Footscray: Sneaky '16 premiership?

By Nick Croker / Roar Guru

By popular demand I’ve jumped ahead to preview the Western Bulldogs – Footscray for the sake of keeping with the alphabetical order.

This side projects as worthy of a top-four finish. The overwhelming majority of players are at an age where their trajectory can comfortably be predicted as trending upwards.

Mitch Wallis, Jack Macrae, Luke Dahlhaus, Marcus Bontempelli and Lachlan Hunter are 23 or younger and collected more than 20 possessions a game in 2015. This places each of those players on a career trajectory two standard deviations above average for their age group.

If those players maintained their expected output, the Bulldogs would have five midfielders in the top-40 players in the league by 2020.

In a previous article I rated their midfield (the nine first-choice players to play midfield, excluding the ruckman) as the 11th best in the league. Although certain selection criteria were arguably responsible for this overall ranking, what is evident is that the Bulldogs share, along with Greater Western Sydney, the youngest and fastest improving midfield in the league.

Best 22
Backs Easton Wood Jordan Roughead Jason Johannisen
Half Backs Matthew Boyd Joel Hamling Matthew Suckling
Centre Koby Stevens Liam Picken Marcus Bontempelli
Half Forwards Luke Dahlhaus Jack Redpath Clay Smith
Forwards Toby McLean Tom Campbell Jake Stringer
Followers Will Minson Mitch Wallis Jack Macrae
Interchange Lachlan Hunter Lin Jong Shane Biggs
Robert Murphy

The fear in 2016 will be that this young side overperformed in 2015, and therefore a regression is inevitable in 2016 (see Port Adelaide 2014-2015).

Injury will be the telling feature in this regard, and is hard to predict. Nevertheless, key players from the Bulldogs 2015 side should continue their development. Certainly what we can say from a modeling point of view is that there is less certainty and greater volatility when players are at the beginning of their career.

Having said that, there is also a much larger sample set of data from which to analyse players at the beginning of their career, meaning that although long-term trajectory may have less certainty, we can be confident predicting short-term fluctuations.

To this end it is reasonable, barring injury, to be confident the players under 24 on this list will continue trend upwards.

The corollary to this youth, the experienced players, is also worth mentioning. Although there are few ‘old stagers’ on this list overall, those who remain are the perfect experienced foils for a young list.

Dale Morris, Robert Murphy and Matthew Boyd should theoretically be in decline from a modeling perspective, however all three continue to maintain form, and provide steady assistance to the likes of Jason Johannisen, Jordan Roughead, Easton Wood and Joel Hamling in a backline that always seems undersized but still performs well.

Murphy and Boyd are in as good form now as ever, this is especially noteworthy in the case of Boyd who has made the shift from the midfield to predominantly half back with ease. Add a quality ball user in Matthew Suckling and the Dogs’ defensive unit is among the best in terms of ability to win their own ball and dispose of it effectively.

It might be dangerous to expect too many players on the wrong side of 30 to maintain their most recent form, modeling suggests they should drop off, however the mix is balanced enough to offset this potential decline with emerging young players.

There is at least one notable exclusion to the best 22, and a couple of curious ins.

Tom Liberatore is clearly in the best 22 when fit, and on 2014 form would rate near enough to the best player in the midfield. His exclusion is only a result of my criteria for selection, which was based on assessing and weighting for 2015 data. His potential return to form poses a positive dilemma for the Bulldogs – who to leave out?

As far as inclusions are concerned, many readers will dismiss Will Minson. For readers familiar with my RPV analysis, this is my projection comparison for Minson and Tom Campbell

Player Hitouts 1 percenters Clearance Kicks Marks HB Tackles RPV
Minson 25 3 3.5 6 1.5 4 4 16.58
Campbell 25 1.95 2.1 3.96 2.76 7.1 1.8 13.54

You could also make the argument for maybe Roughead, Redpath or some combination of any of the four names I have mentioned. The problem is each of those players are decent but none stand out as an obvious choice for the number 1 ruck role.

Including Minson takes pressure off the other players mentioned, who are suited better to key defensive roles (Roughead) or key forward roles (Redpath and Campbell). In the forward line playing two genuine bigs in Redpath and Campbell also allows Stinger to play third tall, and this structure would be especially beneficial for his game.

I have Clay Smith in the side because the few games he manages to play each season still project him as in the best 22. I’m not exactly sure how much longer he is out, but I assume he’s still a way off. My replacement in this instance would be Mitch Honeychurch.

Biggest strength: Young, promising midfield
As I’ve already mentioned there is a deep, versatile mix of players in this midfield. It seems unnecessary to list every one, but since Matthew Boyd moved to a defensive role the Bulldogs’ nominal midfield is made up of players under 24 years old, with the exception of Liam Picken. The midfield is therefore steeply trending upward and exhibits a broad complementary skill set.

Bontempelli looks the complete package in terms of physical versatility and skill set, Picken can tag, Liberatore, Wallis and Macrae seem to do their best work on the inside, while players like Hunte, Koby Stevens and Dahlhaus can hurt teams with speed on the outside.

Of this young group, five will likely be in the best 40 midfielders in 2020 – a figure that will only realistically be matched by Gold Coast or GWS, who as we know had massive draft concessions to corner available young talent.

Biggest weakness: Ruckman
While Minson is still a decent AFL player he is on the other side of the hill as far as his projected statistical output. Additionally, the players who have held down the ruck role for the club recently do not seem to be obvious first choices for the position.

The player who ends up as the permanent ruck may well get the role by default. That is, if Campbell can be effective as a forward and Roughead plays his best football as a key defender, then the only true ruck man left on the list is, in fact, Minson.

The club might want to get games into Luke Goetz, I don’t know anything about him other than to say he is tall enough to ruck. More realistically, Campbell will probably play first ruck, Minson will not play, and the forward gap will be taken by someone like Tory Dickson.

This is not my first choice side, but because there doesn’t seem to be an obvious choice for the role, the team may experiment with different combinations.

Incidentally, all teams need to make stark choices about the type of ruck man who carries the role for the team. That is, teams either need a Max Gawn, Aaron Sandilands, Sam Jacobs, Todd Goldstein tap ruck, or a quicker, athletic ruck who can work around the ground in the vain of Stefan Martin or (in 2015) Mark Blicavs.

The Bulldogs don’t have a clear type in this regard, so whoever gets the job will have a difficult task week to week, adapting to either play more around the ground or to bang with the bigger players. I could envisage a ruckman who fulfills neither of these types falling into limbo, being out-rucked one week by Sandilands and outrun the next week by Martin.

Best mid: Mitch Wallis
Probably a controversial choice, because everybody loves Bontempelli, so let’s compare the two as far as 2016 projections are concerned.

Player 1 per centers Clearance Kicks Marks HB Tackles RPV
Wallis 0.52 6.75 11.47 2.6 17.1 5,4 27.74
Bontempelli 3.3 4.7 13.2 2 9.3 5.3 25.66

There is not a lot in it, but you have to give the nod to Wallis.

It’s worth acknowledging that Bontempelli falls into this category of player who is physically so versatile and seemingly has every athletic box ticked. This type of specimen sometimes catches the public eye a little stronger than others.

I watched the Bulldogs play at Craigieburn this past weekend and walked past Mitch Wallis – you could mistake him for still being in high school. The point is simply that players who look like normal, fit people (Wallis) often don’t garner the same level of attention as people who look like Roger Ramjet (Bontempelli).

Don’t misconstrue – Bontempelli is a complete gun – but the work Wallis did in 2015 as a ball winner and clearance player was underrated.

Best defender: Matthew Boyd
I wanted to choose Jason Johannisen but had to be consistent with my methodology. Apologies to Johannisen and his fans, he is probably more of a legitimate defender, he is also for mine the next best defender after Boyd in 2016 and projects as one of the top five defensive players in the league by 2020.

Boyd, however, is nominally a general defender as of 2015, even though he will go to contests and play as a stoppage mid when the ball is in his area. We can debate whether or not Boyd is a true defender (he’s not really), but he provides the most value of players in their backline.

He projects as a 25-plus possession player to go along with 3.5 one percenters and 7.5 marks. This speaks to his ability to link up and spread from defence, as well as win his own ball, a feature which he has always demonstrated throughout his career.

Nor should Boyd’s move from midfield to defence be undersold. Transitioning to a completely different role gets talked about as a benign shift, particularly when a player does it so seamlessly. Boyd brings many of his contested inside skills to the back line, which is useful, but at the same time he has had to adjust his game to suit the requirements of a modern running defender.

Teams can talk about moving players to new positions but rarely do they have the skill to achieve this shift seamlessly and maintain the same type of form as Boyd.

Best forward: Jake Stringer
The forward line is studded with one shiny gem in Jake Stringer. On this site alone there has been discussion regarding the awe-inspiring skill set this individual possesses, so perhaps it is unnecessary to restate the consensus.

However he is averaging nearly 15 possessions, 2.7 tackles and 3.5 marks a game in his third season, which puts him rare statistical company. Regardless of whether or not he continues to produce the same goal kicking form, a player of his size capable of taking contested marks and outrunning bigger defenders allows the Bulldogs a type of flexibility and versatility that many teams would die for.

The coaches association named Stringer as a key forwards in their 2015 All Australian side, clearly he has the ability to play as a central key forward, but he could be most dangerous as a third option. This is reflected in my 22, which has Redpath and Campbell as the key forward options, as well as Minson as a ruck and resting forward.

The best mismatches could be exploited with two truly tall forwards taking the biggest defenders and then allowing Stringer to work over a smaller player. He obviously has the pace to do the opposite (work a big forward over by running the up the ground), but getting a height mismatch would allow Stringer to exploit his opponent closer to goal where he is extraordinarily dangerous.

I also have a lot of faith in the statistical output of Jack Redpath. In 2016 he projects as only racking up eight to ten touches a game, which is not uncommon for a key forward early in his career. He does however project as recording 2.5 one percenters, 2.5 tackles per game, and 4.5 marks in 2016, and improving on this out to 2020.

Although his possession tally is likely to be unremarkable, if he meets my projected expectations he will produce above standard in those aforementioned categories, which would make him uncommon if not exceptional for his age and position.

It is important for this Bulldogs side that a player like Redpath is comfortable and effective as a key forward who will not necessarily be the first-choice goal kicker with Stringer by his side. He does however project as being extremely capable as a foil who can out mark his opponent when required, and work hard for his size to create opportunities for more dynamic players like Stringer. My data suggest he can and will be this player.

Conclusion
The Bulldogs have the fourth-best list in the competition this year. I’m nervous saying it, because I have the memory of Port Adelaide 2015 warning me against getting too excited about teams that have had one good recent season, but this team could win as many as 18 games. I would predict between 15 and 18 wins.

They are young, balanced, improving and have a variety of talent on each part of the ground. If they beat the teams they can and should beat, they’ll finish fourth. Then they as good a chance for the flag as anyone.

A sneaky flag ‘before they’re ready’ – in the vain of Hawthorn 2008 – is not beyond the realm of possibility.

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2017-03-14T22:25:59+00:00

Nick Croker

Roar Guru


Hey! This article looks pretty clever a year on! Give myself a big pat on the back! Well.. maybe - the starting 22 is a fair way off Ah well - I'm sure Dougie and mattyb can forgive me for thinking Minson should be in that team and trying to play Roughead at full back since they won the flag.

2016-03-13T10:59:15+00:00

mattyb

Guest


Geez Nick I've gone through the spreadsheet you sent and it certainly is detailed. I found it all very interesting and the projections through each year up until 2020 makes for interesting reading. My favorite projection was probably Macrea but that is kind of reverse biased as while I don't consider him our best player he certainly is highly underrated. I think your current data strongly point to this also. Thanks for going to the trouble to send me your data also mate,cheers.

2016-03-11T03:05:28+00:00

mattyb

Guest


Cheers Nick,have done.

2016-03-11T01:41:40+00:00

Dan

Guest


Haha Dougie, I was all prepared for his tongue lashing and it didn't eventuate- I think I'm disappointed! Sorry Mattyb, I've been puzzled by Ross Lyon's man crush on Dawson. His kicking is awful and I think the only way he beats his man is if there is 2 other Freo players helping him. Nick- wow that is a detailed response. I don't even know where to begin. I would enjoy having this debate with you over a beer whilst watching the Might H4wks (couldn't resist) beat Freo in the Prelim (haha again I couldn't resist). I guess there could be a number of ways of looking at the Hawks. If you at guys like Mitchell, Hodge, Burgoyne, Gibson these guys had possibly their best season at least for the last couple of years. They were supposed to drop off last year but they didn't. Everyone of them has completed their pre-season. It is hard to imagine their form drastically dropping. That being said I think we'll finish above Freo and the Dogs. I'm more worried about WCE and Port.

AUTHOR

2016-03-11T01:37:11+00:00

Nick Croker

Roar Guru


Hey mate send me an email at croker.nick@gmail.com and I will send you a spreadsheet. When I paste data into the comments section it is too messy and doesn't align properly under the headings. It ok when I do it for an article because the editors tidy everything up for me.

2016-03-11T00:11:37+00:00

mattyb

Guest


Hi again Nick. Just wondering while you have your figures on hand if you could give me a breakdown and comparison of the following players. Hunter, Jong, McLean, Daniel, Hrovat, Stevens, Smith. I would have included Honeychurch and Dickson but you have already outlined them in your comments but if you were to include them it would be great as it would save me scrolling across the comments to retrieve data. Thanks in advance and I look forward to seeing your analysis across this area.

AUTHOR

2016-03-11T00:07:49+00:00

Nick Croker

Roar Guru


Hey Dan -> With respect to quality versus quantity this is an issue that I have dealt with a lot in my analysis. What I found was that going back 10 years or so if you do a regression analysis of total disposal vs scoring, effective disposals vs scoring and ineffective disposals vs scoring I found this: total possession has a stronger correlation with scoring than effective disposal and ineffective disposal has almost no correlation with scoring. So what I deduced from that was while effective disposal is important, I could just allow for that by weighting total disposal appropriately in the model. Essentially effective disposal maters where two teams have equal disposal overall but there's a critical point where just having more of it gives you an absolute advantage. Now what I can't really account for is how one player effects another player. For example being effective with disposal means that you are fundamentally more likely to retain possession. Except for defensive stuff like tackles and spoils (included in 1%ers) it's hard to measure how one player might effect another player's ability to perform at the level I might expect. Having said all of that I hope that explains how I've accounted for effective disposal and weighted total disposal to reflect how closely it correlates with scoring. -> I wouldn't call Dawson a 'liability' per se. A liability would have to have negative value and detract from the team's performance which is pretty hard to do - at worst I would say even a poor player is just neutral (which is still bad). I would pick Alex Pearce or Alex Silvagni first. I also disagree that they're are only as good as the worst player. I think I'd say the opposite actually - teams carry limited contributors all the time and are in fact 'as good as' their best few players in that sense. -> The Freo forward line issue is partly a product of game plan (not that I object to that game plan as many do) - I don't think they 'go missing' (I suppose this phrasing is indicative of your belief they're inconsistent) but I do think they are one key forward away from having a truly excellent side. The subjective or compounding effect of this key forward would be that the team could go long and attack aerially more often which they are restricted from doing at the moment to some extent. I think Walters, Pavlich, MAYNE! (my personal favourite) are actually pretty consistent players and really hard workers. This is a bone of contention for me. I don't think you can draw a conclusion that 'Freo don't work in finals' - I just think they've come up against some good teams like Hawthorn last year and in the GF in 2013 and got beaten. I mean Freo have never been an unbeatable side - statistically there's always some chance in a head to head game that one will win. If Freo were finishing on top virtually undefeated cruising to GF's and then getting blown up by sides they were expected to thrash I might be on board but that's not how it is. I'm also not of the belief that there's such thing as a game plan that works rounds 1-23 and then all of a sudden doesn't work magically when teams 'take them seriously in September' - if I was Ross Lyon I would double down on the ugly defensive style and try and win a flag kicking 8 goals or less - but now I'm revealing my implicitly spiteful and vindictive psyche. -> Their midfield is great which we agree on. They are asked to do a lot of work and have serious endurance down do the last man. It's definitely their greatest asset but I think your comment is only true to the extent that it's true for all teams - if a teams greatest asset doesn't perform to its usual standard the team will struggle - I don't think Freo are solely dependent on this area as you are somewhat suggesting. Incidentally how often do they have 'off days' Fyfe broke his leg in the Prelim and still had it 24 times. -> Despite your potential fan bias you haven't said anything outrageous. I think the Hawks will be good again. I just think they have the 5th best 'best 22' - the problem with my preview or any preview is teams almost never get to play their very best 22 on average all the time. Upsets occur that don't mesh with expectations even with rigorous statistical evidence to the contrary. I'm basing my evaluation/prediction on the fact that the Hawks have a fair few players moving past what I would say was the peak of their careers. From a statistical average point of view I would expect them to start going into decline. I think even Hawks fans would admit you couldn't EXPECT the Hawks to win a 4th flag, it COULD happen but you wouldn't expect it (I assume!) The thing is with predictions like this one is I'm not saying it's 100% going to happen - If the Hawks finished on top it wouldn't totally surprise me. I just think the most likely outcome is that they drop off a bit and finish 5th and it's fundamentally a bit harder to win the flag from there. But they would only have to outperform my expectation by a bit to finish 4th and if they did that well who knows. I feel like my defense of Freo makes me come off as a bit biased maybe? I'm not a Freo supporter just for the record - have a man crush on Fyfe maybe but then come on who doesn't? Admit it fellas you know who you are.... ;-)

2016-03-10T23:47:22+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


We don't want any Poms in our VFL side Perry. Nah, just kidding. Good story.

2016-03-10T23:46:04+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


I agree with Dan matty. Dawson is a complete spud.

2016-03-10T23:44:54+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


Your pre-season summary was great matty. I don't have Foxtel and I didn't travel to Craigieburn (although I did listen to part of it on radio via afl.com.au), so I have to rely on media reports and the Doggies' website of how the boys performed. So it was great to get some more insight from you. Cheers

2016-03-10T23:08:28+00:00

Perry Bridge

Guest


A nice story back in the Footscray VFL side is young(ish) Sam Willatt. Born and Bred in England, comes from Birmingham, played with the University of Birmingham, and in 2014 he was picked in the 'European Legion' to take on the AIS Academy (names such as Heeney, Petracca, Goddard etc). Was named 2nd best for the Legion, and came out in August that year with the Great Britain team and shone up forward - made it into the World team in the forward pocket. Dec 2014 he was the first Englishman to attend the AFL-Europe combine (dominated as always by the Irish Gaelic lads). Very pleased to see him in Melbourne ready to give it a fair crack. He moves well (reminds me a lot of Nigel Smart). Goodish size and mobile and brings teammates into the game.

2016-03-10T22:12:57+00:00

mattyb

Guest


Dan,I'd hardly call Dawson a liability. I actually like him,others don't,liability is bit much.

2016-03-10T22:04:07+00:00

mattyb

Guest


I understood that mate,was just clarifying. :)

2016-03-10T21:50:49+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


Well said Dan. But expect an indignant response from Don Freo!

2016-03-10T11:36:24+00:00

Dan

Guest


Hi Nick, I agree it is a well written article and you have backed it up well with your stats. What I question is whether you have measured the quality vs quantity of possessions. I think this is where you'll find the Hawks separate themselves from the rest of the competition. They are an incredibly skilful side. I also think you have overrated Freo- their defence is only as good as their weakest link and I think you'll agree with me that Zac Dawson is a liability (which was proven during the prelim last year). I also think their forward line goes missing with far too much regularity and during finals with the pressure on it is hard to argue that they have not preformed. The midfield is what saves them- they run all day and kick a lot of their goals. If their midfield has an off day they are in trouble. I am obviously a Hawks fan so I admit I have a bias. That being said I think this year's top six will be very close and any team that even cops a moderately bad run with injuries could drop very quickly. The Hawks could not afford to lose Hodge or Mitchell or Rioli for an extended amount of time. If the Hawks are within shouting distance of the top 4 at the half way mark of the season and Roughead back- watch out. They'll be hard to stop.

2016-03-10T11:11:53+00:00

jax

Guest


Sure thing Matty and to be clear I wasn't dis-agreeing with any of your comments and if I did that wasn't my intention. I was just making a more general comment on the NAB Cup.

AUTHOR

2016-03-10T09:37:03+00:00

Nick Croker

Roar Guru


Ok Michael cheers - probably got a little excited with my response mate ? Are you a Dogs fan? No need for the pessimism in my opinion - Hawks have been great for a while but far from unbeatable. Plus no roughead for half a season will test them. And WC by the same measure are a very beatable team albeit a good team. Their back line could be stretched by a few quality talls in theory - lots of pressure on their midfield to press and limit opposition entries. I too think it's impossible for some of the teams you mentioned. The Crows I just think are a bit middle of the road, and the Tigers well... The world just isn't ready for that - but then Sanders started to feel the Bern in Michigan and Donald Trump might well be the next leader of the free world so bloody hell mate who freaking knows anything anymore

2016-03-10T07:23:19+00:00

Michael Huston

Guest


My comment wasn't meant as a disrespect to your article, Nick. It's a very well-written, thought out article. The beauty of football is that everyone sees things differently. I may consider one player to be excellent, while others just might not see it. So, while from my perspective I just cannot imagine anybody beating Hawthorn or a top-form West Coast, I respect that you can see it differently. I also choose to have a very real approach to football. Hawthorn's success the last three seasons has sucked the enjoyment out of things somewhat for me, so I would rather go in thinking it's impossible for a team like the Bulldogs, the Crows, the Tigers etc to win, that way if by some chance they do, it will be all the more surprising and pleasing. Maybe I'm just negative like that. But I meant no disrespect to your article.

2016-03-10T07:02:29+00:00

mattyb

Guest


Lol Dougie. Nicks side is pretty good though considering its picked via a formula he has invented and he sounds like a good bloke. What did you think of my pre season summery?

2016-03-10T05:28:37+00:00

Pumping Dougie

Roar Guru


I hope he's not on a downward trajectory already, mattyb

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