Group 1 CF Orr Stakes: Full preview and top tips

By Cameron Rose / Expert

Group 1 racing in 2014-15 returns to Australia this Saturday with the CF Orr Stakes (1400m), the first of 42 more races we’ll see at the highest level this season.

The CF Orr Stakes, run at the late time of 5:50pm AEDT on Saturday, has a list of winners to compare with any race on the calendar.

In recent times winners have included gun colt All Too Hard, horse-of-the-year winning mares Black Caviar and Typhoon Tracy, Cox Plate winners Maldivian and El Segundo, plus the likes of Elvstroem, Lohnro and Redoute’s Choice.

Go further back and we see Saintly, Jeune, Let’s Elope, winning trebles from Vo Rogue and Manikato, plus Surround, Rising Fast and Flight.

In summary, it’s a good horse’s race.

We can be reasonably confident no horse in this year’s field that will end their careers rivalling any of the above, but it’s a race of some classy types and honest triers, any of which could salute on the day.

Dissident is the short-priced favourite, despite failing when in the red first-up in the Australia Stakes. While he should have had lengths on that field at weight for age, he’s never really been a 1200-metre horse, with no wins from five starts at the distance.

He had a few things against and never looked entirely comfortable in his first go at Moonee Valley, but did hit the line well once he straightened up. He deserves to be favourite, as any Memsie Stakes winner should be in this.

The somewhat unknown three-year-olds are next in the market, and the only other two under double-figure odds.

Petrology won the Sandown Guineas in awesome fashion at the end of the Melbourne spring carnival, and backed it up upon resumption with a mighty effort in the Manfred Stakes on Australia day. He carried weight and, after getting back from a wide barrier, came home like a hungry dog for dinner.

The only horse he couldn’t get past that day was Java, who has progressed from maiden class to Group 3 winner with his last four victories on end. He shouldn’t have too many problems getting a nice spot from a wide barrier, and will be trying to pinch a break at the home turn.

Entirely Platinum, Spillway and Star Rolling all burst on the scene in the spring, but ended up promising more than they delivered. Their best runs were their first in those campaigns, each of them over 1400 metres, which gives them some case first-up tomorrow if they bring that form.

Happy Trails tends to deliver more than he promises, and rarely lets you down if you stick with him for a campaign. He takes a while to get going in the spring, but will have residual fitness on his side first-up here. He’ll likely have to storm over the top of them from last, but if he’s fit enough he’s can do it.

Real Love is the Perth raider coming off a picket fence of staying wins in his hometown, looking to drop back 1000 metres six weeks after his last race. The interesting runner, but no thanks.

Mourhino beat Dissident in that Australia Stakes, and has three wins from his last six starts, with winning prices of $31 and $20 among them. He’ll be a similar quote tomorrow due to his very best form being at the Valley, but must be a huge trifecta and blow-out winning chance from a cosy draw.

Toydini has never really lived up to lofty expectations, but is the kind of horse that some punters will want a piece of at long odds, even if he is likely to be in need of the run.

Sonntag will jump at big odds. The form behind his last three wins, including a Sale Cup and Queensland Derby, hasn’t really stood up to any kind of level, so there are questions marks over his quality in these kinds of races.

Mouro is an honest battler that can beat home more than beat him on a good day. Aeronautical is outgraded at WFA. Bagman and Beaten Up are the token Chris Waller Group 1 runners, down to Melbourne after decent first-up runs in the Expressway on soft ground.

The tempo shouldn’t be any more than even, and while a brand new track should favour those on the rail early in the day, it’s hard to know what impact this will have by race eight.

Selections
1. Dissident
2. Mourhino
3. Java
4. Happy Trails

Elsewhere around the country, the Light Fingers pits the best fillies in the land against each other. Mossfun will be seen for the first time since her Golden Slipper win, while First Seal and Amicus have the three-year-old runs on the board.

The Apollo Stakes sees the usual Waller WFA suspects against mares with Cox Plate and Caulfield Cup form in Silent Achiever and Lucia Valentina. Ninth Legion is maturing into a nice horse, and they’ll know he’s there somewhere.

And back in Melbourne, the fillies and colts do battle in their respective Blue Diamond Prelude’s. The fillies appear to have the edge at this point in time, or at least a more solidified pecking order. All of that can and probably will change tomorrow.

The Crowd Says:

2015-02-13T23:31:11+00:00

BrisburghPhil

Roar Guru


A bit like Mourinho progressive as a 7yo Cam. Not much difference really and our WFA stocks are very questionable atm.

2015-02-13T21:36:33+00:00

andrew

Guest


alpine eagle the best of the day over in adelaide race 5. griante best value for the day in the last at caul.

2015-02-13T12:01:05+00:00

Bondy

Guest


" As for Bagman, there’s nothing like a progressive 8yo is there!" . Got me I'll pay that . Lol .. With Dissident though being a former " bleeder ' and already confirmed for stud duties the pressure is on . I hope he does well I dont like to bag top shelf horses but the Breeders get the say here about what Dissident's racing future is not Moody,unfortunately ...

AUTHOR

2015-02-13T10:03:53+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


Very early call on Dissident there Bondy. I think he was in the wrong spot at a track he didn't like over a distance that was too short. All three of those won't apply tomorrow, so we'll have some answers. I think he's entitled to be seen as the one to beat. As for Bagman, there's nothing like a progressive 8yo is there!

AUTHOR

2015-02-13T09:56:23+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


Fair point Phil, but while this isn't a strong Orr, it's still many lengths better than the horses she's been meeting around this distance range in Perth. I actually always felt Mr Moet was a 1600-1800m, and I'm not sure that's the case with Real Love. It won't shock me to see her run well, but I can't concede her a chance.

2015-02-13T09:55:30+00:00

Bondy

Guest


BP Bagman's form appears better in Mlb than Syd ,my point is he's second up and has not been beaten far by some decent horses ,overall I feel he's a 10 furlong horse and the Aus Cup would appear on the agenda, Is Bagman a better horse than Happy Trails ?, I dont think so but fitter at this point in time I believe and possibly a decent e way bet . I just note Dissident has to stand up tomorrow he won the Grp 1 Memsie Stks by 2 lengths first up last prep then the Makybe at his next start, one could suggest that tomorrow could actually be D Day for him in relation to his stud prospects .The Orr appears to me overall to have a lot of Grp 2 horses in it ...

2015-02-13T08:51:59+00:00

BrisburghPhil

Roar Guru


Hey Bondy Bagman left handed vs right handed tracks!!

2015-02-13T08:06:10+00:00

BrisburghPhil

Roar Guru


Great preview Cam. Only thing I don't agree with is your assessment of REAL LOVE. I think she is a really nice each way chance with residual fitness, and comes off the same formline as Mr Moet did when 3rd in this race 2 years ago to All Too Hard. I don't think this is as hard and she probably has more upside than Mr M did at the same stage. Same trainer too

AUTHOR

2015-02-12T23:29:26+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


Thanks Bondy. Agree with all of that, especially Petrology and Dissident. Melham will be looking to box seat, and that should be as far back as he wants to be.

AUTHOR

2015-02-12T23:27:06+00:00

Cameron Rose

Expert


All good points Brent, and it does appear a wide open race. I won't be backing Dissident at the odds, but I think he did enough after not looking comfortable at MV. His Memsie Stakes win was so impressive against superior rivals to what he'll see tomorrow, and his 1400m record includes that win, the gamest of seconds in the Rupert Clarke giving massive weight to the flying Trust in a Gust, a Hobartville win, and that unbelievable Golden Rose second to Zoustar. I like Petrology as a horse, but my concern is the same as what Bondy points out below. If the pace is strong, which I'm not sure it will be, he and Happy Trails will be charging late.

2015-02-12T23:06:57+00:00

Bondy

Guest


Nice preview Cam . I like Petrology but I feel he's going to be spotting them at least 3-5 lengths turning for home and if they're going to zip home sub 34's then its almost impossible for him .Dissident I feel is a horse best stood over by the hoop and taken right onto the speed for his best wins and winning chance ,lookout for Bagman he's a genuine goer and should fill a place .Spillway is decent fresh so he should be interesting. Happy Trails had 4-5 runs in last prep then won the McKinnon so he's not a fresh horse for mine . I have to wonder what price Mourinho if this was run at the Valley . Word of warning Silent Achiever's never placed at Randwick I expect her to follow that pattern tomorrow . I also agree no horse in the Orr tomorrow will match the deeds by those previous winners mentioned ..

2015-02-12T22:25:58+00:00

Brent Ford

Roar Guru


Good to have you back Cam! Personally I'm going Java on top the wide draw but does have the winning form with Hong Kong Captain. Entirely Platnium right up to these, has only missed the placing once in six starts over 1400m and his first up record is two wins from five starts. Then got to include Dissident based on the star factor but I'm still not convinced Dissident is well and truly back. However not missing the trifecta in four starts second up means he just has to be there at the finish. Tossing in either Mourinho or Real Love for fourth, but I wouldn't write off Happy Trails or Petrology.

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