Kiwis vs Kangaroos Four Nations highlights: Australia by 6

How disresectful is the cannel 9 commentary. Talking over the presentation.

Cheers Raugeee. If we have a close look at the action of Woods, you can see that he has zero leg drive after the initial contact with the defense. One would imagine that to compensate, one would hit the line hard and attempt to scatter the opposition. The problem here is that Woods doesn't hit the line initially with any sort of venom, he's a sort of corpse in a green and gold jersey. There is a lot of dribble being spouted by others on this forum about his 'role' and that he is there to tackle. He is not. If he weren't in the team somebody else would make the tackles, he is there to bend the line and to create space which he fails at consistently.

Completely agree Mr White. The Warlock of Concord belongs in a tower somewhere brewing potions, not on the international pitch. His ability to bend the line pales in comparison to the other forwards, and flopping into a tackle as the third man in barely qualifies as a real tackle. His stats are padded.

Ferguson pushed up too far?????????? He made the tackle and was at marker. It was Darius Boyd's job to organise cover for the absent winger.

No the ref wasnt a problem at all baring the 2 penalties in a row in the first half resulting in the first Aus try. I just dont know why they dont use neutral refs. They could of had the Aus ref do the England v NZ game first up but decided differently. Please have a neutral for the final

The ref was the issue? Considering the Kiwis all play in the NRL comp I don't think the nationality of the ref from this comp means anything. But I'd say that the final would have an English ref (if it's Aus v NZ).

So does that mean every NSW player should be disregarded? They all have poor records against QLD. Of the forwards Woods made the most runs. Most tackles (ex Smith). And most offloads. It was a good game. Agree with Frizell on the bench. But in place of Thaiday.

So NZ played England with an English ref, Aus with an Aus ref. Do we get a kiwi ref for the final?

The Roos were lucky to get away with the win in the end, when it looked like they'd put 5 tries on the Kiwis early on. Sensational game from Ferguson. Good effort from Kata. Thurston offered little without Cronk. Johnson was ordinary until the 70th minute. The goal kicking duties need to be handed to Kahu. Thaiday may have played his last game in the Green and Gold. He's carrying too much weight. I'd rather see Frizell (or Josh Jackson) steaming onto the ball with an angled run.

Very little impact on every run he made where the others were bending the line at will. Crucial knock on when Kangaroos would've had good field position. He has a shocking record at rep level. If he was an 80 min player he might be worth it. Completely overrated.

He has a shocking record at Rep level. That was the first time Woods has played in a winning side against the Kiwis. He was the starting prop for the last 3 losses v NZ. He has played 11 SOO for 7 losses. Endurance? He only played 49mins. If he was a genuine 80min player then maybe his lack of impact might be ok. Put Boyd (33 mins 28 tackles, 7 runs 86 metres) back at starting prop and let him play 50 mins. Put Frizell back on the bench.

Yep, I don't see how anybody could see the comparative stats and not think that Woods had a good game. High work rate, good endurance. Won't make the highlights reel. So perhaps that's why some don't rate him?

That's his role within the team; more tackles and work rate that the other middle third forwards -- this comes with less impact on each individual action, but that's the nature of power and endurance.

A combination of people seeing what they want to see, and people who just don't rate players who are more parts work rate than impact. A look at the Warriors forward recruitment over the last decade should explain pretty obviously why work rate is important in at least some of the forward pack...

I don't know if it's a matter of being spooked since it's been happening regularly.

Basically his job?

Ferguson was outstanding - had a feeling he would have a big game. Klemmer and Cordner were also very good. Inglis was quiet. The Aussies seemed to be in control for most of the match and appeared to be doing just enough to win. It was only the occasional bit of brilliance by Johnson that kept the Kiwis close. The Kiwis are struggling with only one key playmaker and Cronk will be back for the Aussies in the final.