Debating Warne's all-time Australian ODI side

By Ronan O'Connell / Expert

Shane Warne last week announced his all-time Australian ODI side during the fourth Test against India at the SCG. I disagreed with several of his selections, which prompted me to name my own line-up.

Allan Border was, in my opinion, a better Test batsman than either Steve Waugh or Ricky Ponting. But he was a limited ODI batsmen in comparison to many that came after him so, sorry Warney, but he can’t get a gig in my side.

Greg Chappell certainly was not limited in 50-over cricket and, to my mind, is the only Australian Test batsman superior to Border apart, of course, from Sir Donald Bradman.

Did he do enough, however, in his comparatively brief ODI career to earn his place in Warne’s XI ahead of other batsmen who excelled over two or three times as many matches? Not quite, I believe.

Throughout his turbulent international career, Mitchell Johnson has always remained a potent ODI bowler, regardless of how badly he was spraying the red ball. He got the nod in Warne’s side but can’t find a place in mine.

Bizarrely, Warne omitted not just from his starting line-up but also from his list of five reserves arguably the greatest Australian ODI player of all time, Michael Bevan.

Here is my team and five reserves, followed by Warne’s choices:

My all-time Australian ODI team
1. M. Waugh (8500 runs at 39, with 18 centuries from 244 matches, plus 85 wickets at 35)
2. A. Gilchrist (9595 runs at 36, with 16 centuries from 286 matches)
3. R. Ponting (13589 at 42, with 29 centuries from 374 matches)
4. D. Jones (6068 runs at 45, with seven centuries from 164 matches)
5. M. Clarke (7762 runs at 45, with eight centuries from 238 matches, plus 56 wickets at 38)
6. M. Bevan (6912 runs at 54, with six hundreds from 232 matches)
7. A. Symonds (5088 runs at 40, with six hundreds from 198 matches, plus 133 wickets at 37).
8. B. Lee (380 wickets at 23, with 14 hauls of four wickets or more from 221 matches).
9. S. Warne (291 wickets at 26, with 12 hauls of four wickets or more from 221 matches).
10. D. Lillee (103 wickets at 21, with five hauls of four of more wickets from 63 matches).
11. G. McGrath (380 wickets at 22, with nine hauls of four of more wickets from 249 matches)

My reserves
1. S. Watson (5421 runs at 41, with nine centuries from 178 matches, plus 164 wickets at 31).
2. M. Hayden (6131 runs at 41, with ten centuries from 160 matches).
3. M. Hussey (5442 runs at 48, with three centuries from 185 matches).
4. S. Waugh (7569 runs at 33, with three centuries from 325 matches, plus 195 wickets at 35).
5. C. McDermott (203 wickets at 25 from 128 matches, with four hauls of four wickets or more).

Warne’s team: M. Waugh, A. Gilchrist, R. Ponting, G. Chappell, M. Clarke, A. Border, A. Symonds, M. Johnson, S. Warne, D. Lillee, G. McGrath. Warne’s reserves: M. Hayden, D. Jones, M. Hussey, G. Gilmour, B. Lee.

Adam Gilchrist was a straightforward choice to open the batting but I did ponder over his partner. Brutish left hander Matthew Hayden terrified opposition bowlers every bit as much as Gilchrist did.

It was Mark Waugh’s sublime fielding and handy off spin and medium pace that edged him ahead of Hayden. Ponting, like Gilchrist, needs no explanation at first drop.

Dean Jones, along with Michael Bevan, were the omissions from Warne’s side I found most surprising. Jones was a trailblazer in Australian ODI cricket, looking to dominate attacks when others were content to nudge around at four runs per over.

He also led the way with his hyper-aggressive running between wickets which saw later Australian sides become the best in the world at putting fieldsmen under pressure.

Clarke’s position at five in my side is likely to cause some conjecture, such are the varied sentiments towards Australia’s Test and ODI skipper. There were several others who would not look out of place in his spot, most notably Chappell and his former teammate Mike Hussey.

But Clarke’s lack of input in coloured clothing over recent years – the result of his frail body – should not distract from his immense achievements. Among the other top 30 runscorers in ODI history, only one player has a higher career average than Clarke – Indian skipper MS Dhoni.

Together with his remarkable fielding and useful bowling, Clarke at his peak was an invaluable player.

Behind Clarke at six is Bevan, who I until now assumed was an automatic inclusion in everyone’s all-time Australian ODI team.

Not in Warne’s though. Only Ponting and Gilchrist could challenge Bevan for the title of his country’s greatest-ever 50-over player.

I considered including Watson as the side’s chief all-rounder at the expense of Andrew Symonds but realised such a selection would ensure another day of Roar debate centred around Australia’s most controversial player.

Symonds was no better with the bat than Watson, and a far lesser bowler, but his fielding was vastly superior and he is also more suited to batting at seven than Watson whose success has come at the top of the order.

Warne and Glenn McGrath are givens in any Australian ODI attack. Brett Lee, though, arguably had a 50-over career the equal of either of those legends.

Similar to Johnson, Lee had an inconsistent Test career but was wonderfully reliable and destructive in coloured clothing.

His ability to hoop the white ball late at more than 150km/h was too much for many opposition batsmen. I’d offer him the chance to share the new ball with his country’s supreme quick, Dennis Lillee.

So, what do you reckon Roarers – did Warne hit the mark, or was my team better? What would yours be?

The Crowd Says:

2015-09-28T05:21:31+00:00

padmanaban

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Hi sobers played one one day match only... 1.gayle 2.greenidge 3.richards 4.lara 5.chanderpaul 6.hooper c 7.ridley jacobs wk 8.marshall 9.garner 10.walsh 11.ambrose

2015-01-19T00:00:53+00:00

Rob

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Hayden Gilchrist Ponting Jones Hussey Bevan Symonds Lee Warne Lillee McGrath

2015-01-18T12:41:07+00:00

Johnno

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Clavers Greg Chappell's strike rate was 75 in the era of the Great west indies, and Ian Botham,Bob Willis,John Snow,and Hadlee,and faced Imran Khan,Kapil Dev,and the good sub-continent spinners, etc. SR 75 in the era of less good bats, poorer lights, and poorer padding, less ropes etc. Ponting's strike rate is 80 in the time when all the bowlers and batters benifited from the mod-cons, better training, and shorter boundaries,power plays, batter friendly wickets,better lights,better training techniques for batters and bowlers, so Greg Chappel's SR would be about 80-85 like Ponting, so he was no faster or slower than ponting. And he played alot of cricket when ODI'S were 60 overs, so he had to face longer west indies fast bowler spells.

2015-01-18T12:34:35+00:00

Johnno

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Clavers it's the ODI side. Sober's only played 1 ODI game.

2015-01-18T12:21:46+00:00

Clavers

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To put it another way, if a 25 year old who is a perfect replica of Greg Chappell from 1975 were playing cricket today, exactly the same as Chappell played then, he might not get picked in the current Australian ODI side because Chappell didn't score quickly enough or hit enough sixes. But if Chappell had been born 30 or 40 years later than he actually was, he would have trained differently, been taught differently, spent more time in the gym and wielded a more powerful bat. So he may well have hit more boundaries and scored faster.

2015-01-18T02:22:04+00:00

New York Hawk

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Desmond Haynes???

2015-01-17T18:31:28+00:00

Johnno

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Clavers That's irrelevant. As the past or the present don't need to buckle to each other about which players would dominate in what era's, what's the important measurement is who dominated in what era's.

2015-01-17T18:28:56+00:00

Johnno

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Checked the stats Willie Watson's were better overall, Larsen played in a time of more ropes etc, but Willie Watson's were good.

2015-01-17T18:02:49+00:00

Armchair Expert

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Ponting's strike rate increase probably coincided with the advent of shorter boundaries, power plays and thicker bats.

2015-01-17T17:50:55+00:00

Armchair Expert

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You can't leave out Gavin Larsen, he had one of the best ODI economy rates and was a handy batsman.

2015-01-17T13:49:22+00:00

Clavers

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The difficult part of this exercise is considering the great players of the seventies and eighties like Greg Chappell and Border, who dominated their contemporaries but in an era when ODI cricket was a different game. Do we assume they would play the way they actually did, or the way they would have played if they had been born 20 years later?

2015-01-17T13:46:39+00:00

Clavers

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Also, a strength of Bevan was hitting the ball for 2. He would charge out of his crease, flick it past square leg or midwicket from outside of stump and hare back to the danger end for the second run. I don't think Ian Healy was unfit, but I remember him turning red a puffing like a stem train trying to keep up with Bevo.

2015-01-17T13:42:43+00:00

Clavers

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How about both? Batting Mark Waugh at 4?

2015-01-17T13:41:16+00:00

Clavers

Guest


Sorry Johnno, Epic Fail I'm afraid. You left out Garry Sobers. He is your first man picked in any West Indies all-time XI. Best batsman, best fieldsman (yes, better even than Viv Richards as both batsman and fieldsman) and your automatic fifth bowler (and sixth bowler for that matter, if you consider Sobers the fast bowler and Sobers the spinner). Sobers in Chanderpaul out. Other than that, I'd say you have it about right, although I would lean towards Michael Holding ahead of Roberts.

2015-01-17T12:38:00+00:00

Prosenjit majumdar

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Made a mistake, Kp is a must and better than both lamb and gower :-)

2015-01-17T12:09:29+00:00

jamesb

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My Sri Lankan team S.Jayasuriya T.Dilshan K.Sangakkara M.Jayawardene A.De Silva A. Ranatunga A.Mathews C.Vass J.Mendis L.Malinga M.Muralitharan Handy players that have missed out Attapatu, Mahanama, Hashan Tillerkeratne, Gurusinha, Fernando, Perera, Hereath, Arnold, Tharanga and Kalu.

2015-01-17T11:52:36+00:00

Nudge

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And Ambrose At his best Hadlee Botham Waqar Younis Wasim Akram Kapil Dev. The fast bowling in the 80's we will never see again. I'd say Ponting and Clarke got the getter spinners though. Kumble, Harbajan Saqlain Vettori Murali

2015-01-17T10:29:25+00:00

Johnno

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@Prosenjit Here yo go to remind you of Kapil Devs power hitting, in the 80's before modern bats some of his big hitting was like todays big hitters Afridi,Pollard with out a modern bat. ICC named Kapil Dev as it's all rounder not Imran Khan in ODI cricket. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFwGJFlLg0c

2015-01-17T09:31:15+00:00

Johnno

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@Prosenjit one change to your English XI. Alan Lamb in for David Gower. Lamb avaraged 39, Gower 30, same strike rate. James Anderson has a better strike rate, but is more expenisve, but in the era of ropes and power plays.

2015-01-17T07:00:47+00:00

Prosenjit majumdar

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Kalu yes dangerous player,too inconsistent.btw this my english XI: denis amiss/trescothick, nick knight, robin smith, graeme hick, gower, botham,josh butler, flintoff, swann, broad, bob willis.

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