniel Vidot, Antonio Winterstein, Pita Godinet, Penani Manumaleali’i, Ben Roberts, Michael Sio, Leeson Ah Mau, David Fa’alogo, Mose Masoe, Suaia Matagi, Suaso Sue, Isaac Liu, Dunamis Lui, Reni Maitua, Frank Pritchard, Sam Tagataese

Notable omissions
Steve Matai and Nu Brown (injured).

Anthony Milford is ineligible after switching his allegiances and playing for Queensland under 20s mid-year, and Josh McGuire and Sione Mata’utia weren’t named due to their involvement in the Prime Minister’s XIII. Samoa have only named 23 of their allowed 24-man squad though, obviously they’re waiting to see if one of those two men miss out on the Australian squad.

Top 17
(Assuming that McGuire will get a Kangaroos call-up due to their shortage of props and Mata’utia comes into this squad.)

1.Peter Mata’utia, 2.Sione Mata’utia, 3.Tim Lafai, 4.Joey Leilua, 5.Daniel Vidot, 6.Ben Roberts, 7.Penani Manumalealii, 8.Suaia Matagi, 9.Michael Sio, 10.David Fa’alogo(c), 11.Frank Pritchard(vc), 12.Leeson Ah Mau, 13.Isaac Liu, 14.Reni Maitua, 15.Mose Masoe, 16.Dunamis Lui, 17.Sam Tagataese

Note: Suaia Matagi is also in the Kiwis squad, with a battle over his eligibility currently taking place. I expect Harrison Hansen to come in if Matagi becomes unavailable for Samoa.

Final thoughts
Samoa have pulled together a decent side. They have some exciting young talents in the Mata’utia brothers, Tim Lafai and Hornby Panther product Penani Manumalealii, who was very good in the mid-year Test against Tonga.

There’s also experienced players like Maitua, Pritchard, Fa’alogo and Roberts. Unfortunately what they are missing is a superstar or two.

They could test the top-three nations and have some entertaining matches, but are probably still destined to lose all their games by 20 points or more.

England
Josh Charnley, Ryan Hall, Zak Hardaker, Michael Shenton, Joe Burgess, Sam Tomkins, Kallum Watkins, Stefan Ratchford, Matty Smith, Dan Sarginson, Garreth Widdop, Darryl Clark, Josh Hodgson, George Burgess, Tom Burgess, James Graham, Chris Hill, Liam Farrell, Mike Cooper, Brett Ferres, Sean O’Loughlin, Joel Tomkins, Elliot Whitehead, Joe Westerman

Notable omissions
James Roby and Michael McIllorum have made themselves unavailable to recover from injuries, the great Kevin Sinfield chose to retire from the international arena earlier this year, and the man who is widely regarded as the best forward and toughest player in the game, Sam Burgess, is sadly moving on to chase a dream in rugby union.

Top 17
1.Sam Tomkins, 2.Josh Charnley, 3.Zak Hardaker, 4.Kallum Watkins, 5.Ryan Hall, 6.Garreth Widdop, 7.Matty Smith, 8.George Burgess, 9.Darryl Clark, 10.James Graham(vc), 11.Brett Ferres, 12.Elliot Whitehead, 13.Sean O’Loughlin(c), 14.Josh Hodgson, 15.Liam Farrell, 16.Chris Hill, 17.Tom Burgess

Final thoughts
The English are developing a very very good squad, with a lot of world-class players.

Sam Tomkins will be better for his time in the NRL and was in scintilating form towards the back end of the season. Ryan Hall is arguably the world’s best winger. Garreth Widdop has had an exceptional year, as has Chris Hill, and James Graham has been absolutely sensational, he is hands down the best prop in the game at the moment.

2014 Man of Steel winner Darryl Clark is a more than adequate replacement for Roby, and Sean O’Loughlin has been a great captain for Wigan over the years.

Although Sam Burgess is a huge loss to the game, his two younger brothers are developing into big stars in their own right, with George arguably the man of the match in the NRL grand final.

It may not be this year but I expect them to win a major tournament at some stage over the next few years.

New Zealand
Gerard Beale, Sosaia Feki, Peta Hiku, Shaun Kenny-Dowall, Jason Nightingale, Manu Vatuvei, Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Dean Whare, Kieran Foran, Shaun Johnson, Thomas Leuluai, Siliva Havili, Issac Luke, Jesse Bromwich, Suaia Matagi, Sam Moa, Martin Taupau, Adam Blair, Lewis Brown, Greg Eastwood, Tohu Harris, Simon Mannering, Kevin Proctor, Jason Taumalolo

Notable omissions
Roosters pair Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Jared Waerea-Hargreaves have been left out due to burnout. Konrad Hurrell, Ben Matulino and Sam Kasiano will all miss the tournament due to injury, and the two that battled over the fullback spot during last year’s World Cup have both been sensationally left out due to below-par 2014 campaigns.

Top 17
1.Gerard Beale, 2.Jason Nightingale, 3.Shaun Kenny-Dowall, 4.Dean Whare, 5.Manu Vatuvei, 6.Kieran Foran(vc), 7.Shaun Johnson, 8.Jesse Bromwich, 9.Issac Luke, 10.Sam Moa, 11.Kevin Proctor, 12.Simon Mannering(c), 13.Jason Taumalolo, 14.Lewis Brown, 15.Greg Eastwood, 16.Martin Taupau, 17.Tohu Harris

Final thoughts
Once again the New Zealanders have got an exceptionally talented group, one that rivals the Aussies. They have a number of world-class front rowers to cover the losses of Matulino, Kasiano and Waerea-Hargreaves. In fact, the only possible weakness is in the important number 1 jumper.

Tuivasa-Sheck is obviously the future in this postition but with him out and Kearney opting not to select Josh Hoffman, Kevin Locke or even Sam Perrett, they are without their top four fullbacks. That leaves Gerard Beale and Anzac Test incumbent Peta Hiku to once again stake their claim.

Still, the Kiwis been presented with the best opportunity to get one over their trans-Tasman rivals that they’ve had in years. They get a home final should they make it, and the Aussies are extremely depleted this year.

I’m tipping the Kiwis to take out the tournament.

Australia
The Kangaroos are still to name their squad, with the Prime Minister’s XIII taking on Papua New Guinea this weekend, but I’ll still give my point of view on what I think the squad will look like.

Squad
Greg Inglis, Jarryd Hayne, Matt Moylan, Michael Jennings, Dylan Walker, Daniel Tupou, Josh Mansour, Daly Cherry-Evans, Cooper Cronk, Ben Hunt, Josh Reynolds, Cameron Smith(c), Robbie Farah, Aaron Woods, Josh McGuire, Dylan Napa, Josh Papalii, Sam Thaiday, Ryan Hoffman, Greg Bird, Boyd Cordner, Corey Parker, Aiden Guerra, Josh Jackson

Notable omissions
Where do I start? Australia have that many of their key personnel out that they could name a team of their unavailable players that would win this tournament:

Billy Slater, Brett Morris, Justin Hodges, Josh Morris, Darius Boyd, Josh Dugan, Johnathan Thurston, Matt Scott, Luke Lewis, James Tamou, Matt Gillett, Nate Myles, Paul Gallen, Will Hopoate, Trent Merrin, Andrew Fifita, Dave Taylor.

Gallen is serving his drugs ban, Boyd is dealing with mental issues, and all the rest are either injured or too fatigued to take part.

I decided to leave Alex Johnston out in favour of Josh Mansour because although he’s an exceptional talent who will likely develop into a superstar of our sport, tackle-breaking machine Mansour is more deserving at this stage. Mansour’s numbers have been outstanding all year, he is one of the best ball-runners in the game.

Top 17
1.Greg Inglis, 2.Josh Mansour, 3.Jarryd Hayne, 4.Michael Jennings, 5.Daniel Tupou, 6.Daly Cherry-Evans, 7.Cooper Cronk, 8.Aaron Woods, 9.Cameron Smith(c), 10.Josh Papalii, 11.Sam Thaiday, 12.Ryan Hoffman, 13.Greg Bird(vc), 14.Josh Reynolds, 15.Boyd Cordner, 16.Josh McGuire, 17.Corey Parker

Final thoughts
There is a huge gap to fill in the Australian team with a large number of incumbents unavailable, making the Kangaroos the most vulnerable they have been in years.

But that doesn’t mean they even come close to being easy-beats. They still field a team that is strong across the park with no apparent weaknesses.

I expect new stars to shine in the spotlight and although this team may not be nearly as strong as what it could be, they rightfully still come into the 2014 Four Nations as favourites.

The Crowd Says:

2014-10-12T20:42:15+00:00

Dallas

Guest


I wouldnt be surprised if they both get a chance at fullback, hayne definitely deserves it as much as Inglis does

2014-10-12T20:37:44+00:00

Dallas

Guest


Not any more, maybe in the 90s and early 2000s, but these days 95% of lock forwards just tackle and take hitups same as a front rower. Most ball playing back rowers now play on edge as a 2nd rower eg - Stewart, bird, Mateo, SBW and tony Williams.

2014-10-12T19:46:39+00:00

Alex L

Roar Rookie


Similar position on the field, and certainly some guys play the positions almost alike -- Gallen at Lock is basically Prop #3, but some play more like a second five eighth taking some extra hit ups. Parker at least plays quite differently. The ruck isn't much faster than last year at all.

2014-10-12T15:27:22+00:00

Ben Lewis

Guest


I still think Jarryd Hayne needs more time in the position he plays the best... Yeah he played amazing at center but he practically dragged NSW to a win in Origin I (no it wasn't just him but a big part definitely was) but this is a guy who won the co Dally M Medal plus won Fullback of the Year. Why does Inglis get the No. 1 Jersey?

2014-10-12T11:16:39+00:00

Dallas

Guest


lock and prop do pretty much the same job. And with the speed of the ruck they way it is you are better off to have defensively mobile front rowers rather than bigger slower props that leave holes and get caught out in a defence. The game is won and lost in the ruck and the more mobile and fitter your middle forwards are the better. The game is ten times faster than what it was last year and the mould of the front rower is changing.

2014-10-12T01:43:11+00:00

Matt

Guest


Debatable, he often leads the penalty count.

2014-10-12T01:33:11+00:00

Alex L

Roar Rookie


In a world where Parker is playing at prop in club games for some inexplicable reason.

2014-10-11T17:07:43+00:00

Silver Sovereign

Guest


in what world does Bird get ahead of Parker at lock? Parker has been the best lock for at least the last 2 years. And I would certainly not name bird as any kind of leader.

2014-10-11T05:21:02+00:00

Alex L

Roar Rookie


Lillyman and Woods should be the starting props. The article omitted Lillyman from the squad list in error I expect.

2014-10-10T21:46:01+00:00

Dallas

Guest


I think the aussies need to go with experienced forwards to start and then bring the up and comers off the bench.. mobility will be the name of the game for the aussies. While they have plenty of props out injured they still have heaps of good middle forwards who can do a similar job but play longer minutes and then bring on some impact players like papalo, jackson, cordner to name a few. But thaiday and parker have played all year in the middle so they wouldbe my front rowers and guerra has been one of tthe best middles in the nrl this year so id pick him at lock. And hoffman anf bird are pretty much auto selections in the backrow. I think this would make a tough, mobile pack with plenty of offloads and defensively would be impenetrable

2014-10-10T20:52:55+00:00

Steve

Guest


How the hell does Josh Reynolds get a spot? Has been really ordinary since origin and even in those games the only thing he really contributed was niggle.

2014-10-10T20:04:41+00:00

cedric

Guest


would you put Feki/Watene in front of Sheck, I wouldn't. I think they are all talented but Watene is brand new and I'm sure the Roosters wouldn't swap Sheck for either. Being a winger it helps to have a good center inside you. One of the best centers, I believe, for putting his winger away, is Whare. I thought, I maybe wrong, it was the Roosters who said they like going to war with Jared leading from the front? If that's the case and a whole forward pack has the same passion, you win. Just take a look at the Manly pack, they were all JWH boofheads, until ofcourse 4 of them were out injured, but even that likeable Island boy off the bench was in JWH mold. Come to think about it, where did JWH get his training, MANLY!

2014-10-10T13:09:57+00:00

roosters14

Guest


Imo Hargreaves and sheck will not be missed. Jwh was a liability for the roosters with his in discipline and sheck had a terrible finals series were he looked jaded and got carted back repeatedly when returning kicks.

2014-10-10T11:42:34+00:00

Alex L

Roar Rookie


Some needs to explain to me how Papalii and Napa are in the Kangaroo squad. Injuries accounted for, there are better forwards, especially Props which is where they'll likely play.

2014-10-10T04:51:49+00:00

Maroon Blood

Guest


After his outstanding debut in Origin III, I would have Will Chambers ahead of Mansour for a wing spot. Certainly he should be in the final squad as he has shown he can step his game up at the top Rep level.

2014-10-10T00:11:39+00:00

Scott Pryde

Expert


Maybe its an optimistic outlook on things as a dragons supporter, but I wouldn't mind seeing Mike Cooper in the England side.

2014-10-09T23:47:58+00:00

The eye

Guest


A few young blokes in to spark the side.. Moylan Mansour Hayne Inglis Walker Cherry Cronk Guerra Bird Hoffman Thaiday Cam Parker. still looks too good for the other 3 sides..

2014-10-09T23:03:30+00:00

Ken

Guest


I think Australia are going to win by the length of the straight. They still have, by a fair margin, the strongest team on paper and with so many new players, no-one will be taking it for granted.

2014-10-09T22:25:40+00:00

cedric

Guest


for me the best fullback over the last month is Perrett. Beale has been ordinary for the Dragons. Sheck burnt out is a joke. Au'vaa missing, a joke. I think Manu and Nightingale are good though, as so are Whare and SKD, but no Au'vaa in the squad! Josh Reynolds, I'd put Adam there.

2014-10-09T21:11:02+00:00

Rod

Guest


On the Australian front. I would have AJ over Topou .i can't see how Josh Reynolds makes the team.

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