Cross Kuta off the list for the end of season footy trip

And they call us Sheep

I agree Laurie Its bizarre why aussies trek to that toilet every year maybe because its easier than looking elsewhere

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I couldn't give a toss about the execution of the drug smugglers respect each countries laws is what I say. As far as Bali is concerned I went there in 91 and I would never go back all reports I have is that its a tired old worn out cesspit of a place. Could think of 10 nicer spots to head for a trip than that dump.

People go to Bali and Thailand because it's cheap. Wouldn't be an option for families if it was cheaper to travel inside Australia.

The Telegraph is a broadsheet unless it has gone in to a tabloid format like The Times. Two of the better papers.

Interesting article on the Beeb about Australian attitudes towards this http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-32492181

Do they even though what ANZAC Day is about?

James, it has nothing to do with corruption, it has nothing to do with West Papua, it has nothing to do with boat people or anything else people like you TRY to link it with. It has to do with a group of Australians who imported drugs into Indonesia where the penalty given could well be the death penalty. So yeah, it is about somebody breaking the law but we in Australia are trying to make it about more, which has put the Indonesian government in a tough spot, almost forcing their hand imo. The Australian government was huffing and puffing about the penalty given to the 2 due to public outrage in this country over the penalty. All the other issues are seperate and sadly overlooked until 2 Australians are executed for breaking a law in which execution is one of the penalties possible. Its sad that hundreds of thousands are killed and what really grabs the attention is 2 Australians being put to death according to the law. Please dont confuse genocide of innocents with the law being carried out.

Apart from those in Darwin or WA, I just dont get Australians fixation with Bali, the number of Australians that just keep going back every couple of years for another holiday never ceases to amaze. The big yellow and black signs at the airport make it abundantly clear what the penalty is if you traffik drugs. Denpassar is a filthy hole, outside of the International medical clinic, any health care is dodgy, Kuta beach is dirty but comes with its "religous" locals sitting under the trees watching the topless Aussie girls. there are more people pushing for timeshare sales meetings than Ive seen anywhere. etc etc. Ubud is nice, Nusa Dua is safe but you may as well be in any resort anywhere on the planet. Give me Hawaii any day.

Rubbish. I said Indonesia puts to death people who import drugs and you said it doesnt, you are completely wrong and know it. Indonesia DOES put to death people that import drugs and thats what it just did because that is their law. So to say "no it doesnt" is 100% wrong considering IT JUST DID. Now you can argue that its the minor players or whatever but it is their law. You can argue that their is corruption and drugs do go through but Mike, that doesnt mean they dont put to death people who import drugs, they do and its their law. There is nothing wrong with trying to get people off the death penalty Mike, thats normal but to pack a hissy fit because the Indonesians followed the law is where it all breaks down. To insult them, to vilify them and to withdraw diplomats is extreme and quite frankly, childish. If it was a case of Indonesia making a example of Australians and treating them more harshly than others then I can see why some firm action should be taken but for Australian law enforcement to tip off Indonesian authorities and then cry foul when they implement a well known penalty for the crime that AUSTRALIA dobbed them in for is pathetic. If you want to know who shot the 2 men then look at Indonesia but if you want to know who put them in front of the firing squad, loaded the bullets into the rifle and shouted "ready, aim..." then look to Australia and Australians who, knowing the law and its penalty, aquired the drugs, took them to Indonesia and also tipped off the aurhorities who carried out the law to the letter.

Each to their own, Mike. All I can add is, Im somewhat familiar with country, government. This includes their KPK (anti corruption agency), which is doing world-class work. Im not from Indonesia, nor do I work for them, so Im not apologising for anything. Only expressing my disappointment on seeing this article here, and the disgusting smear

Mike---Just curious here.Do you apply that anti-corruption critereon to every country that you consider visiting? Must make travelling fraught with difficulty. I have followed the 'Chan/Sukumaran appeal' thing only rather casually but continually bemused at how much passionate attention it was getting.I heard the Firing-Squad method of execution described as "barbaric" * a few times: the gruesome deaths reported from USA by Lethal Injection (over the past 2 years or so) would warrant a whole new lexicon! I'm not accusing you of this but it strikes me that sometimes western media find it easy and convenient to 'pick on' small or less-known countries that don't bite back.China & USA seem almost above reproach. *barbaric bɑːˈbarɪk/Submit adjective 1. savagely cruel. "he carried out barbaric acts in the name of war" synonyms: brutal, barbarous, brutish, bestial, savage, vicious, fierce, ferocious, wicked, cruel, nasty, ruthless, remorseless, merciless, villainous, murderous, heinous, nefarious, monstrous, base, low, low-down, vile, inhuman, infernal, dark, black, black-hearted, fiendish, hellish, diabolical, ghastly, horrible

The mass migration of people from africa to europe is going to cause (already started) immense social and economic problems in europe. A lot are economic refugees not genuine asylum seekers. A lot are fanatical muslims like the ones who threw the christians overboard. it might be callous but turning back the boats to africa might be the best thing to do, and process genuine claims in refugee camps there rather than open slather into europe.

No it doesn't. It puts to death those people who don't pay the right bribes or who are unimportant mules shopped to the authorities by the major drug-dealers, in order to give the authorities someone on whom to demonstrate their "tough on crime" attitude. The mass drug dealing and trading goes on through Indonesia unabated, with the authorities taking a healthy cut. "We in Australia have no right to try to tell the indonesians what to do" Probably not, but why shouldn't we, when its exactly what the Indonesians do? They mount a continuing diplomatic offensive to get their own nationals out of the death penalty in other countries. They are very happy to play tough guys on execution, but NOT when its an Indonesian facing the death penalty in another country. I do not know why this article is on the Roar in the first place (I cannot see any connection with rugby) but I suppose if we are going to have a debate about the issue, then it won't be one way.

I agree.

I didn't want to comment on this article, as I don't think it should be on the Roar at all, but the chorus of apologetics for the Indonesian regime is hard to pass up. RobC, the issue is not the Indonesian people, but their corrupt government. Their anti-corruption agency is very selective. Good for you if you want to visit it but I certainly will not be. There are plenty of better places to spend my tourist dollar.

Good, keep telling yourself that .

Its quite amazing tbh. Indonesia puts people to death for importing drugs to its shores when needed and the uproar only occurs in Australia when Australians are caught and dealt with the same way as other nationals. How dare they treat Australians like their own people and those from other countries, dont they understand that they are Australian? I dont agree with the death penalty for importing drugs but I agree that they have a right to make their own laws and act on those laws according to said laws. We in Australia have no right to try to tell the indonesians what to do, to tell them how to act or to presume moral superiority and take our bat and ball and go home in the way T.Abbott did by withdrawing the ambassador. Indonesia has its laws, the 2 executed broke those laws, the ones that executed them followed correct procedure by carrying out the punishment given according to Indonesian law. I know, lets write an article about how corrupt they are over in that country. However I must confess, due to Australia trying to force Indonesia to treat Australians better than Indonesians and then throwing a public hissy fit in response to Indonesia treating Australians like everyone else, it may be better to chose a different spot to party. That is, if one assumes that the Australian government acting like a petulant child was genuine and not just a show for its own people.

No. It stands that you made a ridiculous statement comparing the level of corruption in the Indonesian police force to that of certain Australian state forces. Dealing with the here and now, I'm just wondering what NZ's ranking has to do with said statement. Given it's just as easy to google it yourself, I assume you're readying yourself to make another ridiculous point.