Perfect 10: The great Quade-Foley debate

By Oblonsky‘s Other Pun / Roar Guru

Since Quade Cooper’s return to the Wallabies line-up in Bledisloe 2 a large amount of the chatter among Wallabies fans has been about whether he or Bernard Foley should start at 10.

I, however, cannot even understand how this is even a debate. Quade is obviously the better choice.

Bernard Foley
I had taken a critical view towards Quade almost ever since the 2011 World Cup, and do not want to sound unfairly critical of Foley as I was a big fan of his over 2014 and 2015. However, in 2016 Foley has been almost unimaginably bad; whereas Cooper has generally played his best rugby since 2011 with a newfound level-headedness.

Statistically, Quade and Foley are equally poor defenders.

The advantage of fielding Foley at 10 is that he offers a more level-headed game, although he does not posses Quade’s attacking abilities. Unfortunately, Foley’s 2016 form has been catastrophically poor.

A common criticism of Cooper is that he takes the ball too deep as first receiver. Foley, playing 10 against first England and then New Zealand, stood deeper than Cooper ever has.

Foley missed easy goal-kicking opportunities against England. While his kicking has improved out of sight he also missed an easy kick – twice – against Argentina when the pressure was on.

His tactical and long-range kicking has been shocking as well.

He had multiple kicks charged-down by New Zealand in Bledisloe 1. Jerome Kaino’s led directly to a try, and Foley was lucky that a try from another charge-down was disallowed due to a slight offside. Even when he gets the kick away it line he rarely gets the ball further than our 22 when kicking from our goal-line.

When Cooper, Will Genia and Dane Haylett-Petty took over clearance kicking in Bledisloe 2 and against South Africa, Wallaby clearances improved out of sight. Unfortunately, Foley once again took up the job against Argentina and again we struggled to clear the ball outside of our 22.

Foley is also abysmal when kicking for touch, rarely gaining more than 20-30 metres and often failing to kick it into touch.

Additionally, his passing game has been woeful.

He set up South Africa’s second try by passing the ball directly to Adriaan Strauss, allowing the Springboks to run the length of the field and score when Australia had almost been guaranteed to score.

Later in the game Foley again passed it straight to Strauss.

Foley at 10 has another disadvantage. Foley requires a playmaking 12 outside of him in order to play effectively, whether it is Kurtley Beale with the Waratahs or Matt Giteau at the World Cup. With Giteau, Lealiifano, Beale and Toomua all injured we have no such options (Reece Hodge is a terrific talent but not there yet). Quade does require the playmaking 12.

Foley’s ineffectiveness at 10 can be seen in the fact that against England Australia enjoyed 64 per cent possession in Game 1, 71 per cent in Game 2 and 53 per cent in Game 3, yet the Wallabies lost every match.

With Quade at 10 the Wallabies had 33 per cent and 51 per cent against Argentina and South Africa respectively, and won both matches.

Hodge is also a better goal-kicking option Foley, robbing Foley of his other main advantage over Quade.

Quade Cooper:
Quade, on the other hand, offers attacking and kicking opportunities that Foley is simply incapable of. Just look at how he set up tries to Dane Haylett-Petty and Michael Hooper with two beautiful inside balls.

He also has the ability to kick the ball out from near our goal-line to halfway, immediately alleviating the pressure on the Wallabies’ defence.

Cooper also combines better with Genia than Foley does.

Quade occasionally still gets lost and drifts sideways, but he has been much-improved in taking the ball to the line. It also must be remembered that it is only his third match back in gold.

Quade’s late hit on Nicolas Sanchez in the most recent game against Argentina was a terrible error. However, it alone does not negate the obvious advantages he has over Foley until such mistakes become regular occurrences.

For the foreseeable future, Quade is our best choice at 10 by far. Because of his poor rapport and teamwork with Foley, Hodge should be brought into 12 and Foley should be moved to the bench.

The Crowd Says:

2016-09-23T01:30:35+00:00

Jimbo81

Guest


100% spot on!

2016-09-21T22:39:59+00:00

mtiger

Guest


Regardless. Not his fault WBs lost 0-3 to England. Argies are not ordinary. What did Quade do to you?

2016-09-21T18:05:03+00:00

Boz the Younger

Guest


Yes.

2016-09-21T15:30:33+00:00

mtiger

Guest


OMG. The reality is Quade is the best WB option into 2019. The 2015 played book QC, Foley was coachable and go there. CLL can't win it on behalf of WBs. The only way is to play book QC, and use younger FHs and Foley on the same play book. With Folau, and Kerevi, and others coming through, may be a repeat of 2019. Why not

2016-09-21T12:48:54+00:00

Rugbyftw

Guest


I actually think foleys best position is 12 (if he could improve his defence). It could put him in more positions where he can either distribute or dummy and use his strength to bust a tackle (which is his best attribute). Not to say that he is the best option at 12 for the wallabies, but could be his best position.

2016-09-21T11:35:12+00:00

RubberLegs

Guest


I am interested to see the current state of Quade hating... Please run another on-line poll. List Quade and all of the other prospects and see who the Roar contributors would pick at #10 . Lilo, Jimmy Beiber, Toomua, Zebra, Gitts, Special K , Bernard and Berrick all had their share of fans last time. Compare the results with the last poll of that type.

2016-09-21T11:27:52+00:00

RubberLegs

Guest


League flyhalfves get to stand 15-20 metres from their opponents when the ball is played ... just like Bernard.

2016-09-21T03:52:43+00:00

sean

Guest


I think if Cooper could tackle and really drive/hammer the opponent (ie wilkinson) then we would all be satisfied. Send Cooper and Foley to tackle school. If the little guys can do it (Genia() then so to should anyone wearing a 10 or 12

2016-09-21T03:17:16+00:00

MrTommo

Guest


For the Longest time, since his early days at the brumbies I would of thought Zack Holmes. Unfortunately he couldn't get a decent shot at the Force (disappointing given the fact he is a Perth boy) and was stuck behind Ebersohn for 2 years. Now he's playing bloody well for La Rochelle in the Top 14.

2016-09-21T02:31:10+00:00

Richard

Guest


It`s only Foley lovers and Kiwis .Especially the Kiwis as they have never forgiven little 85 kilo QC slapping around their 100 kilo Flanker RICHIE.. Kiwis are still embarrassed their flanker was bullied by QUADE ,so they feel they need to defend Ritchie as he can`t do it himself. Quade boxed him around the earoles a fair few times which was hilarious television ..... I can`t see why un zudders still get upset and some are still crying 6 years later .. Move on. .We`ve moved on from OWEN FRANKS eye gouging KANE DOUGLAS...Have few concrete sandwiches harden up and let the butthurt GOOOOOOOOOOOO

AUTHOR

2016-09-21T01:55:02+00:00

Oblonsky‘s Other Pun

Roar Guru


I'm in complete agreement, PiratesRugby. I find it quite perplexing that people continue to sing Foley's praises above Quade's at the moment. That being said, people are doing it still.

2016-09-21T01:05:54+00:00

Timbo (L)

Guest


I like both Johno and Debreczeni but they are both rough diamonds and need mentoring in a squad. Godwin is a bit more polished. Cheik has put him in the squad,

2016-09-21T00:57:18+00:00

Timbo (L)

Guest


How about giving him his NRL position at #11 back. That is where he made his bones and is probably best suited. Give him license in the game plane to roam inside 13 like DHP did to score the other night. I would like him to roam to the bench or further away, but I fully understand that he is a TV ratings magnet drawing viewers from other codes. I may seem like a conspiracy theory nut but I am also a realist. Rugby has become a reality TV show. Popular characters boost ratings.

2016-09-21T00:40:13+00:00

Timbo (L)

Guest


Kyle Godwin is in the training squad. Wouldn't he logically be the next guy to get some minutes?

AUTHOR

2016-09-21T00:39:07+00:00

Oblonsky‘s Other Pun

Roar Guru


You're right, they won't. They did even drop him to the bench in the RWC when he was injured and totally ineffective, while Beale was in career-best form and often took over the match for us every tome he came onto the field. But they could switch Folau back to the wing.

2016-09-21T00:15:10+00:00

PiratesRugby

Guest


There's no debate. Quade is an electrifying runner with a bullet pass. Foley plays for NSW.

2016-09-21T00:05:24+00:00

Richard

Guest


HAHAHAHA ....Turn it up!!! They will never ever ever ever drop Folau ...He is the ARU`S marquee player.. No way would the ARU board condone this...

2016-09-20T23:57:47+00:00

Richard

Guest


R2D2, C3-PO needs to de-activate you, as your Neuronet processor is malfunctioning.

2016-09-20T23:51:59+00:00

Buzzard

Guest


Scott Bowen played a few tests at 10

2016-09-20T21:44:34+00:00

Dave_S

Guest


I suspect a lot of the promising 10s are being contracted to league in their teens. They stand out because they are creative so they get scouted. ATM rugby just can't offer the same availability of pathways. Until the rugby game grows here hard to see that changing.

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