They may knock Mayweather, but they knocked Ali too

By Adam Santarossa / Roar Guru

Floyd Mayweather says he’s the best ever. He’s even got the clothing line to prove it.

Some consider such a claim to be trademark Mayweather brashness, another act in ‘Being the Bad Guy 101’ or an attempt to generate publicity and subsequently ticket sales and pay-per-view buys.

Many are content to waive such claims away, but honestly, why isn’t he at least in the conversation.

Mayweather is 47-0, his record reads like a Hall of Fame class – Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Diego Corrales, Juan Manuel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Arturo Gatti, Saul Alvarez, Zab Judah have all been vanquished.

Almost all were comprehensive, with only De La Hoya giving him a significant test.

It is a record matched only by Rocky Marciano, who went 49-0 as a heavyweight.

Now, records aren’t everything, and you can punch holes in the records of many big names, but why should Mayweather not be considered amongst the greats, such as Joe Louis, Floyd Patterson, Marciano and Muhammad Ali?

The reason people don’t consider him in that calibre is because simply, he’s disliked.

He’s considered too flashy, an egomaniac, only in it for the money.

They are just a few of the reasons. Not to mention his domestic violence charges and other misconduct.

This week he came out claiming he was better than Muhammad Ali and people scoffed – How are you better than our champion?

But you have to remember there was a time when Muhammad Ali was public enemy number one, in the same way Mayweather is today.

Many people hated him simply because of his background. Many labelled him ‘champ’ and many more labelled him by the colour of his skin.

Others called him a coward and a draft dodger, for being a conscientious objector when conscripted to fight for the United States in the Vietnam War.

Some simply hated him because he was a Muslim or because he walked to the beat of his own drum.

But with the grace of time his public image has softened. These days he is loved by all. The days of public hatred are long gone and nowadays he is simply judged on his legacy.

That’s where Mayweather is lacking.

Ali is most remembered for his epics with George Foreman and Joe Frazier.

‘The Rumble in the Jungle’ and ‘Thriller in Manilla’ is gospel in the sport.

They are forever intertwined with boxing, and for many it’s their first taste of the sweet science.

At this moment Mayweather doesn’t have a fight of such magnitude on his record.

Yes, he’s fought future hall of famers, but up until now there’s been an asterix next to his name.

He’s beaten them all, but there’s one name left to beat.

To be truly considered a great he needs to beat the other man with any real claims, Manny Pacquiao, the only man to ever win a world title in eight different weight divisions.

The fight may be long overdue, but I’m glad it’s happening, the final box on each mans application to the legendary tier of boxing will be complete.

I’d argue there is greatness in seeking greatness. Sometimes only the legend is willing to lay it all on the line to prove he is the better man.

It is important to consider too, that as much as you are judged on what you have done, you’ll also be judged on what happens after you’re gone.

Ali is remembered for his charisma, more so now in a time when the Heavyweight division is crying out for some. The swiftness of his movements around the boxing ring, the footwork, the showmanship, all remembered now more fondly in a time of robotic beasts.

Will anyone come and do what Mayweather has done in this modern era of the sport?

Only time will tell.

Watching Mayweather in the lead up to this fight you can see he is very different.

He’s quiet. He knows the fight will define his career and the legacy he will leave.

Many years down the line, they won’t remember the box office records, the clothing line, the lack of endorsements and public popularity; they’ll judge Mayweather the fighter, the skills, the victories, the performances on those big Vegas night’s when the entire world was watching.

Mayweather has been subdued in the lead up because he can feel the pressure. He has everything to lose. The undefeated record. The crowd as boxing’s pound for pound king.

Comparing fighters across eras is a hard thing to do. There are new weight classes, time limits, titles, purses, rules and hundreds of years of evolution.

But when judging the greats there is always that one fight for which they’ll forever be remembered. When they took on the best and beat them.

Now it is Mayweather’s turn.

When history looks back on the career of Floyd Mayweather Jr, who knows if he’ll one day be considered the greatest, but a win on Sunday may just put him in the conversation.

The Crowd Says:

2015-05-20T22:26:35+00:00

bamminer

Guest


Ali (64-67) VS Marciano(52-retiring) Who wins? Ali wins that because he could dance for at least 12 of 15 rounds. Add to that, Ali had a huge reach edge(80"-82"): far bigger than when he fought Frazier(who had a reach in the low 70s to Rocky's 67"). With that kind of reach advantage, Ali could land effective, accurate, combination punches for as long as he danced without fear of return. Look at what Ali did to Frazier in their first fight and that was the flatfooted Ali. Ali played with fighters that he thought were average fighters, but with the best he mostly would not: Frazier 1 and Norton 3 may have been the only times that he did not try to dance when he knew he needed to going into the fight. Marciano was cut prone, but found ways to knock fighters out when he was severely cut; they were flatfooted and did not have Ali's reach/hand speed/combination punching/accuracy/foot speed(and agility). Probable: Ali wins by cuts by round 7. Marciano was a Frazier-Foreman hybrid with a better single punch than either of them. With the post exile Ali, Marciano would have better chance the "older" that Ali fought. If Ali fought like he did in the first and third Frazier fights(flatfooted), then Marciano definitely finds a way to win. Punching power was like being hit by a baseball bat. If Ali fought like he did in that second Frazier fight(resembling the old Ali), Ali wins. Given Marciano's power(probably comparable only to Shavers); Marciano's determination; and the racial fervor accompanying this fight, Ali had better be able to dance until he knows he can finish Rocky. Marciano had some punch and his little arms would find openings on the ropes.

2015-05-04T08:24:29+00:00

Jokerman

Guest


It's not a disturbing article. It's about sport. What he has done outside the ring has been admitted to, dealt with and punished under the law. A lot of Aussi league players have done far worse but you never hear anything from the roarers. I don't think there would be much of an issue if Mayweather wasn't so rich, mouthy and unbeaten. The winning is just too much for some. SBW had the same judgment. His crime? Walked out on contract he signed that clearly didn't favour him. Good on em. Mayweather has been faultless in the ring, and outside if he hasn't I'm sure he's had to pay his dues like anyone else.

2015-05-03T18:14:49+00:00

Andy

Guest


This is a very disturbing article and a very misguided author to dismiss serious domestic abuse charges as "haters hatin"

2015-05-03T09:35:37+00:00

big J

Guest


Ali fought his oppoents in their prime while mayweather waits until people are past theirs enough said

2015-05-03T02:36:47+00:00

Harry

Guest


Confirmed domestic thug and in the ring is just about to face his first opponent who matches stature of some of Ali's opponents - Foreman, Frazier, Liston etc.

2015-05-03T01:09:43+00:00

William Dalton Davis

Roar Rookie


its not matched by Marciano. It's been bested by Marciano.

2015-05-02T22:50:23+00:00

Gazzatron

Guest


He's a scumbag. Ali was disliked for a myriad of reasons but at least he wasn't filth like Mayweather is.

2015-05-02T21:09:52+00:00

kevin dustby

Guest


yeah, he may be great but i dont like him and dont try and pretend its all a show. hes a terrible person and dont try and play the race card

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