Mainstream media, get your story straight about Eddie's comments

The Roar has to get serious about the some of the boofheads it lets write on its site. If one cannot see the difference between the malicious intent of McGuire (he brought Caro into the conversation deliberately to malign her) as opposed to the dumb attempt at a joke by Tony Shaw, then you are not a journalist's bootlace. To suggest they were the same is like saying you hear wear a hoodie to keep your head warm then you see a member of the Ku Klux Klan with a hood & think "Oh he must be cold too."

The Afl were good in challenging the behavior of Mc Guire, Brayshaw, and Frawley, but they were inconsistent at best, and hypocritical at worst in not applying some form of penalty or sanction against the above mentioned media and club people. They deal harshly and correctly with North Melbourne and Brad Scott, but crucified the Adelaide recruit officer for remarks he made a few years ago. The AFL have punished players for bringing the game into disrepute, so why not club presidents and officials. The AFL has missed an opportunity to make clear its opposition to violence against women by setting its bar to low. The AFL can and must do better on this.

thats a really bad comment. to acuse the writer of being part of the reason why violence happens against women is a bad cheap immature shot.

" all while laughing at having people pay to have her thrown into ice water". You reckon being at a charity event where people are paying to have others thrown into ice water (including Eddie) is a factor in that?

Ben gets it. It's enabling. Giving SOME people the feeling that acting out hatred or murderous impulses is somehow OK. Eddie has massive form in this kind of thing. Adam Goodes and King Kong. Look how well that turned out. He is a bully and enables that behaviour too. Ask Duck and Barratt how they REALLY feel. He put them in a very difficult position quite deliberately. Getting power over them. It's his modus operandi. Saddest of all is that it completely screwed up an AFL initiative that has both social AND COMMERCIAL value. I hear that 40% of AFL attendees are women. Have you noticed not one of them has posted here? Holden gets it. They understand that this hurts their brand. It most certainly is NO JOKE.

Caro doesn't "pretend" that. She CLAIMS that ground at all times. Andy is doing the pretending.

Pretend? When has Caro claimed 'gender'? Disappointing you refer to reporting as 'attacks'. McGuire calling her names, and slagging her off... all while laughing at having people pay to have her thrown into ice water and held under. Look up misogyny. Your argument is poor, and you fail to understand how that kind of behaviour impacts people's attitude and conduct towards women.

I'd agree that they all made distasteful comments. I wouldn't agree there was a need for widespread condemnation because I don't see it as an attack on women. It's an observation against a prominent personality. That prominent personality just so happens to be a woman. You think she's targeted as a woman, but ignore that she's one of the most divisive figures in the media and that's what she's targeted for.

So if I told you that McGuire, Frawley, Brayshaw and Shaw were all in the wrong and should be condemned, would you agree? No, of course you wouldn't.

No. Shaw's were almost identical. He's just less polarizing.

"So we only want to stamp out violence against women, not violence as a whole?" No. But stopping violence against women is where it has to start.

Not to mention there is a large and increasing body of literature on the link between learned attitudes and violence toward women. Hard to accept there wasn't a gender angle when Eddie follows through his frankly bizarre little rant about a "black widow".

I think Caro was more offended by the "Black-Widow" reference. What this topic shows is a big deal is made about this to try to change the mind set - but, that doesn't mean Eddie and Co need to be given a big whack. The discussion is healthy. The condemnation is a little over the top given it took almost a week to bubble to the surface.

Because Shaw's comment was different to Eddie's. But I thought you already knew that.

"If this is true, wouldn’t you rather calmly and respectfully coax people to your way of seeing things?" It is just unfortunate that some people do not respond to such techniques when I try them. But there certainly a case for shaming those who defend violence against women- treating them like an equal goes some way towards vindicating their behaviour.

You haven't said a negative thing about them. You're focused on a sole individual it seems.

People need to get a grip. Honestly attacking someone because they wrote an article on roar which is not scathing enough is ordinary and its frustrating. Just because we aren't lynching Eddie doesn't mean we are any less opposed to domestic violence as the next person. 99% of the population is against domestic violence. For me personally, this story has had way too much oxygen. There are mass killings, wars and just yesterday one of the largest paedophile rings in the world was brought down which effects tens of thousands of children yet we focus on what one stupid journalist said over a week ago about another journalist.

"And you disregarding Tony Shaw’s comments make you part of the problem too" Who said I supported Shaw's comments?

Fair.

And you disregarding Tony Shaw's comments make you part of the problem too. A hypocritical part who picks and chooses who they criticize.