Eels' "salary cap-compliant" team forces Luke Kelly out

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@up in the north, the player you may be referring to is Luke Brooks or Matt Moylan, I think? Both were ruled ineligible due to their respective clubs Cap. The salary cap being used in the NRL is antiquated. This system was put in place as a consequence to the inflated wages bill due to the Super League War! The System is now 18 years old. To utilize a successful Modern day Salary Cap you actually do need a players draft to compliment it. As we all know the draft was ruled illegal in the NSW supreme Court 1990. A restraint of trade. To use a TOP 25 system is ridiculous as all clubs normally have at least 30 players in their FULL TIME squad. Most clubs who finish lower on the table generally use about 35 players a season. Unfortunately clubs with a smaller budgets normally use more players due to injury's as their Re-Hab department is lacking funds. I just checked right now, Parra have 39 players on their full time list, 36 players on their Wentworthville NSW cup and a further 38 players on their U20s. That is 113 players on their books? WOW so many? No wonder their over the CAP! Only 51 players play on any given weekend. What do the other 62 players do? Go back to their Junior clubs? footnote: In the OLD days, 70s and 80s with 3 Grades most Clubs had only 60 or 65 players. However they could bring juniors up to play in the U23 in case of huge injury tolls. Parra have 113, WHY? Now this is where their 2nd and 3rd tier caps are under pressure as these Caps have NOT increased in the past 3 years, I am fairly sure it is 3 years! The second and third tier caps are put in place to restrict the richer clubs from "stockpiling talent" We have all heard it before....Losing players as the weaker clubs pay overs for good players but not the best players on offer! Clubs move-on injury plagued players and also under performing players that puts pressure on their Salary Cap. As in Parramatta's case. I hope my factual comments have helped.

Let us hope they are better than the last mob, but the facts remain that any club who pay overs for players and/or using back ended deals "such as Manly have also done", are engaging in bad management practice. Parra signed Watmough who is well past his best, on big money also. Get your front office in order, only then can you be assured of financial security. It is however difficult for the struggling clubs to attract the top line players so unfortunately they have little choice.

I'll chime in there 3hats. Loko, Mossop and Allgood were all signed/upgraded just prior to the 2013 board election where the spag board was outed. Mossop was a RS special. So yes Parramatta's previous management was a basket case, but the current admin are certainly a lot better.

If a player is on an incentive deal, as you say Parrafan "gets paid X for each 1st grade game he plays". These match payments are added onto the following years salary cap, e.g. 2016. If that same player gets cut by the club...Only his contract value is added to next season, not his potential earnings, as he wont be there! that 15K for each minute comment is utter crap...You really don't know what your talking about, do you? Your all just guessing. If a Non top 25 player plays in FIRST GRADE, Only his match payments are added to the 1st tier Cap. For 2016 cap. such a young player would be on between $500 to $1000 per game, Maximum. Some incentive contracts that I have seen are... for example the minimum wage plus $5000. per game. Kelly would be on one of those $5000 per game incentive...just a guess though! as I have not seen his contract. If you guys want to know the facts due to the salary cap, just ask me!

The Bottom line is this... Parra have paid overs for years now, seriously paying a bunch of Nobody's 300K and 400k RIDICULOUS. Darcy Lussick a rookie when he signed for 450K. should of been on 200K max. Sandow 550K, Souths offered him 300K, so he left. W Hopoate on 800K for a winger...seriously? K Foran on 1.2 million next year, wow, great if you can get it. Not as good as A Reynolds who is on 500K. C Norman on 500K, good value. SEMI RADRADRA 250K good value. footnote: If a club releases a player who is contracted and against his will, the club HAS TO pay that player out! If this same player is on, lets say 500K, but gets picked up by another club for say 400K. So Parra in this case will pay the difference of 100K which is added onto their cap. An Extract from the Daily Telegraph: Apart from running last in 2015, The Daily Telegraph can reveal the Eels are also paying around $300,000 for seven unwanted players including dud English import Lee Mossop and Canterbury centre Jacob Loko. Having out layed $750,000 last year on players no longer at the club, the Eels are spending roughly half that figure again on Mossop, Loko, Hull prop Mitch Allgood and Wests Tigers forward Brenden Santi. Justin Hunt, the son of 1980s premiership winger Neil, is also on the list with a pair of unnamed NYC players. The Parramatta management is a basket case at best!

The 10 year player discount is only about 200K That is for all long serving players not just one. It kicks in after 8 years of service.

Okay I understand the first part with the 1st grade games. I recall vaguely something from last year similar to your Lasalo example - didn't think it was Parra . It seems there is work being done in the background to sort the salary cap. Hopefully it'll happen sooner rather than later.

Depends on their contract. Maybe he has a clause that says he get's paid x for each 1st grade game he plays. Last year the Eels field Lasalo against the Cowboys. We had to as one player injured themselves in the warm up and another was ruled out due to concussion from the previous week. Lasalo played 4 minutes but got added to the 2nd tier cap ($60,000) of 15K for each minute he was on the field. Another illustration as to why the 2nd tier cap just doesn't work.

And while the Eels are compliant for this season, they have already reached the limit on their second tier salary cap, meaning the 24-year-old Kelly can only rely on injuries to play another NRL game this year. This is the part I don't understand. How was Kelly okay last week but this week he isn't? What changed? Can he only play if someone is injured? I thought the clubs had a pool/squad of players with a cap on how much they could be paid. Either a bloke is eligible or he isn't. Isn't he?

Sorry I should add all the players signed on one year deals, i.e. Robinson, Taka, Wicks, Champion etc. Don't forget Hayne would have fallen under the long serving player discount and attracts TPA's so wouldn't have contributed as much to the cap as one would think.

Still forming part of the top 25 as far as we know. And you would hope Emcie. I think up in the north sums it up well. There is no transparency in regard to the cap, who makes up the top 25, whos in the second tier. Take me back to the old days of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd grade and the ability to pick your best 17 from all three grades.

Chocmough I'm guessing.

I think Parra's biggest broblem is paying overs for average players. Where did all the money freed up from Hayne moving on go?

because they were moved on while still under contract? i dont think eels are paying full price for em though

I don't understand how this works.

3 players in the top 25, Loko, Mossop and Allgood.

Wasn't the salary cap meant to make for a more level playing field? When you can't pick your best 17 because of a massive injury toll and the second tier cap there is definitely an issue with the system. Stand up and do what the clubs have been asking for the last half decade and change the ridiculous second tier cap Smith.

I have a question, are the eels still having to pay salaries for all players Ricky Stuart sacked? I seem to remember that being a problem for them last year

BooHoo. We have to follow the rules. Waaaaaaaaaaaa.