St Kilda setting themselves for a humongous trade

By Ryan Buckland / Expert

Is it time to stop calling St Kilda a rebuilding team? The Saints are five years removed from the Ross Lyon era, and are in the midst of a second straight slam dunk trade period.

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St Kilda’s 12-win season should have been one of the stories of the AFL this season. No one with any semblance of profile or platform gave the Saints a chance to escape the lower rungs of the ladder, a place the team had called home from 2013 to 2016. Some writers saw a good season was in prospect, but they were in the minuscule minority.

Coach Alan Richardson is building a flexible, pressure oriented team with depth and tenacity to burn. In reaching a dozen wins, St Kilda beat every team that finished below them, and lost to every team that finished above them, except for four games. Wins against Geelong and the Western Bulldogs were offset by losses to Port Adelaide and Gold Coast.

That was the best case scenario for this team in this year: winning against the bad teams, and losing against the good ones. What Richmond or Collingwood would have given for a season like the Saints pulled off.

But, there are reasons to be wary. Progress is rarely linear – the Dogs of this year and Hawks of 2008 are exceptions to the rule. The Saints compiled 12 wins against the math; their Pythagorean expected win total for 2016 was 9.8, meaning St Kilda outperformed their abilities by 2.2 wins. This was the second most in the competition, behind the Tigers who outperformed by 2.5 wins.

This alone suggest the Saints are likely to slip a little in 2017. Seven of the ten teams to have outperformed their Pythagorean win total by two wins or more went backwards in the following year. It isn’t a hard rule, but the math is against them.

The other consideration is the Saints will receive a more punitive draw for next season, a reward for finishing in ninth place. St Kilda will double up against three of West Coast, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Melbourne and Collingwood – out go Carlton and Essendon, whom the Saints scored four of their triple digit scores against for a total percentage boost worth ten percentage points.

Naturally, offsetting this is that the Saints are good. We’ll get to the reasons why in the preseason.

They aren’t great yet, but the foundations set in their three Siberian years have set them on that journey. Their trade period to date has been stellar, and even if they sit out the next five days, as the more flashy clubs bicker among themselves, Ameet Bains and his team have already earned themselves a five star rating.

Last season, St Kilda paid a high price to fill the most gaping hole on their list: pick five for Essendon’s Jake Carlisle. It was a solid trade for the Saints; Carlisle, who had been misused for a year or two at Essendon, could be the best key defender in the game, and the Saints had negative key defenders on their list.

Now, he didn’t play a game, and he found himself embroiled in scandal a couple of hours after signing, but work with me here. Carlisle joins the team this year as a 25-year-old with six years of AFL experience, and set to hit his prime as the Saints make their charge.

The Saints also picked up wantaway Pie Nathan Freeman for this year’s second round pick. Freeman, like Carlisle, failed to play a game, with bad hamstrings holding him at bay. He will join St Kilda’s back line as a rebounding defender with pace to spare – even if he remains unproven as an AFL player, his underage talent is a tantalising prospect.

This year has seen the Saints join the 2014 GWS Draft Class Fire Sale in picking up fringe Giant Jack Steele for their 2017 second round pick, and execute a pick swap that saw them join the rest of the football world in rooting against the Hawks. They also picked up a key defender with the last name Brown; Collingwood’s Nathan, rather than West Coast’s Mitch whom they’d be chasing for half a decade.

Brown will likely squeeze Sam Fisher out of the St Kilda line up, and perhaps out of the organisation all together. He’s not a long term option, one assumes, but will be handy as a fill in for the rising Hugh Goddard, who will miss much of this season recuperating a ruptured Achilles tendon. Brown doesn’t add much in attack – he’s averaged 9.4 disposals over his career – but as a stopper, his credentials are sound.

Steele will slot into St Kilda’s energetic midfield, as an inside-oriented midfielder with a bit of zip when required. He is one of half a dozen Giants that spent plenty of time in the NEAFL due to the stacked nature of the senior team, and that the Giants were willing to accept the Saints’ 2017 second round pick suggests they knew he was going to struggle to break into the team on a regular basis. He isn’t the midfielder that’s going to propel the Saints into contender status, but he will be a plus.

The Saints traded pick 10 and pick 68 to the Hawks for two second round picks (23 and 36) and Hawthorn’s 2017 first round pick. There might be more uncertainty about the Hawks than any other team as we sit here today. Should the Hawks miss the finals – still a long-shot – that pick will be 10th or earlier.

In effect, the Saints traded out of this year’s first round for the privilege of two second round picks this season, and a pick likely to land in the low teens. It’s not quite highway robbery, because the Hawks needed pick 10 to get things moving with the Suns, but it is an excellent deal for the Saints.

This year might seem like the off season crescendo that signals the end of St Kilda’s rebuild symphony. In years past, the Saints have found diamonds in almost every rough they’ve cared to mine: Tim Membrey, Josh Bruce, Shane Savage, Dylan Roberton, Maverick Weller and many more have joined St Kilda without the Saints giving up much consideration – if any, in the case of Membrey, Roberton and Weller.

The list is now looking solid across every line, and the demographics are excellent. St Kilda have two core groups, the prime age and the emergents. The Saints have ten full list players aged 25 to 28, nine of whom are in their best 22 and who have played plenty of football together in the past three years – Carlisle effectively has been drafted into this group next season.

The team’s emergent list runs even deeper: 23 players aged 20 through 24, practically all of whom have seen game time at AFL level. Steele joins this group, as effectively does Freeman. This is the line that will decide whether the Saints are going to make that leap from good to great.

And here’s where the Hawthorn pick swap comes into play. St Kilda are a young team, who outperformed their abilities last season. With a tougher draw, and a few new pieces to integrate, treading water and earning 12 wins should be considered the best case scenario. A slip is far more likely, but shouldn’t be seen as a failure.

With the Saints holding onto their 2017 first round pick, adding the Hawks pick is likely to net them two picks inside the top 15 of what is looming as a crazy-good draft from those in the know. St Kilda already have their young talent sorted – there comes a time where picking high in the draft isn’t the best course of action. It sets the Saints up to execute on the final stage of their build; the long mooted blockbuster trade for a superstar player of some description.

Two first round picks is a tasty prospect for any team; it’s a conversation starter, if not a barbecue stopper. St Kilda will almost certainly look to start conversations with a few teams in an effort to poach a prime age star to complete their build.

Saints fans have been hyping up the prospect of prying Nat Fyfe from Fremantle. He’ll be a restricted free agent this time next year, and the prospect of him “doing a Dangerfield” looks enticing. However, there’s no Mogg’s Creek factor at play. Fyfe would be close to the most untradeable player in the league from his team’s perspective. Carlton’s Patrick Cripps and the Dogs’ Marcus Bontempelli might rank higher due to their relative youth.

Regardless, Fyfe isn’t the kind of player the Saints need. Instead, I’d look a little further north, to West Coast, and have a dig for Victorian Andrew Gaff. He’s the type of player – rangy outside midfielder with an elite boot – that the Saints are short on, and like Fyfe is set to hit the market as a restricted free agent. Isaac Smith would be another, albeit he’s at the top end of the age curve for St Kilda’s time line, and the incredulity of sending Hawthorn’s pick back to them would be a bridge too far. Rory Laird or Brodie Smith would also fit the bill.

No matter the player, the Saints are setting themselves up to go all-in next season. Builds take time, but skill and luck can shorten things significantly. St Kilda and their off field crew have demonstrated ample volume of the former in recent years, and the dividends will flow in 2017.

The Crowd Says:

2016-10-18T08:11:56+00:00

Carl

Guest


Black Acres watch this kid. Could be the missing link.

2016-10-18T06:19:45+00:00

Handles

Roar Guru


west coast

2016-10-17T22:56:53+00:00

Luke

Guest


Disappointing is a bit stiff for Jack Billings. Came off a delayed pre-season due to injury. Had 30 disposals and kicked 2 against the Pies, had 27 against the Hawks then had an ankle injury. Just turned 21 in August so I thought the assessment was harsh given he averaged 20 classy possessions. Agree on Freeman but don't know if he'll ever make it on the park. Steele could be a match winner we just don't know yet. Billings, Weller, Bruce, McCartin, Gresham Membrey, Steven could all be match winners but I would say they need like a Pendles, Ablett, Danger, Sloane, Priddis, or a Fyfe. Just that number 1 midfielder match winner as you say which you can build a team around. The reason they got Stevens is because we have no big bodied mids apart from Armo and Arces who is young so that will take some pressure off those boys particularly armo. Also remember STK traded pick 10 for picks 23, 36 and hawks first rounder in 2017 so they will have 2 first rounders next year. So they can still utilise the draft this year and next. Carlisle - well again we will wait and see. But I remember the first half of 2013 he would have been one of the best defenders in the comp

2016-10-17T08:49:49+00:00

Jack

Roar Pro


If Jack Steven doesn't have match winning ability I don't know who does... he's 26, so I'm guessing you mean younger guys. Along with Jack Billings as guys with "super elite match-winning skills," look no further than the trio of Jade Gresham, Blake Acres and Paddy McCartin, Paddy has been unlucky this year but hopefully gets a good run at it next year. Acres is your modern prototype midfielder, tall with elite endurance and his contested work is awesome; dodges the opposition like a politician dodges pre-election promises and cuts through tacklers like a hot knife through butter. Took him a little while to really learn how to use his body and size to his advantage but seemed to have figured it out and was one of the Saints best in the last 2 months or so. Gresham is incredible, amazing goal sense (see goal vs Geelong) and whenever he's ready for the midfield (tank probably holding him back as just a first year player in 2016) then he also looks to be a gun midfielder in the future, his sidestep is brilliant has an absolute weapon of an outlet handpass. All of these guys have the ability to break games open if their development continues the way it's going.

2016-10-17T07:53:26+00:00

Gyfox

Guest


Crows

2016-10-17T07:41:20+00:00

anon

Guest


I think Fyfe will wait until the first half a dozen games to start making up his mind. Freo and Ross Lyon have zero excuses this season. They will have a midfield in 2017 of Fyfe, Mundy, Sandilands, Neale, S. Hill, B. Hill, Bennell. That's the most stacked midfield in the league. McCarthy has been a straight swap for Pavlich, cleaned out the dead wood. The excuse made for Ross Lyon last season was it takes time to implement a new game plan -- despite Pyke implementing a new game with a new group of players over one off-season, Beveridge doing the same in 2015, Bolton doing the same to a degree at Carlton, Longmire doing the same at Sydney in a rebuilding season where they blooded 7 new players and made the Grand Final. Now Ross Lyon will have two off-seasons to have implemented his game plan, he'll have the most stacked midfield in the league. If Lyon can't get it done, I can't see Fyfe sticking around for another 3 years of Ross Lyon football.

2016-10-17T07:13:15+00:00

Republican

Guest


St Kilda setting themselves up for insolvency?

2016-10-17T06:40:52+00:00

michael steel

Guest


Love it. Not sure about the Pythagorean, agree with the Siberian and it's a shame about the Achilles tendon.

AUTHOR

2016-10-17T06:11:52+00:00

Ryan Buckland

Expert


Something I forgot to add to this article in drafting - and so it got missed when I pulled it together - was I believe the Saints have been one of the handful of teams who have been banking salary cap under the cap banking mechanism over the past two seasons. That'll mean they have a bit of extra coin at the trade table to entice a start over, by offering a first year salary bump that other teams who haven't been banking can't offer. That would help lure someone - an extra $500k-$1 million in the first year of a long term deal.

AUTHOR

2016-10-17T06:10:08+00:00

Ryan Buckland

Expert


Yeah Kelly would be an excellent get, although I think prying him from GWS would be as difficult as prying Fyfe out of Fremantle. Shiel might be easier, albeit I'm not certain the Giants are keen on many more high draft picks.

2016-10-17T06:00:24+00:00

DV

Guest


'pick five for Essendon’s Jake Carlisle.' Stopped reading there

2016-10-17T04:52:44+00:00

Aust Vocab

Guest


This is Australia not America, in Australia we say maths not math.

2016-10-17T04:32:37+00:00

kick to kick

Guest


For every new entrant to the top 8 one has to drop out. Kangaroos will likely exit but who else?

2016-10-17T04:00:20+00:00

Gecko

Guest


Yes, and Cats (if Dangerfield or Selwood gets injured) and Eagles (without NicNat) could also potentially slip out of the final 8 for 2017, especially with so many young teams on the rise. Saints and Pies would be best chances to sneak in but Port, Suns, Freo, Dons and Demons would also be an outside chance. All pretty unpredictable.

2016-10-17T03:54:14+00:00

Milo

Roar Rookie


the smart play was always to appoint for a years extension like Bucks and even then preferably with performance clauses. That way you take the heat out of the media screams soon as they hit a bad patch. But now its arguably just as bad with his assistants all bar one falling and him remaining. Surely the right thing would be to get his management to arrange an exit payment...frankly its embarrassing.

2016-10-17T02:57:42+00:00

Pete

Guest


Seven years as coach and not one single finals win. Yet he had his contract extended at the start of the year. Has to be one of the dumbest decisions in the history of the game.

2016-10-17T02:38:15+00:00

Milo

Roar Rookie


I hate to say it but i disagree with your statement: "I think they’re a better team than 5.5 wins suggests" Ryan. I can only see them finishing above the Lions just... and even then, the Lions seem to be getting their 'proverbial' together now. Wouldn't surprise to see them getting #1 draft pick in the 2017 draft Richmond. Give GCS a decent run without injury and they'll win at least 6-7 at Metricon plus throw in one or two away. The tigers will struggle to match that. Clearly they are now officially the worst coached team in the AFL by a long long way and without a change in coach they seem destined to continue their plummet.

AUTHOR

2016-10-17T02:23:27+00:00

Ryan Buckland

Expert


It suggests one of a few things: - They got lucky - They won a high share of their close games - They had a lot of high margin games A quick look suggests it was five blow out losses (average margin plus one standard deviation) and no blow out wins causing the difference. The Tigers also played in seven games decided by 12 points or less, and won only two of them (including the one against Sydney after the siren). They would expect an extra 1.5 wins if those games were played again, so that explains a chunk of the discrepancy). It's a wonky number, because I think they're a better team than 5.5 wins suggests. That has them on par with Gold Coast.

2016-10-17T02:19:03+00:00

Pete

Guest


The Tigers outperformed their Pythagorean?? By 2.5 wins ?? What does that mean ?? Hardwick can coach ??? Surely not ???

2016-10-17T02:14:16+00:00

Pete

Guest


With teams like the Roos and the Hawks on the slide the Saints should be good for 14 wins and a finals appearance next year.

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