A ladder pool prediction (part II)

By Cameron Palmer / Roar Guru

Following on from this week’s part I, in which looked at my prediction of the lower pool of six clubs in the AFL in 2015, is today’s look at the middle pool.

This pool has the greatest likelihood for uncertainty given the real contention for spots in this year’s finals series. As the bottom pool showed, teams that are currently thinking finals are going to end up occupying a bottom six position.

I consider these next six teams all capable of playing finals, but only two spots are up for grabs.

Tradition generally dictates that a preliminary final team from the previous season does suffer a stumble in the subsequent season. Given last year was the first time in seven years that the AFL had a semi final upset, it could be those semi final winners are most at risk.

Digging deeper, North Melbourne probably have the biggest concerns by virtue of a more difficult draw and a tough pre-season which has seen a number of key personnel injured.

Not enough is made of teams suffering from underdone pre-seasons. Every year great teams are relegated to good because of early injuries and good teams are relegated to average because of the same reason.

Whether you believe North Melbourne has a great or good list probably dictates on whether you think they can overcome the odds for another finals berth. The slide could be steep meaning finals are missed, or could be minimal making them a dangerous side in a 2015 finals series.

Both expansion clubs have flagged finals expectations for the first time with the Gold Coast via their chairman being the most outspoken to play finals.

Indeed, natural progression has seen the club improve and progress with each passing year and this continued path would likely lead to a finals berth.

However as with most clubs in the finals contending range there are red flags that could see the team drop to the bottom half of the ladder.

This is still very much a team that is dominated by one player and if they were not to get a full season from that one man, the challenge of finals is vastly greater.

On top with a new coach coming in, there has been a need for the first time for this young group to change their game plan and what had become their well known style. How the team adjusts will be telling for the finals reach of the Suns.

The second expansion club GWS is not as certain about their 2015 finals chances, but given the additions to this list over the past two seasons, this side has a finals feel about it. If they can get improvement and career best seasons from the youth.

While the simple analysis is to compare how they stack up against their new franchise rival, the reality is that this is a team that has been constructed very differently.

Instead of relying on a few core pieces, GWS have built a team of role players and now have a strong best 22 made up of pieces that seemingly can fit together to create a winning team.

The real questions on GWS are how quickly the youth develops and handles the long season and whether they have the depth to make a finals run. The answers will dictate whether they can for the first time leapfrog their northern rival.

While these two forced rivals are likely to be mid-table, battles between two traditional rivals could decide finals contenders from also rans. Both Carlton and Collingwood endured disastrous 2014 campaigns and have few neutral fans talking about finals in 2015. But both have the capabilities to play finals if things go right. Should things go wrong, the lower half of the ladder again awaits.

It was controversial, but the reality was that Carlton were a semi final team some 18 months ago. The team has changed over that 18 months, but again, the reality is that the team has improved for the better for the way that Mick Malthouse wants to coach and play.

One of the key developments for Carlton over the past tough 18 month stretch is that the club has unearthed some important role players. The team still relies on star output, but at least they know that other names can make an impact in any given game.

As much as both clubs would hate to admit it, Collingwood are in a very similar position to Carlton in that they have endured a tough 18 months. However, that time has allowed the club to build a team that the coach wants. Results are going to be slowly expected from this point on.

With really four top ten draft picks added to this year’s squad, Collingwood are in a nice position to add to the depth of the club. Combining this with some additions over the off-season and this is a very different team to 2014 and for that reason comparisons between the two seem mute.

A fast start is pivotal, but the dim light of finals is lit heading into 2015.

As for the final club in the middle six, keeping with the theme of writing off Geelong, write Geelong off.

This of course is a choice fraught with peril. This is a team and club that has defied the critics and expectations for the past five years. The experts keep saying one day and Geelong keep proving it wrong. Maybe this is the year that changes.

The talk is about an ageing list but it could be that 2015 is the bigger picture year for Geelong. They will play a role in next year’s free agency and the team could look very different in 2016. For that reason a lull season in 2015 wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing if it meant grabbing a couple of top picks as well as top recruits.

Indeed Geelong could be looking at this year as another year in the development of the next wave of Cats. Unlike past seasons though where the veterans have still led from the front, Geelong may take the step of handing the key moments to the youth.

That could lead to short term losses but open up a lot of long term gains. This Geelong team has surprised before, they could do it again, but on the eve of the season write them off.

At your peril.

Stay tuned later this week for the reasoning behind the top pool of ladder predictions.

The Crowd Says:

2015-02-27T14:01:31+00:00

Gecko

Guest


Cam isn't it a bit vague if you write a 1000 -word assessment of mid-ranking teams without mentioning a single player's name? Delving deeper into vagueness, you inform us, "at least they know that other names can make an impact in any given game." Surely any team has such players. Similarly, your assertion that 'Results are going to be slowly expected from this point on' would surely apply to most teams. You normally present some quirky, thought-provoking angles but this article was a bit vague. Still worth a read but a bit vague.

2015-02-27T05:25:24+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


So do you think those injuries didn't happen? There's some denial there.

2015-02-27T05:21:45+00:00

JoshC

Guest


Or maybe Port just played better in the 2nd half..? 0 points for blaming it on injuries but 10/10 for optimism / delusion in think Freo will be better than last season. I enjoy watching Walters and Fyfe go about their business, very good players. The rest, to old, to slow. Sydney and Hawks still the pace setters and if you want to talk about injuries, what the hawks had to to deal with last year and to still won the flag was a great achievement. Port is closing the gap quickly though and with all things being equal will generally have improved from last year. Same can't be said for Freo though, The window has closed Don and time to start re-building. I wonder where Lyon will go next?

2015-02-27T05:03:27+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


I'm tipping a 7 goal victory for Freo. That was our trajectory in the semi until our 3 in-game injuries before half time. Make that 8 goals...2 goals a quarter better.

2015-02-27T04:56:20+00:00

JoshC

Guest


DonFreo I'm still laughing at your comment last year leading into the GF that the purple pushovers "have been the best team over the last 2 years"..... I haven't been able to take you seriously since but to be fair though, I didn't really before that either. Round 1 is going to be a cracker between Port and Freo. I will be there and will hopefully see a Port victory like the last time they met - it was cracker of game Don, do you remember? On a side note, the next few weeks are going to be fantastic for Sport, Cricket and the Footy season starting - you ripper!

2015-02-27T02:19:20+00:00

Franko2

Guest


Im not a Crows supporter but i am bemused that you predict the Crows for a bottom 6 finish despite winning both games against Collingwood last season and never having lost to either the Suns or GWS. I freely admit that there are probably 8 teams which could fill the bottom half of the ladder but surely their list had more talent and is more mature than the teams mentioned above. They were the second highest scoring team last year and lost games purely on poor defence. Predicting GWS has a finals feeling despite still losing games by >100 points... C'mon really

2015-02-27T01:23:53+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Huh?

2015-02-27T01:00:23+00:00

Macca

Guest


Don to use the term once again you have to have done it before.

2015-02-27T00:58:23+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


You'd better settle in and watch the season and, once again, you see that I'll be right. You can keep hoping. Hope is really healthy.

2015-02-27T00:54:41+00:00

Macca

Guest


SO how did a reserves quality player get 29 touches and 12 marks against the mighty Fremantle? Even removing Jamsion & Thomas (for no good reason) and disallowing Kreuzer (despite the fact he will be playing again this season) you are still left with the clubs 3 best on ballers and a key forward V a ruckman, a forward and an onballer - it still doesn't balance out Don.

2015-02-27T00:50:04+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


And they could throw in Beau Waters. They are both on a list but both won't play again. Thomas and Jamison are probably only reserves quality at this stage of their careers...haven't played well for 3seasons. Thomas was just silly recruiting. They are not losses.

2015-02-27T00:48:42+00:00

Macca

Guest


I would say that it is very rare for about 15 players to have surgery (I know the blues only had 4 or 5) and if the surgeries were so minor why are there so many still not in full training?

2015-02-27T00:46:20+00:00

Macca

Guest


Gained who? Higgins & Waite really? Ben Brown is on that surgery list too by the way - the full list was in an article in the Sun a couple of weeks ago but it can't find it at the moment.

2015-02-27T00:45:04+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Some of those surgeries were hair implants, dental prostheses and botox treatments. Every team has a third of their list having off season procedures. It wiser than doing it during the season. Only one or two are significant. Macca loves the drama of "off season surgery".

2015-02-27T00:40:40+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Yep. Have you heard of Andrew Swallow? He's fit now. Are you aware that they have not only lost Greenwood, they actually gained players too. North is not playing with a squad of 26.

2015-02-27T00:12:30+00:00

Macca

Guest


No Don I wouldn't consider missing a ruckman (I could throw Kreuzer into my list as well) a key forward and an onballer is balances out missing our 4 best onballers a key forward and a key defender.

2015-02-27T00:09:25+00:00

Macca

Guest


SO your argument is Don that Black and Harvey will be able to offset the loss in goals form Petrie & Thomas leaving them back at square 1 and that the Thompson & Hansen injuries are significant which weakens them defensively (and that all the other off season injuries and the loss of Greenwood are irrelevant) and despite are tougher draw than 2014 they will go up the ladder?

2015-02-27T00:06:07+00:00

Steve J

Roar Guru


1/3 of your starting 18 missing - not really close to full strength then.

2015-02-27T00:05:27+00:00

Steve J

Roar Guru


No I hadn't - bugger. The roos look like they've been hit by a mack mtruck out in the desert highway somewhere... four wheel skippy just knocked flat (great song Cosmic Psychos)

2015-02-26T23:51:25+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Yes, I noticed yesterday that you'd already started shaping an excuse for them. I suppose you won't consider that is balanced by WC missing Naitanui, Darling and Selwood?

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