Grand Final Forecast: Hawthorn vs West Coast

By Ryan Buckland / Expert

The two best teams have made it to the first Saturday in October. With recent history largely a nil-all draw, this will be a true test of who truly is the premier of the AFL in 2015. It’s the 2015 AFL grand final, and here’s my forecast.

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Masters versus apprentices; it’s the champion Hawks against what has emerged as the heir to the throne in the West Coast Eagles. Both written off at various points of the year, each have emerged with near-full strength teams, and are set to make this a classic.

The Hawks are playing for history: a three-peat, and for one third of the team, a chance to join an illustrious club of four-time premiership winners.

The Eagles, well, it is now abundantly clear that their’s has been a slow, methodical build, and one that is just gathering pace.

It’s also master versus apprentice in the coaches’ box. The zero-time winner of AFL Coach of the Year Alastair Clarkson faces his old attacking line coach Adam Simpson. We’re almost at the point where Clarkson is less likely to coach against people he hasn’t mentored, aren’t we?

So will it be #anyonebutHawthorn? Or are the Hawks two hours from immortality?

AFL grand final
Hawthorn versus West Coast
The first Saturday in October, 2:30pm (AEST)
Melbourne Cricket Ground, Victoria

The ledger stands at 1-1, with both the Eagles and Hawks sticking a gold star on the wall following games at Subiaco Oval in season 2015.

Their Round 19 encounter was won by the hard-running Hawks, who closed down West Coast’s space and made us all think regular programming would resume in September.

West Coast didn’t subscribe to that, making Hawthorn look foolish in the first week of the finals. The final margin was 32 points (which was very close to Hawthorn’s combined losing margin in their six losses during the regular season), but that doesn’t do the game justice. At three-quarter time, the Eagles were up by 50, having kept the Hawks to a paltry 4.9.33 in 90 minutes of domination.

Whether Week 1’s match-up was merely Hawthorn on a bad day, West Coast on a good day, or a sign that the champs were about to be overtaken is nothing more than a curiosity at this point. The facts are that West Coast out Hawthorn’d Hawthorn on their home deck. The Hawks took just 54 marks around the ground – their lowest tally of the year. Their next lowest tally was 56, and came in a loss to Richmond in Round 18; the next lowest was 69 in a loss to Sydney.

It’s not a uniquely Hawthorn thing – keep the ball off any team and they’ll find it hard to kick goals – but when Hawthorn win, it usually comes with a lot of field marking.

You know this, of course, because it’s been talked about all year. West Coast did it by playing their zone behind the ball, but also by manning up through the middle of the ground.

The game was on West Coast’s terms by around the middle of the second quarter, and the Eagles had Hawthorn on toast from that point onwards. The Hawks had more of the ball over the course of the game, but were simply blunted moving forward. Grant Birchall, Isaac Smith and Shaun Burgoyne were limited to a combined 27 kicks, down from a season average of 37.

But there was something else at play, too.

At the best of times, Hawthorn move the ball forward using the left wing, which isn’t surprising given their penchant for southpaws. It forces their opponent to play on the left side of the ground, and brings Hawthorn’s skills dominance into play.

In the qualifying final, West Coast flipped the bird. Any time they received the ball on half back, they tried to transfer to the right side of the ground; where West Coast have a number of right-footed ball users. The possession maps in this game are quite remarkable in that respect. Sam Mitchell had 35 touches, but his effect on the game was minimal.

Both teams largely conceded one side of the ground, and backed their ball users to get the ball into the hands of their forwards. West Coast’s zone defence was strong enough to hold up in the face of Hawthorn’s string of medium sized forwards – Hawthorn’s folded.

There’s a massive caveat to this: Alastair Clarkson didn’t adjust. Don’t expect that to happen this time around.

After last weekend’s victory against Fremantle in Perth, the Hawks became the first Victorian side to win a preliminary final outside of Victoria. They have finished inside the top four for five straight years, made four straight grand finals, and are on the brink of bringing home three premierships in that time.

Even if they don’t win, there is a strong argument that they have overtaken 2007-12 Geelong as the best team of the modern era.

Throughout this year, the doubters have crept in again and again. Admittedly, I was one of them earlier in the season. But the team that will be suiting up – thankfully, in brown and gold, not Power Ranger – on Saturday will be one of the most battle weary and skilful that we have seen in the modern AFL era. The Hawks will start the game with more than 3600 combined games of experience in their line-up, compared to 2500 for the Eagles.

The Eagles don’t have a single 200 game player, Hawthorn have eight.

All this is to say champion teams don’t become champion teams by being terrible at football. The notion of being a ‘big game’ team is a bit of a fallacy, but being an experienced, successful team isn’t.

As far as the match-ups go, a lot centres on what West Coast decide to do with Sam Mitchell. Ross Lyon said there’s no point tagging him, because he gets the ball anyway – you’re better off trying to use that player to do damage the other way. We saw in the qualifying final this may be true.

West Coast haven’t really played a hard tag too often this year, and when they have it’s tended to be Matt Rosa on the outside rather than around the contest. Expect to see an attacking player try to go to Mitchell – Luke Shuey springs to mind, unless the Hawks put the hard-tagging Liam Shiels on him.

Luke Hodge has had an interesting finals series. He’s become a pseudo-tagger, going to the best midfielder in Hawthorn’s semi-final (Patrick Dangerfield) and preliminary final (Nat Fyfe) in an effort to make them more accountable. He made Dangerfield pay with four goals, and led the Hawks in kicks as Fyfe was hobbled anywhere but around clearances.

Hodge versus Matt Priddis will be a fascinating little battle, if that’s the way Clarkson goes.

Andrew Gaff and Jordan Lewis will likely go head-to-head on the outside, and that’s a clear win for Hawthorn if the Hawks can get the ball cleanly out of clearances. Gaff is a strong player with the ball in hand, but is still a year or two away from becoming a true two-way player. I could see a lot of Lewis third-man-up situations cropping up in this one, if that’s the match-up that comes to pass.

Ruck-wise, this has to be a clear win for West Coast. Nic Naitaui jumped all over David Hale and Ben McEvoy in the qualifying final, and the only time the Hawks looked like getting the ascendency was when Callum Sinclair took position. But it didn’t translate to a win in the clearances for West Coast, with the Hawks content to stop the Eagles from running forward or indeed preferring to rove to Naitanui’s hand. That’ll likely be the outcome once again.

I suspect the Hawthorn forward line will look dramatically different in this game: James Frawley won’t play forward.

He was made to look foolish for much of the game, as the zone defence of the Eagles crushed his ability to mark. That’s something of a game changer – Frawley back gives the Hawks a match-up for both Josh Kennedy and Jack Darling, and frees the interceptor-in-chief, Josh Gibson, to float around and be effective. Darling had a stinker, while Kennedy kicked three goals.

West Coast’s small forwards gave Hawthorn a headache in the qualifying final – they were a significant factor behind the lack of drive from Birchall, Burgoyne and Smith – with Josh Hill (three), Mark LeCras (two) and Jamie Cripps (two) all getting off the chain at various points. With Gibson freed up, I wouldn’t expect that to be repeated.

Down Hawthorn’s end, with no Frawley clogging up space the forward 50 will be freer for the mid-sized Hawks to play their ground-ball game. We got some insight into how the Hawks may try and manage the Eagles’ zone in their game against Fremantle last week: kicking the ball along the ground. It sounds crazy, and in some ways it is, but on a number of occasions the Hawks purposefully delivered the ball into the scoring zone on the bounce.

That’s one way to counter a very good intercepting system.

The other key factor here is that Luke Breust seems to have found some form in recent weeks, after a very lean month which culminated in a poor showing in the qualifying final. While he’s not likely to kick six goals against this West Coast defence, equally he’s not likely to be kept to 0.2 again, given Frawley won’t be there to get in the way.

And then there’s Cyril Rioli, who has been spending more time through the middle of the ground. He’s a ground-ball machine, and I would expect him to gravitate forward for much of this game to capitalise on West Coast’s zoning structures.

Who wins? I said in yesterday’s teaser that I was backing the Hawks by 24 points, but that after having a deeper look at the last time they met and respective match-ups this may change.

I have changed my tip. But I still expect Hawthorn to be the victor.

Hawthorn will be the victor in this one, in an 85-70 kind of game. I like to pick in six-point increments, so let’s say Hawthorn by 18. And I’ll stick with Grant Birchall as my pick for the Norm Smith – his drive off half back will be critical to Hawthorn’s victory.

That’s my grand final forecast. What’s yours?

Go Eagles!

The Crowd Says:

2015-10-03T07:00:37+00:00

Moosehead

Guest


Another beauty! Thanks for making me laugh Don.

2015-10-03T06:51:49+00:00

Moosehead

Guest


^^^this guy is hilarious! Man, have you ever predicted anything right? You make it to easy and i hope you have other hobbies because when it comes to sport you have no idea. Sorry to blunt but just trying to give friendly help! Enjoy the rest of your weekend! Hawks to good, Roughhead good but not good enough to get the bog!

2015-10-03T05:02:37+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


That's because they kept leaving the Marsh boys out. Play them together, they win 5-0.

2015-10-03T03:31:32+00:00

Moosehead

Guest


Dons predictions are not just limited to AFL. If i remember correctly he predicted Oz would beat England 5-0 in the ashes and that England will not once bowl Australia out in an innings.Went on and on about it before the series started. Thats my favourite! Hawks by 6 goals and Roughead as a smokey for bog.

2015-10-02T23:56:26+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


Hodge and Lewis don't have the toughness of Priddis and Shuey to harm them. They might have the dirty intention but NicNat and Sinclair will have the ball up forward so soon, Hodge and Lewis will be left behind. Last game Lake might try a knee or two on a few...but...that's just Hawthorn.

2015-10-02T17:14:51+00:00

jax

Guest


You're right. It's not the time to try something new either. JK kicked 4 of Chip in R19. He has improved since then as well.

2015-10-02T14:57:36+00:00

TheCunningLinguistic

Guest


Go have a milk and a lie-down, Gene. Maybe take a reality pill too.

2015-10-02T11:31:25+00:00

justinr

Guest


The game is there for the taking for West Coast, though you could have said that about many teams who've choked on the big day, esp. the Kangaroos in 1998. There's obviously been a lot of comparisons between Hawthorn 2015 and Brisbane 2003, but 2001 may be closer to the mark: the reigning champs taking on a brilliant but less experienced foe. The Lions had also scored a convincing victory in their previous encounter (by 28 points, similar to WC's 32-point win three weeks ago). This is also Hawthorn's 4th consecutive GF. Brisbane's 2004 decider saw them lead at half-time but swamped in the 2nd half. I think tomorrow's game might have a similar outcome.

2015-10-02T10:45:00+00:00

justinr

Guest


If that's the case then it's GWS by 22.

2015-10-02T10:11:40+00:00

Ken

Guest


I think if West Coast are in touch at half time they will win. They have the tools in attack and a very adaptable defence set up to manage the Hawks. Should be a terrific contest. Important for the Eagles to not be over awed early. If I was coaching the Eagles, I might put Darling in the square for the first bounce for a shield for the likes of Shuey and Priddis because I think Hodge or Lewis might go at one of them.

2015-10-02T09:48:11+00:00

AR

Guest


Dear oh dear. It's like debating with a flat-earther. Well, we all know Don's *statements* are wrong. I guess we'll find out tomorrow whether more of his predictions continue to be wrong too.

2015-10-02T09:37:47+00:00

Mister Football

Roar Guru


Looking at the stats across a whole season, not much separates the two teams. On the day, Hawks' superior ball use and grand final experience might prove too much.

2015-10-02T09:00:59+00:00

jax

Guest


I don't see the relevance? Some teams match up well on another eg Port and WC v Hawks. You're in for the game of your life but so is WC.

2015-10-02T08:59:05+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


You only played WC once? You got off easy. You think StK is easier than Carlton? Laugh! They even gave you a devastated Essendon twice...and you blew that.

2015-10-02T08:58:07+00:00

jax

Guest


I just watched the 3rd quarter of the Hawks v WC final and JK did good on Frawley. Frawley dropped a mark on the wing, Kennedy collects and starts a chain that results in a Cripps goal. Then at the centre square Nic punches the ball forward to a running Shuey who kicks it straight to JK. His kick looked perfect but swung left widely at the last minute due to the windy conditions. That would have been a goal any other day. Frawley is good don't get me wrong and it will be a great battle but JK will play his role and bob up at important times.

2015-10-02T08:21:35+00:00

AR

Guest


Ahhh. So those stats are the result of unfair fixture issues..? Like how WCE played GCS and StK twice, and played Haw and Syd once only in Perth? Keep at it Don.

2015-10-02T07:55:04+00:00

Dan

Guest


Ryan, I pleaded with you not to tip the Hawks! Just because you support the WCE. oh well the Hawks are going to help you beat Cam and Sean in the final week of tipping! May the best team win what is sure to be a cracking game. Go Hawks

2015-10-02T06:57:28+00:00

Don Freo

Guest


That's all to do with getting to play Carlton twice and getting home games in Tasmania. Against WC, they are bad.

2015-10-02T05:57:45+00:00

AR

Guest


"WC by 35 to 45. A very unaccountable defence against the best attack." Nope. Hawthorn are ranked 1st for points scored, and 2nd for points conceded. WCE are ranked 3rd for both.

2015-10-02T05:43:51+00:00

jax

Guest


WC are very at good man on man and forward pressure. Woosha was a man on man coach so they are well drilled in that discipline. They were the best forward press side under Woosh also. Simmo added some Hawks magic and voila. WC are 174% in 4th quarters. That's a stat across every game and ground. WC are 1-2 away from home. I assume that your counting the draw as a loss when it wasn't. WC have lost 3 games away from home this year I believe. I hope I didn't miss one. R1 - Dogs - 10 points. That's a very long time ago. R10 - North - 10 points in a cyclone after matching them to 3/4 time only to fall away in Q4 with the winds at the back. Also a long time ago. R22 - Crows - 57 points. One bad away game for the year and safe to say it wasn't best day at the office. The Crows wanted it more. It was a bad loss but more of an anomaly than an omen. We are all looking for little edges this weekend. You have yours and I have mine, it's all good. Let's hope that we have a cracking game and may the best team win.

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