Racism controversy erupts at MCG

The Bears have been poorly treated I feel for you I want the Bears back on the central coast and there are hundreds of thousands who agree but the nrl are useless and it will never happen

Agent11- if science is measured along a constant can you explain to me why the very concept of constants is openly debated in the scientific community today? Scientists openly admit that they cannot prove that a constant is constant so I’d like you to prove that they are (I know that you can’t). “when you really understand science and how the universe is made up you start to realize that it is so completely beyond what the human mind can conceive.” Thank you for admitting that you don’t know and that it’s impossible for humans to comprehend it - you have just acknowledged that it takes faith - and if it takes faith then science must be a religion - which is exactly what I said - so can you now explain to me why theory is tarted up and marketed to the masses as scientific fact? “Questions about how it started, what it all means become meaningless.” You’ve placed a limit on your consciousness and you have no desire to discover how we came into existence which means you are unlikely to ever know. You didn’t rebut one of the points that I made - and my points challenge the very credibility of science itself. Please allow me to share some more insights into the religion of science. Since the early 1900’s science has been conducted under the aspect of philosophical materialism and the sciences are now wholly owned subsidiaries of multi-national corporations. Science is the delusion that we already understand reality, leaving only the details to be filled in - to use a game show analogy, science is Blankety Blanks marketed as The Chaser. There is a conflict at the very heart of science - it should be a method of enquiry based on reason, evidence, hypothesis and collective investigation - but science is in fact a belief system and worldview. This belief system has inhibited and restricted the free enquiry aspect of science which is the very lifeblood of true scientific endeavour - meaning it’s not true science. Science as we know it is based on deceit and it is funded by corporations and wealthy benefactors. If science didn't have anything to hide then why can't teachers put all of the facts about e.g. evolution on the table and allow open debate in schools and universities? If you don't encourage debate and creative thinking in education then what is it other than a system of indoctrination? Please cross-check everything that I am saying and try to find error, you'll struggle to find any. The research funding process is not a transparent one and only 10-15% of applications are approved which by itself isn't a concern but when you follow the money trail you will learn that the funding almost always invariably goes to the scientists that will produce the studies and outcomes that the funder desires. For example, climate change grants that seek to disprove that man is the cause are rejected (it’s a global phenomena) while those that can prove that man is the cause get all of the funding. That's not science - it’s pseudo-science. Isn't it strange that people all over the world believe that the ice-caps are melting while right before their very eyes Antartica's ice-sheet has been expanding for over a decade and the ice is now at historic record levels www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2015/s4343889.htm In the late 1890's there were multiple successive heatwaves the likes of which we have never since seen - Midnight Temperatures were recorded at 42 Celsius - yet the IPCC told us that 2013 was the hottest year on record? Science will try to tell you that we didn’t have accurate gauges back then - that doesn’t explain why 437 people died (on the eastern seaboard alone) due to the oppressive heat or why we had ‘climate refugee trains’ that people boarded so as to escape into the mountains and away from the heat - you can read all about it here http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/79288908?zoomLevel=5 and here http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/33121679?zoomLevel=4 and here http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14033806?zoomLevel=6 and http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/53682260?zoomLevel=6 and here http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/44132389?zoomLevel=5 and this one shows news articles of heatwaves occurring across the globe http://realclimatescience.com/2016/01/january-1896-hottest-month-in-australias-history/ The peer review process is over-rated and its flaws, and the ease in which studies can be manipulated to create pre-desired outcomes is not understood by most people, even the scientists themselves. Who funds these scientific journals? Some of them have had one scientist controlling the journal for decades so he acts like a God because one man is the traffic cop on his very own scientific information super-highway - the journals are primarily funded by universities who are in turn funded by endowments from wealthy benefactors. A peer review simply means that one (or more) scientists can replicate a said experiment. That doesn’t sound very robust to me. Scientists work in silos so while they might replicate an experiment they don’t understand, or have any control over how the data they submit is used to create big-picture outcomes. In the early 1900's the Rockerfeller and Carnegie Foundations funded the education system with massive endowments that fundamentally changed every aspect of education, google it. They asked many of the top academics of the day to re-write curriculum but most of them refused so they found academics that would and they were promoted, remunerated and they also received recognition, credibility, more funding, exposure and awards. They became the 'new experts.' These foundations made incredibly large endowments to all of the major universities and they took seats on their boards to ensure that their money was spent correctly. Behavioural Sciences alone received a grant of $50M USD in just a few years which is approx $1.6 billion AUD today. Homeopathy was a widely respected field of medicine in the early 1900's but it was soon eradicated from colleges - you can't patent a plant - then the AMA was formed and very soon only ‘doctors’ would be licensed to practise medicine. The active ingredient in pharmaceutical drugs are for the most part synthetic versions of plants that we find in nature and because they are synthetic they are patentable. It’s a very profitable business. The Gov't (our taxes) then subsidise these drugs. This was the birth of the medical and pharmaceutical industry as we know it. Doctors rarely discuss alternative treatments with their patients for fear of being discredited and losing their medical license which ensures compliance. Your health is not the priority, profits are. I'm only scratching the surface but I have left you with plenty to look into and I'd encourage everyone that reads this to try and prove me wrong by verifying this for yourself. You'll struggle to find error but you will need to delve deep, peel back the layers, sift through disinformation and think for yourself. Science is the fastest growing religion on the planet and it can’t prove the constants and theories that they sell to you as facts - it takes faith to believe in the religion of science and I haven’t seen enough evidence to be converted. Einstein encouraged us to forget everything that we have learned in school and to search for our own answers and only a fool wouldn't take him seriously. I’ve said all that I wanted to say and I want to close by thanking the Roar for allowing this conversation to be aired.

How did bad behaviour at AFL matches turn into an attack on football. I suggest you look after your own back yard before you start looking over he fence.

Muhammad claimed to have brought the words of God in book form, the Qur’an, which Islam teaches pre-existed in perfect form with Allah before all the ages, in what Islam calls the “Mother of the Book.” I truly don't get any pleasure out of telling you Jax, that if you've spent thousands of hours on this, but still don't get it, I'm sorry but you are wasting your time, and mine. I do however have one quote for you, and its kind of appropriate for you, seeing as you spend so much time defending Islam. “Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not practice the religion of truth, even if they are of the People of the Book — until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” (Qur’an 9:29) Feel free to have the last word if you wish, I'm done here.

Well, science is based in fact of that which can be measured along a constant and perceived by humans. But when you really understand science and how the universe is made up you start to realize that it is so completely beyond what the human mind can conceive. Questions about how it started, what it all means become meaningless. The only mainstream teaching that really understands this is Buddhism.

Can see which side of the fence this guy is on. Stop the boats hey rasty?

oohh, comeback of the year. Ingrate about what? Aussie Rules? It's great contribution to our society? What exactly? The banner? Or the booing of Adam Goodes? Performance enhancing scandals that last years? LOL

No I mean Pastafarians. Members of the Church of FSM. http://www.venganza.org/

I have never seen soccer fans systematically abuse a great of the game over the last few years of his career. I am not sure the AFL can really stand on any kind of moral high ground over racism.

^ It seems that racism and intolerance is not only the flavour of the month but suicide as a source of humour is also considered fair game amongst the AFL cravies. Never mind that many of it's players are considered to fall within in the most at risk demographic of self harm.

It's pretty appalling that blatant racism is not only unobvious to spot but even a matter of humour to AFL fans these days. You'd think they might have learnt their lesson by know, especially considering their evangelical attitude to spreading the game to new regions.

you are right anon - we are a modern, secular society that is very far removed from traditional religious values.

Do you know how many Iraqi's have died since 1990 G? Just Iraqi's, not Afghans, Syrians, Libyans etc. Some estimates place the figure as high as 4 million Iraqi deaths G (that's almost the entire state of Queensland) but very few will argue that it's less than 1.5 million. I see the cold blood that you are referring to but to put this into perspective you are talking about thousands - millions is a completely different kettle of fish but that's 'collateral damage' by our definition. Is one life more valuable than another G? I don't believe that it is but maybe that's just me? It's a terrible state of affairs I know but please take a wider geo-political view when assessing these things G. Peace brother!

that is ironic but could it be also intentional? Very little hits the mainstream media if they don't want it to.

I'm not condoning the banner but I didn't know that you owned football AR - though I must say, some of your previous comments had led me to suspect that you were a key player - thank you for being honest and confirming it.

I agree Big Al, the AFL (and society) is on a steep learning curve.

You made some very good points and distinctions in this post northerner, thank you. It's a mistake to call Australia, or any western country a Christian nation as they clearly aren't and you did clarify that distinction but I just wanted to re-iterate it. Judaic and Islamic countries (I have lived and operated businesses in both) are much better at integrating and aligning their respective religions into their daily lives as you have correctly identified. The west worships money while they (in some instances) worship God and at worst their belief in a God is much stronger than ours in the west. From their perspective we aren't religious at all and I would agree with them - which is a significant part of the disconnect as we worship money much more than they do. I would go a step further and say that 'the average Christian' (as you defined it) isn't a Christian - just like you can't be half-pregnant. If you aren't living your life according to the Christian bible then you should not call yourself a Christian as others will deem you to be one and therefore connect your daily actions with Christianity, thereby hijacking and misrepresenting the religion as is so often the case. Also, forget about the 10 commandments (that's OT/Judaic/Islamic law) that all of the Big 3 mainstream Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) are hanging on to. There are only 2 commandments in the NT and I'm paraphrasing now - 1. Love God above everything, and 2. Love thy neighbour and don't covet his possessions. Obey those two commandments and you can literally ignore the rest as the other eight all dovetail into these two. Christianity is a way of life but very few walk their talk, that's why we (for the most part) aren't Christian in any way, shape or form.

After last years abuse of Adam Goodes, I imagine the UPF saw a market they could exploit. When you let prejudice fester it tends to get ugly very quickly.

Furthermore, what were you thinking by quoting a single verse from the Qur'an only to follow it up by stating that Islam is prescriptive? Prescriptive (Websters definition) - "based on customs usually handed down from a previous generation." Which one is it Xiedazhou? Is it possible that it could be a combination of both (and more)? If so, then doesn't that prove my point i.e. that it boils down to interpretation (among other things like translation etc). Please believe me - I'm not getting any pleasure out of this but if you continue to state things that you haven't properly thought through then you should always expect to be challenged and you should also admit (even if only to yourself) that you may have been wrong. I suspect that you've had a limited and less than ideal experience with Islam. Saudi can do that to anyone I know. Maybe it's recent or maybe you're hanging on I honestly don't know but I would encourage you to take a deep breath and take a good hard look at where your opinions stem from and test all of them to see if they are in fact accurate. I wish you well on your journey my friend. Peace brother!

Any other what? Wrong,, Sadly wrong.