Eddie's England could be a real threat to the Wallabies at home

By Fox / Roar Guru

If the Six Nations win followed by England’s pre-tour hit out against Wales proved anything, it was that under Eddie Jones this new look English side is far cry from the one that looked rudderless at the 2015 World Cup.

And they are getting better individually and collectively as the new coaching regime gets into full gear.

Does this mean they will beat the Wallabies at home to win the series?

No it doesn’t, but it does mean that the result it is not close to a foregone conclusion either as some might believe.

The addition of the exemplary breakdown knowledge and skills of George Smith, and attacking insights of Glen Ella being injected into the coaching staff should not be underestimated.

Even if the fluency of England’s backline distribution was not always there against Wales in their recent pre-tour match with a somewhat experimental backline it must be said, it would be folly to think the influence of the new coaches will not make their mark by the time the Wallabies meet England in the first Test.

Their combined knowledge of Australian rugby, its players and culture, will also be a valuable asset in breaking down Australia’s strengths and weaknesses and how to target them.

I mean, how much more confident would we all be of a 3-0 series win to the Wallabies if they came with an all-English coaching crew?

Whether you love or loath the outspoken mischievous character that is Eddie Jones, he is an excellent tactician, and dangerous opponent working for and/or against teams he has been involved with in a coaching capacity – Just ask the Spring Boks.

Eddie Jones was there in the South Africa’s last world cup victory in 2007 as a tactical advisor, then subsequently masterminded their most humiliating defeat at the hands of Japan at the 2015 World Cup.

The Wallabies will be hoping they don’t share the same fate, and this is a revitalised England, not an aspiring Japan that was given about as much chance against the Boks as an injured fly against a praying mantis.

Furthermore, and with the greatest respect to Michael Cheika who has done a wonderful job in resurrecting the Wallabies and will continue to do so I’m sure, Eddie Jones is the vastly more experienced combatant at international level, or indeed Stuart Lancaster for that matter.

The personnel changes in both staff and players Eddie Jones has made, England’s recent successes, and the clear progression of the English team since their forgettable World Cup campaign, is telling.

They have been unbeaten since Eddie Jones took charge.

Jones has also stolen Bath’s vaunted scrum and forward coach Neal Hatley to get the English scrum back to where it used to be as powerful force. The English set piece was a shadow of its former self at the World Cup, and this simply will not do in the culture of English union.

Hatley was born in England, and not surprisingly, began his life playing football, but when his family moved to East London in South Africa when he was 15 years old, he had little choice but to play rugby. At that at that time, his newly adopted school didn’t even have a football team. It was there he learned the dark arts of being a prop in the 15-man game.

Now at age 46, Hatley has gained a considerable reputation as a forwards and scrum coach.

Two head coaching offers have come from South Africa in the last twelve months to lure him back there which gives you an indication of how highly he is rated.

Bath head coach Mike Ford is disappointed to lose him, saying Hatley puts in very long hours with the players, and is a real stickler for technical detail not only in the scrum, but in defence and attack.

It could become an interesting battle up front this Test series after Australia’s embarrassing dominance of their pack at the scrum at the World Cup.

Ironically, it is England’s tight five who have a point to prove this time round with a new look side, but one that naturally features some familiar and experienced Test names who did not suffer the blunt blade of the chopping block in the fallout of England’s ignominious World Cup campaign.

England certainly have the players in their tight five to get back to where they used to be.

After all, scrum prowess has long been in English rugby’s DNA.

It has not suddenly just vanished.

The Crowd Says:

2016-06-16T03:41:55+00:00

Jemesa

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ho ho ho

2016-06-16T03:41:33+00:00

Jemesa

Guest


hee hee

2016-06-16T03:39:28+00:00

Jemesa

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hahaha

2016-06-08T05:26:33+00:00

redbull

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round ball and egg ball

2016-06-08T05:23:23+00:00

redbull

Guest


"you can't call it football if you use your hands" thats why (the Scottish singer from Australian Crawl)

2016-06-07T22:30:35+00:00

Jerry

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It's not only about away games, it's about both home and away - but given one side of the equation had an overwhelming home advantage (in the matches you referred to anyway) the fact that they didn't also have an overwhelming winning record or indeed a winning record at all suggests they do indeed struggle.

2016-06-07T22:14:08+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


It doesn't exactly prove it either. :) Some NH sides have struggled to beat some SH sides might be more accurate. For example: Wales are 10-0 against Australia- home and away Ireland are zero in 1033 years against NZ - home and away etc, etc. If the discussion is about away games only, then it's a slam dunk. The NH sides have been cr*p. No debate from me.

2016-06-07T21:54:06+00:00

Jerry

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I was responding to his statement that the NH sides have struggled to beat SH sides - and showing that 3 NH sides have only managed a 50% record vs Aus despite playing nearly 2/3 of those matches at home doesn't exactly disprove the statement.

2016-06-07T21:37:21+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


I don't think anyone was bringing home and away into the statement. Train Without A Station said that: Australia haven't lost to Ireland since 2011. They have - in 2014. England have the best record winning 4-4 since 2010. It's actually 4-3 since 2010 I was just adding in the actual records since 2009 for some of the NH sides vs SH opposition. Perhaps I should have included another SH team such as Argentina, for example, since 2009: Eng v Arg 5-0 Fra v Arg 3-3 Irl v Arg 4-1 Sco v Arg 4-2 Wal v Arg 3-1 Just saying like....

2016-06-07T21:21:08+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


"Yes England have improved dramatically since the RWC but are still outclassed by SH Rugby and not up to the standard" How have they improved dramatically if they have not played up to the standard set by SH rugby?

2016-06-07T21:15:54+00:00

Jerry

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Of those matches, 4 were in Aus, 11 were in Engl/Scot/Ireland and 2 neutral. Given the overwhelming home advantage the NH sides had I think 'struggled' is somewhat accurate.

2016-06-07T21:04:44+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


Hmmmm..... Since 2009 versus Australia England 4-4 Scotland 2-2 Ireland 2.5-2.5

2016-06-07T20:44:45+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


And Australia is not? I've been on the Roar long enough to read about quite a few false dawns about Wallaby dominance - next year. Hasn't happened just quite yet though.

2016-06-07T20:37:48+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


Introducing facts again, Timbo? Tsk, tsk.

2016-06-07T02:52:50+00:00

Eagle roarer

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Winning in the Northern hemisphere is irrelevant. it is a second tier competition at best. There is no evidence to suggest that the wallabies will struggle to dominate England and every reason to believe we will win 3 - 0. any other assumption is buying into the hype. Yes England have improved dramatically since the RWC but are still outclassed by SH Rugby and not up to the standard even without factoring in travel IMHO

2016-06-06T14:33:36+00:00

taylorman

Roar Guru


Whew, he's some coach then for that reversal to happen!

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2016-06-06T14:04:59+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


HI Nick yep good points but I think to be fair to Eddie he has grown as coach since his Wallaby and Reds days. I mean look at Steve Hanson's record at Wales. It is hardly awe inspiring but he is a very different customer today. I do agree that the best way to get inside England's head i to dominate their scrum but I think Australia may struggle against the English lineout as well. Big raps to hear former players say he is the best coach England have had though. Interesting.

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2016-06-06T14:04:59+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Sorry i have bit of glitch on my computer that seems to send twice on one send - wierd

2016-06-06T14:00:17+00:00

Goatee

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Taylorman. Yep, I've been rumbled! What was I thinking? How remiss of me to mention England's last game against Australia at Twickenham. While Akari may not have referred to the last RWC directly, the reference was implicit in his response to the previous post from Dean... It seems the one thing we can agree on is the scoreline, 2-1. Except I'm tipping England to win the 1st and the 3rd test. However, whatever the final result might be it would appear that the series is shaping up to be a cracker!

2016-06-06T13:57:42+00:00

wardad

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May have some interesting "tales' from betwixt their legs you reckon Miele? Just pulling yours mate !

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