The Wallabies: Dale’s Possibles vs Cheika’s Probables

By Nelson Dale / Roar Rookie

With Michael Cheika culling his extended squad from 40 to 31, a number of incumbent and experienced Wallabies have been left out of the squad, raising a few questions on selection.

This got me thinking. What is Cheika’s probable line-up and who would I like to see line up against the Springboks next Saturday (July 18) in the Rugby Championship opener?

With big names like Nick Cummins, Nic White, Christian Lealiifano, Dave Dennis and Wycliff Palu being culled, coupled with Henry Speight’s suspension, a number of positions are up for grabs.

Cheika will stop at nothing and no one to win this Rugby World Cup. Have the remaining incumbents done enough? Will the opening of selection to the Toulon expats (Drew Mitchell and Matt Giteau) don Wallaby gold again? Or have rookies Taqele Naiyaravoro and Rory Arnold done enough to earn a debut?

Let’s take a look at who I would like to see in gold and who is likely to line-up for Australia against the Boks – split into Dale’s Possibles and Cheika’s Probables

Dale’s Possibles

The front row (1-3)
This is one place where there will unlikely be much variety between the possibles and probables. With Wallabies stalwarts Ben Alexander and Benn Robinson left out of the initial 40-man squad and the culling of Toby Smith, James Hanson and Tetera Faulkner, there are only four props left in the final 31.

My picks
1. James Slipper (63 Tests), Queensland Red’s captain and incumbent loosehead is widely considered one of Australia’s best scrummagers. He brings a lot of experience to the front row.

2. Stephen Moore (92 Tests), no doubt Australia’s best hooker, the Wallabies captain will no doubt be a starter for the green and gold.

3. Sekope Kepu (52 Tests), NSW and Australia’s incumbent tighthead will be looking to claim eight more caps throughout 2015, allowing him to continue to play for the Wallabies after leaving for Bordeaux after the Rugby World Cup.

The second row (4 and 5)
This is a place that the Wallabies are lacking world-class players and will struggle throughout the Rugby Championship and Rugby World Cup. Do you select the out-of-form James Horwill and lose some grunt around the paddock or select Will Skelton and loose an adequate lineout jumper?

If Irish-based Kane Douglas manages to sign with the Reds and return home to Australia, he should definitely be considered as a starter, pushing Skelton to the bench.

My picks
4. Rob Simmons (50 Tests), wearing gold as a lineout technician, however he lacks mongrel and aggression around the field.

5. Will Skelton (8 Tests), at 204 centimetres and 148 kilograms he adds the go forward that is lost through Simmons, however he needs to improve as a lineout option.

The back row (6-8)
In one of Australia’s most hotly contested positions, ex-Wallaby captain David Pocock returns to the international stage after a two-year absence. His form suggests he is the best openside flanker in the world and there is no doubt his form around the breakdown demonstrates that he is a true game breaker on the world stage.

In saying that, how do you leave Michael Hooper out of the squad? The Wallaby vice-captain has reinvented the openside role, adding a hard running dynamic, yet losing some dominance around the ruck and maul.

In my opinion Pocock is a game breaker; with a team underperforming around him, he will win you a game. Hooper on the other hand will make you win by more, if the team around him is performing, and there is no doubt he will add another layer to your attack and he is solid in defence. Yet I don’t believe he is a true game breaker, at least not to the extent of Pocock.

This presents Cheika with an option to emulate the Phil Waugh and George Smith combination, two dominant opensides, with one being shifted to blindside. In my opinion, Hooper plays more like a small blindside, as he is superior in attack and lacks the breakdown speed and strength of the 115-kilogram Pocock.

Another important factor in the back row is the lineout. With Skelton starting, who can better fill a lineout jumping role in the backrow; Scott Fardy, Scott Higginbotham or Ben McCalman? Hence, my selection for No.8 will revolve around the men he will partner in the back row.

My picks
6. Michael Hooper (42 Tests), in my opinion Hooper has revolutionised the No.7 jersey by making it a lot more like a traditional 6. I know he is small for a blindside, yet how can you leave him out of the starting squad?

7. David Pocock (45 Tests), his ability and skills around the breakdown are unrivalled in world rugby.

8. Scott Higginbotham (31 Tests), he gets the nod due to his lineout alone. He lacks the strength in the breakdown that McCalman possesses, but no one can deny that he provides a strong attacking game, overtaking Owen Finegan as Super Rugby’s top try-scoring forward.

The halves (9 and 10)
Nic Phipps seems to have lost the edge that he possessed last year, after moving to the NSW Waratahs, while the Queensland Red’s halfback Will Genia has seemed to regain some of his dominant 2011 form. With Nic White being expelled from Cheika’s 31-man squad, the starting No.9 jersey is up for grabs for Phipps or Genia.

Now, I believe statistics are like bikinis, they reveal a lot, but not everything. Nonetheless, Genia ran almost 50 per cent more, gained almost twice the run metres, beat nearly three times the defenders, assisted over double the tries and kicked the ball 106 more times in play, while sharing similar defensive stats. Surely that counts for something.

In the halves, combinations are a big factor, yet many naysayers will claim that Quade Cooper still lacks the maturity to hold down the Wallabies’ starting flyhalf jersey, yet many will say that Bernard Foley failed to impress throughout the 2015 season.

Honestly, I would love to see if the old 9, 10, 12 combination of Genia, Cooper and Giteau has matured enough to dominate consistently on the international stage. In 2010, they were hot and cold. Unpredictability reined, as they edged the Springboks, toppled Wales, fell short against England, beat Italy and breezed past the French, all away from home.

Five years on, the combination would be a lot more mature, yet still possess the unpredictability, something we may well need during the Rugby World Cup. The puzzle pieces clearly haven’t been clicking in recent years.

My picks
9. Will Genia (58 Tests), was clearly Australia’s best halfback in 2015 and he provides a lot of experience individually and in combination with the man outside him.

10. Quade Cooper (53 Tests), he only played a handful of games in 2015 after his season was curtailed by injury, yet he still managed to display signs of magnificence. He gains selection for the No.10 jersey due to his combination with Genia, yet his notorious weakness in defence has become a strength for him in 2015.

Foley has been the dominant flyhalf in Australia, yet errors have continually built up in his game throughout the season, culminating in him ‘dropping the ball’ (pun intended) during the Super Rugby semi-final against the Highlanders this season.

The centres (12 and 13)
The tantalising Toulon No.12, Matt Giteau, returned ‘home’ from exile in France for a shot at the Rugby World Cup squad. If he travelled this far and Cheika doesn’t provide that opportunity now, then when? With a limited time until the Rugby World Cup, there is no better time to trial then the present.

Many people will argue that the pace of the French Top 14 is slower, yet the insight Giteau and Drew Mitchell can provide from European rugby will be invaluable.

Who should wear the No.13 jersey? There really are only two options, Tevita Kuridrani and Adam Ashley-Cooper, and with the lack of outside backs Ashley-Cooper should be starting on the wing.

My pick
12. Matt Giteau (92 Tests), he adds a class and unpredictability that the Wallabies have been searching for, and not only that he can cover 9, 10 and 12, which will allow the Wallabies to carry a 6-2 (forward-back) bench split, something we will need against the big northern hemisphere teams.

13. Tevita Kurindrani (20 Tests), a hard running and dominant centre, he has become an integral part of the Wallabies’ offence since his debut against the All Blacks in 2013.

The outside backs (11, 14 and 15)
With Henry Speight under suspension, Nick Cummins dropped from the team and Rob Horne out of form, the Wallabies’ usual depth on the wings has diminished. Throw in the returning Drew Mitchell and prodigal son Taqele Naiyaravoro and the outside backs are set for a shake up.

Who will wear the No.15? Who else but Israel Folau… silly question!

My picks
11. Adam Ashley-Cooper (104 Tests), the Wallabies’ Mr Consistency is a no brainer for the squad. He can cover outside centre, winger or fullback and all at an international level.

14. Drew Mitchell (63 Tests), similarly to Giteau, he provides insider knowledge and he has been on fire in France. Joe Tomane is on form, however Mitchell provides a better kicking game and can cover a number of positions.

15. Isreal Folau (29 Tests), in 2015 he has continued to develop his offloading ability and his kicking in an attempt to add more depth to his game. A few more errors have crept into his game, however Folau will surely put this behind him and go from strength to strength through the Rugby Championships and Rugby World Cup.

Dale’s Possibles (1-23)
1. James Slipper
2. Stephen Moore
3. Sekope Kepu
4. Rob Simmons
5. Will Skelton
6. Michael Hooper
7. David Pocock
8. Scott Higginbotham
9. Will Genia
10. Quade Cooper
11. Adam Ashley-Cooper
12. Matt Giteau (halfback cover)
13. Tevita Kuridrani
14. Drew Mitchell
15. Israel Folau

16. Tatafu Polota-Nau
17. Greg Holmes
18. Scott Sio
19. James Horwill
20. Scott Fardy
21. Ben McCalman
22. Matt Toomua or Kurtley Beale
23. Joe Tomane

The fact that Giteau, Mitchell and Ashley-Cooper can cover multiple positions in the back line, an extra forward can be carried on the bench. This starting squad boasts 802 Test caps, providing a unique mix of unpredictability and experience.

Cheika’s Probables

The front row (1-3)
I can’t see Cheika meddling with a good thing here. The combinations are tried and tested and they are the three best experienced and best performing front rowers in his squad.

His potential picks
1. James Slipper (63 Tests)
2. Stephen Moore (92 Tests)
3. Sekope Kepu (52 Tests)

The second row (4 and 5)
I see Cheika sticking with experience in the second row, providing two lineout jumpers and using Skelton as a supersup.

His potential picks
4. Rob Simmons (50 tests)
5. James Horwill (58 Tests)

The back row (6-8)
With so much class and players to choose from, it is hard to predict which way Cheika will proceed with his back row selections. Pocock has been a standout and I’m not convinced that Hooper’s selection at vice-captain secures him a starting spot.

I know Hooper playing at blindside is a long shot, but I just don’t see how either flanker could be left out of the starting squad.

His potential picks
6. Michael Hooper (42 Tests)
7. David Pocock (45 Tests)
8. Ben McCalman (38 Tests)

The halves (9 and 10)
Cheika is a man who selects on form, which means he should technically select Genia and Foley, however I don’t see that happening.

His potential picks
9. Nick Phipps (28 Tests)
10. Bernard Foley (18 Tests)

The centres (12 and 13)
I can’t see Giteau starting for Cheika straight off the bat, or potentially even all year, leaving him likely to fill a spot on the bench due to his versatility.

Matt Toomua also doesn’t only offer a second ball player, but a dominant defender, something invaluable in international rugby.

His potential picks
12. Matt Toomua (21 Tests)
13. Tevita Kuridrani (20 Tests)

The outside backs (11, 14 and 15)
I think Cheika is most likely to carry Mitchell as a bench player, at least to begin with, providing either Tomane or the inexperienced Naiyaravoro a run. That being said, Tomane brings more to the table in defence and for that reason, I predict Cheika will give him the rub of the green.

His potential picks
11. Joe Tomane (14 Tests)
14. Adam Ashley-Cooper (104 Tests)
15. Israel Folau (29 Tests)

Cheika’s Probables (1-23):
1. James Slipper
2. Stephen Moore
3. Sekope Kepu
4. Rob Simmons
5. James Horwill
6. Michael Hooper
7. David Pocock
8. Ben McCalman
9. Nick Phipps
10. Bernard Foley
11. Joe Tomane
12. Matt Toomua
13. Tevita Kurindrani
14. Adam Ashley-Cooper
15. Israel Folau

16. Tatafu Polota-Nau
17. Greg Holmes
18. Scott Sio
19. Will Skelton
20. Scott Higginbotham
21. Will Genia
22. Matt Giteau
23. Drew Mitchell/ Taqele Naiyaravoro

This squad boasts 674 Test caps, 128 caps less then my possibles.

With so many options available to Michael Cheika, this year may prove to be the hardest year of selections in recent memory. No matter whom he selects, the man knows what he is doing and has proved it on a number of occasions.

His list of achievements as a coach include coaching Leinster to a Celtic League trophy in 2007-08 and their first ever Heineken Cup championship in 2009. He then took the reigns of Stade Francais, coaching them to two European Challenge Cup runner-ups. More recently he coached the New South Waratahs to their first ever Super Rugby title in 2014.

The road to the 2015 Webb Ellis Cup (Rugby World Cup) isn’t an easy one, but if there is anyone who can guide the Wallabies to raise the trophy for the first time since 1999 it is Cheika.

Who would you select if you were in Cheika’s position?

You can read Nelson Dale’s blog here.

The Crowd Says:

2015-07-18T11:05:43+00:00

FrancisF

Roar Pro


After watching the fiest half of the game against the Springboks , the person missing in the game is Tomane. Rob Horne is good but he is predictable and the Springboks basically gang tackle him with ease. Wallabies need a slippery winger who can accelerate along the touch lime. Tomane should at least be in the reserve bench. If not in the first lineup. The Wallabies lack the finishing touches which Tomane is pretty good at.Cjkeka blundered on this one. Skelton looked somwhat out of place.

2015-07-16T03:13:20+00:00

Blinky Bill of Bellingen NSW

Guest


" Rob Horne out of form". Really?I thought quite the opposite. He's maybe not the quickest winger running around but he fights really hard to get to the try line, seldom loses the pill in contact and is a terrific defender. He won't let us own.

2015-07-16T03:05:16+00:00

Mick Gold Coast QLD

Roar Guru


“Im not sure what you have against the bloke but he is an awesome player”
To comment on the bleeding obvious - over-excitable fan expectations of one bloke with the Qantas Harmless Wallabies who must be the world's bestestest - is now h8te speech?
"made is debut in 2006, 9 years ago! ... he is an awesome player"
He debuted in late '08. What about the bloke who made his debut in 2001, 14!!! years ago - fourteen! Eek!? In that time he's seen off our Smith, Waugh, Lyons, Pocock, Hooplah! and a brace of sixes from Finegan to Fardy; and won 80% of games against Australia and near 90% of all his games, mostly as captain. That's like, you know, "awesome", fully ... totally. Love the reliance on statistics - by comparison Pocock has won only 17% of his matches against the other bloke (one in '10 and one in '11) and just 62% of all his games. Schalk Burger? In 13 years - thirteen!!! - he's won 36% of his games against the All Blacks and 69% of all his games.

2015-07-16T02:30:54+00:00

bazza

Guest


WHan do all that in OZ ?? You still need two locks in a scrum Nelson . Skelton and ???????????????

2015-07-16T01:10:02+00:00

Nelson

Guest


Swap Horne for Mitchell (i knew it was a stretch) and fardy for Pocock and i had the team right. Not to bad ;)

2015-07-16T01:07:21+00:00

Nelson

Guest


David Pocock won the most forced ruck and maul penalties in the competition with 13 during the regular season. He only missed six of his 129 tackles and he scored 8 tries, the equal most tries this year by a forward. Im pretty sure he missed 5 games this season as well. Poey made is debut in 2006, 9 years ago! He has been around for a while, he has proven himself on Super Rugby and international stages. He has won games for the Wallabies against the likes of the springboks. Im not sure what you have against the bloke but he is an awesome player.

2015-07-16T00:51:55+00:00

Nelson

Guest


He lacks the impact in the tackle contact, when he runs the ball up and some times in the rucks and maul. I have seen Skelton on a number of times blow out a ruck and gather the ball, beat the first defender and put the oposition on the back foot with aggressive defence. Simmons just doesnt do that, he is however a lot better in lineouts and is still very effective.

2015-07-16T00:47:31+00:00

Nelson

Guest


I agree about genia mate, phipps just isnt up to it this year either. Giteau has been on fire in france, winning championships and getting player of the tournament! Will be interesting to see how he goes.

2015-07-16T00:26:19+00:00

Ken

Guest


teams out

2015-07-16T00:07:51+00:00

Mick Gold Coast QLD

Roar Guru


“suggests he (Pocock) is the best openside flanker in the world”
and
“his ability and skills around the breakdown are unrivalled in world rugby
He's good but not that good! This is right up there with "Two-Fathers is the finest centre in the country" - oops - forgot to add "to never pass a ball; and have a look at the minute by minute statistical analysis of his Own Ball Loss When Tackled Assists." There are several loosies in New Zealand, several in South Africa and several in the Northern Hemisphere who are better, bigger and more skilled in more facets. This wild claim is symptomatic of the Rodzilla Syndrome which has gripped Australian rugby cheerleaders for the past fifteen years or so - quick, find us a new face, pay him lots of loot and we'll make him a hero ... until he turns out to be merely human.

2015-07-15T23:56:20+00:00

marto

Guest


It must be southerners who think Simmons lacks aggression.. ( What is agression really ?) Do you want him to thuimp every player that comes near him ?? Do you want him to pull mean faces?? He is the best performed lock this last 3 years by a mile, he does his core duties well, cleanouts lineouts tackles and is never bludging...I dont get the ill informed opinion of him ..... P.S DOUGLAS TIMANI and CARTER have all failed ...

2015-07-15T22:23:18+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


I believe Poey is somewhere between Hoops (100kg) and Sir Richie (106kg)

2015-07-15T21:47:35+00:00

Westie

Guest


That figure is per arm.

2015-07-15T21:19:00+00:00

Trebla

Guest


I like your team but I am not convinced with your confidence in Giteau. I have not seen him play in Europe, I just remember him playing in Australia, and he was not so effective in his last years here. They tried to move him to halfback as it he was not making any breaks at centre. But I agree with you assessment of Pocock and Hooper... We must play both of them. The thing with Quade Cooper is his inability to deal with pressure on the field. How many times have we seen him run backwards, or go back to field a kick and then throw a pass in panic. He looks fantastic when attacking, but test matches do not really suit his game. I prefer Foley or Toomua. And it will be good to see Drew Mitchell back if they give him a go. It's time for a rugby team to be no 1 again.

2015-07-15T20:07:57+00:00

Nelson

Guest


That's what the source i used said. Having a quick look around, i can see anywhere from 105 to 115. Have a look at him next to Hooper who is roughly 100 or high 90s, poey is a fair bit chunkier than him.

2015-07-15T17:48:03+00:00

Rabbits

Guest


You sure Pocock is 115kg. That frame of his is probably worth 102kg max.

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