Have those in the know already written off the Waratahs in 2015?

By Andrew Logan / Expert

It was in 1906 that scientist and polymath Francis Galton made his discovery of what is known as the wisdom of crowds.

He attended a farmers’ fair in Plymouth where he was intrigued by a weight guessing contest. The goal was to guess the weight of an ox when it was butchered and dressed.

Around 800 people entered the contest and wrote their guesses on tickets. The person who guessed closest to the butchered weight of the ox won a prize.

After the contest Galton took the tickets and ran a statistical analysis. He discovered that the average guess of all the entrants was remarkably close to the actual weight of the butchered ox. In fact it was under by only 1lb for an ox that weighed 1,198 lbs.

This collective guess was not only better than the actual winner of the contest, but also better than the guesses made by cattle experts at the fair. It seemed that democracy of thought could produce amazing results.

However, to benefit from the wisdom of crowds several conditions had to be in place. First each individual member of the crowd must have their own independent source of information. Second they must make individual decisions and not be swayed by the decisions of those around them. And third, there must be a mechanism in place that can collate these diverse opinions.

If we accept that Galton’s premise is true, then we can assume that a betting market might give us some useful indicators as to who might eventually win the Super Rugby competition – or perhaps more pertinently, who will not.

I perused the odds on offer from punters this afternoon on one of the major betting exchanges, specifically the odds across the Super Rugby competition on who would win the final. This was not because I am any sort of gambler, but because I happen to think that Galton’s crowd is often right. Also because betting exchanges meet the criteria for the wisdom of crowds to function correctly.

To the first condition, the sources of pre-punt information are certainly diverse – punters will read different newspapers, source different online updates, use different apps, support different teams, and talk to different groups of peers and friends.

Second, punters usually make individual decisions, in fact most punt in private and rarely share their pending bets with anyone (until they win at least!).

Third, the betting site itself acts as a mechanism for collating diverse opinions from across the globe.

So what we have is a ready-made gauge on the wisdom of crowds as it pertains to Super Rugby. (Remember a betting exchange is essentially punters betting against each other, not a bookmaker offering odds to punters. And yes, yes, I know bookies use exchanges too).

Now, this particular exchange offers an unusual additional function. In addition to the “back” bet, it also offers a “lay” bet. Understanding the lay bet made my head hurt in the beginning, so I’ll try to dumb it down for all of us.

Whereas the “back” bet is you saying to another person, I will back this team to win the tournament….the “lay” bet is you saying I will back this team to lose the tournament. You can bet on a team to “not win”.

The odds offered on the “back” bet on an exchange are very similar to the odds offered by the corporate bookmakers on the various teams. The “lay” side, however, is where we can see the wisdom of the crowd.

Another way of putting it might be to say, on the “back” bet I am acting as a punter. On the “lay” bet I become the bookie. I’m offering odds, and if I lose, I lose big. A lay bet is a downside bet, so I’ll only take it if I really think it will come off.

A lay bet is not a speccie where I might get lucky. On a back bet I get lucky. On a lay bet, I get unlucky.

Lets use the Waratahs as our example – because when I logged onto the site it was the Waratahs numbers that made my jaw drop.

Right now, I can back the Waratahs to win the Super Rugby final at $5.50, which means that if I put $100 on them to win the final and they do, I win $550. If they don’t, I lose 100 bucks.

On the flipside, if I want to back them to lose, or “lay” them, I have to give odds to another punter on the exchange of $20.00. This means if I’m right and they don’t win, I will receive $100. If I’m wrong though, and they win the comp, I will be required to pay out $2000 to whomever accepted my bet. Ouch.

If you think this seems like a pretty big risk, you’re right. But that’s not really the point. The point is that to get anyone to take my bet on the Waratahs not winning the comp, I have to give incredible odds to get them to take that bet. Why? Because generally speaking no-one in the crowd thinks they can win. Already last year’s champions have been all but abandoned by the crowd.

To give you a sense of how this plays out across the ladder, there are seven teams who can’t get a lay bet at all, let’s call them The Unbackables – they are the Lions, Cheetahs, Rebels, Force, Blues, Reds and Bulls. Basically,this is the crowd saying “These teams are so certain to not win the comp that I’m not going to bother trying to find someone who will bet me that they can”.

For teams that actually get lay odds offered – a useful indicator of how favoured or unfavoured they are is the size of the differential between their back odds and lay odds. This is volatility.

So lets start with the next worst, the Sharks, who are almost as badly off as the Unbackables – their back odds being $18.50 to win and their lay odds being $40.00, for a differential of $21.50. In other words, to get the crowd interested in betting against the Sharks not winning, I have to offer twice the odds. The crowd doesn’t want to bet against the Sharks not winning – they think it is almost certain that they won’t.

Huge odds + huge differential = huge chance of the Sharks being at home watching the final on Super Sport.

The Waratahs are next to be deserted, the differential between their back odds and lay odds being $14.50. They have the dubious honour of being best of the worst – out of all the teams the crowd thinks can’t win the competition, they think the Tahs can’t win the least, but they are still lumping them in with the has-beens and gone-for-the-years.

There is a massive division between this bottom-of-the-differential-table group, and the rest – the gap is 9.5 points.

After that patch of daylight we get to the serious players…or at least those who the crowd thinks are the players. First are the Stormers, with a differential of just 5 – a huge gap from the Waratahs. The Highlanders are next with a differential of 4.5. Clearly the crowd believes that these two teams are roughies who are in with a chance.

The final four teams – Chiefs, Crusaders, Brumbies, Hurricanes – all have win odds under 7 and differentials of less than 1. The low differential tells us that the backers and the layers generally agree on the prices, further evidence of the wisdom of the crowd at work.

That’s a lot of numbers, so what to take out of it? Well firstly, remember that we’re not really interested in the odds for betting purposes. We’re interested in what the crowd says about their team’s chances. A betting exchange is simply a convenient place to gather the wisdom of the crowd.

A few conclusions offer themselves. First, if the Brumbies and Stormers top their conferences, then according to the crowd, the Stormers, Highlanders, Chiefs, Crusaders, Hurricanes and Brumbies will be the top six.

Next, the crowd is strongly suggesting that they are seeing something in the Waratahs’ play that they do not like at all. If not, why would the Crusaders be so much more favoured by the crowd, when they are actually a point behind the Waratahs on the table, with the same two and two record?

Finally, there’s always room for gut feel and I think the Bulls are a better proposition than we have given them credit for. At two and two the same as the Waratahs and Sharks, and with a game in hand and two home games coming up, their position could change rapidly.

The crowd might be right about oxen, but I’m not convinced they’re right about the Bulls.

The Crowd Says:

2015-03-20T01:25:15+00:00

chasmac

Guest


Seems to me there is a relatively safe bet in those odds that drops out 1 of the NZ teams. Without running the scenarios, i'd put my left one on the fact that 4 NZ teams cannot make the finals. I'm no punter, but there must be a way of safely stripping those odds to guarantee a winning bet. Any punters out there got any theories or systems

2015-03-19T22:52:13+00:00

AndrewWA

Guest


Very hard to write off an Aussie franchise which regularly fields a XXIII which has 13 players with Test experience (540 caps) and a squad with another 3 Test experienced players. And this from a salary cap which is supposedly equal for all 5 franchises. The cap MAY be equal but the player remuneration of each team is widely different. The top 2 franchises have player payments >50% higher than the lower two franchises. Obviously as far as the ARU is concerned, some franchises are more equal than others and the size of the total salary bucket changes depending on how close the franchise is to ARU HQ. The average makeup of the other Aussie franchises so far this year Reds 10 Test experienced players (>320 caps), Brumbies 11 players (>300 caps), Force 6 players (60 caps) and Rebels 7 players (55 caps). Look at these numbers you only START to understand why the Force and Rebels fans get excited by any/every win over their better credentialed and remunerated Aussie opposition.

2015-03-19T20:35:55+00:00

Hugo

Guest


ANDREW - your post was far more entertaining than the last Tah's game. As for Galton, his work on the efficacy of prayer should be required reading for all those players who thank the heavens after scoring. Re the puts and calls, it comes down to going long on the Tahs at 100 to one, or shorting them at 5 to one. I think Apple's a safer bet.

2015-03-19T11:27:58+00:00

Magic Sponge

Guest


tahs are firm favourites. I will go with the money. Tahs in a canter

2015-03-19T11:19:12+00:00

SandBox

Roar Guru


Well researched and interesting, thank you

2015-03-19T07:49:11+00:00

Magic Sponge

Guest


Only non tahs have written off the tahs. Qld will think qc bring success to the reds. Again they are delusional.

2015-03-19T07:24:00+00:00

Magnus

Guest


I think most sides have worked the tahs out , if you get stuck into the they go missing ,, the old saying they can dish it but they can't take it , number of cheap shots against highlanders by kepu , hooper , potgieter ,. Tahs have lost their intimidation factor not much else left me thinks

2015-03-19T06:13:16+00:00

MH01

Guest


I'm not sure how the TAHS will go after his weekend, though I expect them to win on Sunday. They are the defending champs and have the cattle! When the TAHS were in a much worse position, they still managed to beat the Great Brumbies teams of the golden era at home , simple fact when these two teams play, expect the home team to win. What happens after this weekend will be interesting though.

2015-03-19T05:58:14+00:00

World in Union

Guest


That article is a load of codswallop !

2015-03-19T04:59:09+00:00

Worlds Biggest

Guest


This is a huge game for the Tahs against the inform Brums, a win and they can get the season started again. The next two home games after are eminently winnable. They need to get the grunt back into there game and a more direct approach. Come on Tahs.

2015-03-19T04:02:41+00:00

Roberts

Guest


Interesting article. Good food for thought. To turn the S15 season paradoxically into an oxen it would be something like this. The oxen to be chosen would be from either of three farms with different feeding and breeding regimes. Adding to the calculations will be what condition the oxen is in, injured or healthy. Finally, when being butchered, there would be a choice of several butchers, each who have different interpretations on how to butcher an oxen. Good luck crowd. IMHO all the waratahs have to do is stay ahead of the Crusaders and they will be in the hunt around june/July.

2015-03-19T02:02:07+00:00

Akari

Roar Rookie


S15 form and championship do not necessarily indicate domination at test rugby with the Tahs and WBs being the recent examples. Winning the RWC will still be reliant on the 30 on the field plus substitutes, the weather and state of the ground and, in particular, the skill and fairness and consistency of decisions of the referee and his assistant linesmen.

2015-03-19T01:39:03+00:00

44bottles

Roar Guru


I'd say more 23 v 23 but your point still stands. England have a very bad case of this. They've been able to cover for injuries remarkably well, but this has had downsides. It is not entirely clear who their starting team/bench is as the 1st XV, 2nd XV and 3rd XV have very similar levels, particularly in a couple of forward positions.

2015-03-19T01:07:20+00:00

Phantom

Roar Rookie


What would be really interesting to me would be if those punters could be identified by nationality.

2015-03-19T00:51:59+00:00

Sam

Guest


And if you took the top three teams in the Australian conference we'd have the Brumbies, Waratahs and the Rebels...

2015-03-18T23:16:28+00:00

jutsie

Guest


I bet you would have found similar odds for the tahs last year around this time. saders have a history of being slow starters tahs have a history of underperforming and being "february champions. one season of success probably doesnt change that perception for most punters so I would guess that the money on the saders and the poor odds for the tahs are consistent with previous seasons.

2015-03-18T22:55:10+00:00

MACDUB

Guest


NZ rugby has great depth and that's what makes them so good. So although there is not too much difference between SA, Australia and NZ's best 15, NZ could probably enter another two teams in the RWC and they would be downright hard to beat. But having 2/3 world class sides doesn't mean anything. It all comes down to one team vs. another team..15 vs. 15 ..and who is better on the day.

2015-03-18T22:35:21+00:00

AJ

Guest


Ha ha. Will they ever learn? Just like spruiking our Bledisloe prospects. Did more people tune in because Bill library monitor what-his-name predicted that?

2015-03-18T22:24:31+00:00

Darwin Stubbie

Guest


But isn't the Aust conference meant to be supplying 3 teams in the finals series ??

2015-03-18T22:22:19+00:00

Paul

Guest


Interesting thought, though I have some points. Galton's crowd was making an estimation on 1 variable (weight) from a known reference (the cow in front of them). Get a big enough group and it will normalise around a very close result. Guessing weight is a lot like throwing at a dartboard blindfolded. You miss high, low, left right etc etc. You have a rough idea but not exactly. However, throw a 1000' darts and the average point will be the bullseye. There are far more unknown an unpredictable variables in a sporting season than just the weight of a cow. Injuries for one, Individual mistakes or referee blunders others. The second point is sentiment. All the evidence points to the Crusaders being no better a chance than the Waratahs, though there are more die hard Crusader supporters than Waratah supporters who just believe their team will come good, irrespective of how things look

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