Can the A-League learn from rugby league?

By Gethin Perry / Roar Rookie

OK, I’ve become an avid consumer of The Roar over the past few months and I’ve finally decided that I need to add my thoughts on this promotion-relegation debate.

Hands up first, and I have to admit to being an escapee from the UK. For various reasons I’ve three English teams that I follow to a greater or lesser degree – Everton, Swansea City and Newport County.

Over the years, I’ve watched these teams at all levels of the English pyramid – Premier League, Championship, League One, League Two, Conference, and even below. There can be no better advertisement for promotion-relegation than Swansea City and Newport County.

Swansea have gone from the bottom of the League Two (fourth division) to the Premier League (first division) not once but twice over the last 40 years. Newport went bust and were kicked out of the football league and sent into exile, unable to play in their hometown. But were rebuilt at the bottom of the amateur leagues and finally won promotion back to League Two (that’s four promotions!).

After 11 years in Australia if I was going to follow an A-League team it would be Sydney FC, but the reasons I don’t are for another post. It may be blasphemy to many of you but give me a team in Sydney’s south and I’d be there with my kids every game. For now, I’m heading to watch the Sutherland Sharks in the NPL.

But what does all this have to do with promotion-relegation in the A-League? There are obviously two distinct but complimentary debates – expansion and promotion/relegation. My view is that we need to do both and the sooner the better.

I’ve been getting more and more into the A-League over the last few years and generally the standard is good and entertaining. This year especially with great competition at the top, and it’s good to see Sydney FC and Melbourne Victory doing well in the ACL too.

But the problem is at the bottom of the table. There sadly seems to be no incentive for clubs to improve, nothing to fight for except pride, with the exception of the Wellington Phoenix who know they only have four years to show improvements.

Expansion and promotion-relegation would at once broaden the base but also deepen the support, putting more bums on seats, viewers on TV and dollars in the bank accounts.

A national second division will broaden and deepen the game, exposing football to more people, in more places and strengthening peoples’ connection to the sport. The AFL and NRL are still reaping the benefits of this from being the dominant codes in Melbourne and Sydney. The only truly national football code is soccer but it won’t make the same connection with people without greater exposure and accessibility through more clubs that are closer to people.

Sadly football will go backwards if it doesn’t keep moving forwards and the gulf between the A-League and NPL will widen. When that happens the player pathways will stall and it will become harder for players to step up to A-League.

The ARU have recognised this in rugby union and are repeatedly trying to establish a national competition to bridge the gap between the state comps and Super Rugby. A national second division is essential to the future health of football.

As was noted in another post, people can be conservative and only look to what they know, so we keep regurgitating the standard up-down model and people keep throwing the same sticks at it. My suggestion is to look at the Super League – yes, that’s right, we might just learn something from rugby league!

Over the years, the RFL has had pro/rel, then the closed franchise system, and now returned to an innovative promotion-relegation system. Remember, rugby league in the UK is a minority sport played in a few heartland areas, but has managed to survive and thrive in the shadow of a much bigger code.

Sound familiar? They call it the Super 8s.

Here’s how it would work for the A-League:

• Add two more teams to the A-League making it 12 teams.

• Add a second division – A-League 2 – of 12 teams (there are enough ambitious NPL clubs to fill it).

• Each division plays a home-and-away season of 22 games.

• The two leagues then split into three divisions of eight teams (Division 1 the top eight from ‘A-League 1’, Division 2 the bottom four from ‘A-League 1’ and the top four from ‘A-League 2’, Division 3 the bottom eight from ‘A-League 2’).

• Division 1 and 3 carry their points over, Division 2 everybody starts from zero.

• The eight teams in each new division play each other once.

• Total regular season games for each club 29 (similar to now).

• The top four clubs in Division 2 are promoted to A-League 1 for the next season.

• Have a top four finals if you really need to.

This model has lots of potential advantages:

Firstly, it maintains interest and competitive edge through the season, and no club can afford to back off.

Second, it gives the A-League 2 clubs the opportunity to compete against better opposition which will improve their skills and attract more fans. The FFA Cup has shown the latent interest of seeing ‘small’ NPL clubs play A-League teams and this would build on that.

Finally, it provides a route for advancement and therefore investment.

I would expect that in the first few years it would be the A-League 1 clubs that stay up each year, but given time and the ability to improve, the A-League 2 clubs would be challenging.

No doubt there are lots of details to work out, but here’s a model that I think suits the Australian environment much better than the standard up-down model.

Whatever the answer the sooner a plan is put together the better. What do you think, Roarers?

The Crowd Says:

2016-03-31T05:29:04+00:00

football

Guest


Hey Gethin, how would Sutherland Sharks NPL go as the 3rd Sydney A-league team? do you think they have the capacity to be commercially and sportingly successful? thank you

AUTHOR

2016-03-19T09:24:15+00:00

Gethin Perry

Roar Rookie


This is the crux of it for me. People play football but watch something else. Granted the A League teams are reasonably young but I think there's more at play. Sticking with the Sutherland Shire because it's what I know. Last year there were 18200 football players and 27 clubs. This year there are 5000 girls/women alone registered and 460 girls teams across all age groups. By contrast there are 15 RL clubs which manage to put out 6 first grade teams. When SFC were up in arms about a southern team they had about 10000 members and claimed 30% from the south in to which they included the St George area. St George has 23 clubs so I'm guessing player numbers not far off the Shire. Managing to get 3000 members from a player base upwards of 30000 is poor to say the least. By contrast the Sharks regularly get low teen crowds, and the Dragons perhaps a bit better. The fish aren't biting......

2016-03-19T09:17:48+00:00

Justin Mahon

Guest


What if the 3 divisions based on the ladder down the two leagues was replaced by three divisions NATIONAL conferences in order that the result of the shuffle was that each of the capitals were ensured at least one. Team at the end of the season that stayed up protecting the TV footprint that funds the entire f'ing competition. Have not thought it through and, dire economics aside, it still may not work - just mashing a couple of ideas together.....

AUTHOR

2016-03-19T09:07:14+00:00

Gethin Perry

Roar Rookie


There are 3 divisions in the RFL pyramid. This system only applies to the top 2 divisions and out of the 24 clubs there is Catalans and London outside the heartland. The 3rd tier is a development league with teams from France, Wales, the south and Midlands of England and a few northern teams.

2016-03-19T07:55:11+00:00

Griffo

Roar Guru


Careful Waz, you might just convince your fans to go ultra on Roar P/R, and anything related to P/R in general, and protest with the governing body (CM) and stage a walkout :lol:

2016-03-19T02:27:03+00:00

Tom

Guest


This letter should be directed to the ex-chairman of the FFA as it is entirely his fault that this among other important issues have NOT been addressed!

2016-03-18T22:50:52+00:00

Uncle Junior

Guest


"Mindful too – a lot of the numbers that get published are male + female" Sorry that's not true. The ABS publishes participation data for male & female separately. Football has been the No1 participation team sport for males in every State & Territory of Australia for some time. And at a recent national sports business conference it was reported that for the 1st time ever football is now the No1 participation sport for females in Australia. The whole world knows football is by far the most enjoyable sport to play - all ages, all body shapes & sizes, male and female. Only in Australia people try to pretend it is not.

2016-03-18T22:30:18+00:00

Uncle Junior

Guest


From my understanding they bottom 8 teams from A1/A2 merger will be playing to stay in A2. I'd assume the top 4 teams survive in A2 the following season and the bottom 4 teams from this group will be relegated back to their respective State-based NPL competitions and replaced by 4 teams from those State-based NPL competitions. I quite like this system of promotion and relegation that has been outlined by Gethin Perry.

2016-03-18T21:53:30+00:00

Caltex & SBS support Australian Football

Guest


Are you wanting Kevin Bartlett (KB), he is on the AFL tab... Stop being childish.. You are boring us Australian Football posters, on our Australian Football tab.

2016-03-18T13:11:18+00:00

RBBAnonymous

Guest


Most of that money would be from the annual grant given to clubs already which is about 2.66m a year. So if a club gets promoted from the 2nd tier to the A-league they would be entitled to that.

2016-03-18T12:54:54+00:00

AZ_RBB

Guest


Why is it assumed that they will all stop supporting SFC? I think it's largely born out of the myth that a large portion of people left SFC for WSW. Over the last 4yrs I reckon I've asked at least 100 WSW fans what they did before WSW. Only 1 has told me they were a SFC member previously. There are more than enough people in the Sutherland region to build a club without effecting another.

2016-03-18T12:02:34+00:00

albatross

Roar Pro


In this week's 442 podcast they were saying a southern Sydney club based in the Shire would destroy Sydney FC's support which is apparently 40% from the Shire and environs. I don't know if this is true or not I am just pointing it out.

2016-03-18T11:58:32+00:00

albatross

Roar Pro


If you are going to have a 2nd Div with P/R to A-league how can you not have a fully professional teams? The wages and outlays would be in excess of 1.5 million a year which would go up exponentially upon promotion. Where is the NPL club that could sustain this?

2016-03-18T11:31:46+00:00

Perry Bridge

Guest


#Ian My comment is with respect to the fact that all soccer participation numbers shows Sydney/NSW to be it's Australian heartland. Mindful too - a lot of the numbers that get published are male + female which gives soccer it's dominance in contrast especially to the male dominated Rugby codes (not counting 'Touch'). #Rodney Olsen - The general gist remains however - England to Wales is still able to be encompassed within the borders of Victoria. Trecking 'internartionally' to France is less of a trip than heading to Tasmania.

2016-03-18T09:17:49+00:00

Punter

Guest


Your late afternoon posts never make any sense.

2016-03-18T09:07:25+00:00

BigAl

Guest


I must say the quality of your posts have improved immeasurably since your KB days - way more articulate and inventive ! Have they changed your medication ?

2016-03-18T07:30:31+00:00

Caltex & SBS support Australian Football

Guest


Yes they are, but if they were relegated to the NPL. What would their season average be..?

2016-03-18T07:28:04+00:00

SVB

Guest


He tries too hard to be witty and clever, but he just isn't up to it. It's like watching a bad comedy act.

2016-03-18T07:27:14+00:00

Caltex & SBS support Australian Football

Guest


Why?

2016-03-18T07:23:01+00:00

Caltex & SBS support Australian Football

Guest


Humour me... shouldn't you be standing on a ledge somewhere..? ;)

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