United vs Arsenal and Mourinho vs Wenger: Let the battle continue

By Greg Hall / Roar Rookie

The eye-grabbing game of the EPL fixtures this weekend is undoubtedly the resuming of the highly entertaining battle between Jose Mourinho and Arsene Wenger for the first time as United versus Arsenal.

Historically this fixture had blood, guts, title deciders, glorious goals and created storylines that go into EPL folklore.

Kasper Schmeichel versus Ian Wright, Patrick Vieira versus Roy Keane, Martin Keown versus Ruud van Nistelrooy.

United 8 – Arsenal 2.

Ryan Giggs versus the entire Arsenal defence and Arsenal winning the league at Old Trafford.

In fact, throughout the history of the Premier League, this fixture is the standout. The two most successful Premier League teams creating consistently the best and most entertaining football.

However, as you can see from the list of fables above, it’s all gone rather quiet over the last few years.

Initially Alex Ferguson and Wenger stirred the cauldron as much as the players and it sparked these incredibly absorbing encounters, but when you’re at the top of your game against the same old adversary for ten years, you’d be a bit heartless if you didn’t start to gain a modicum of respect for the guy who’s pushed you this far.

After all they both did secure their own versions of perfection: Ferguson’s 1999 treble and Wenger’s Invincibles in 2004.

And thus started the turning of the attitudes. Even when United won 8-2 in 2011, Ferguson defended Wenger in the aftermath, and played down his sides performance: “The Arsenal team is weakened”, “We got careless at times and they made chances” and “It is unfair to criticise him [Wenger]”.

You couldn’t fathom this level of magnanimity in the late 90s. Now, you wouldn’t be surprised if they grew old next door to each other once the Frenchman does indeed retire.

One reason for the softening of the relationship could’ve been the slightly diminished threat of Arsenal towards the end of Ferguson’s tenure. A great battle it was, but one that was won by the Scot in the end. The other reason, the arrival of the flamboyant, energetic and abrasive Jose Mourinho brought another foe at Wenger’s door.

The Portuguese took a shine to Ferguson, whom he liked to call the Boss, but his relationship with Wenger was at the opposite end of the scale. Fiery touchline encounters and the trading of insults marks a chequered history to say the least. Mourinho calling Wenger a “voyeur” to which Wenger called Mourinho “stupid” really is the stuff of playgrounds. But, through all this bluster it is the current United manager who holds the upper hand.

The fact Wenger has recorded just one win against a Mourinho side in 15 attempts is quite damning, and while those games were all against Chelsea, it shows perhaps that the mind games play a factor when these two managerial heavyweights slug it out. That and Didier Drogba, who helped himself to 13 goals against Arsenal in two stints at Chelsea and was another of Wenger’s tormentors. No Drogba this time, and thus far, no mind games.

There is a feeling that all that animosity maybe be just about far enough in the past for it to rear its head here though. Mourinho focused on sparking consistent life into an clunky United side, but also seemingly fighting his own demons, instead of praying on his adversary’s.

While Wenger is seemingly concentrated more on how to drive his team toward a season-long title challenge. The dynamic this season is altered too, with Arsenal showing signs of a title bid with some great football accompanied with the ugly wins required to keep the pace, but United are a way off the pace – a mirage, constantly evolving and shape shifting to their detriment.

This fixture may not be against the top two sides in the country any more, but there is a feeling that an intense, hard fought victory for either side could have reverberations on the rest of their seasons.

For Wenger it’s the opportunity to get the Mourinho hoodoo off his back, prove that his team have more resolve than recent campaigns and would also leave them top of the table temporarily.

For Mourinho – he needs to get his head back into the metronomic nature of winning relentlessly in any manner, which was so often his style. Regularly the tactical genius in the big games, it would prove a lot to the doubters and to himself should his side gain the victory. Strange to say, but the Special One needs some confidence.

Let’s be honest, the often fiery encounters between the clubs and their managers sparked a bloodlust in the neutrals also, and its return would be a welcome one for the millions watching on Saturday night, but it could be just the tonic to jolt both of this recently slumberous giants into action.

The Crowd Says:

2016-11-18T07:45:57+00:00

Gavin R

Guest


I can see United scoring a 90th minute winner to really stick it to Wenger. That would infuriate him against Jose. Arsenal have been a class above lately. Sanchez is the game breaker but Arsenal have a lot of good players all across the park. That, along with United"s makeshift back line... I would love to see Mhikitaryn given some time in CAM. He can be devastating. If Rooney starts over Rashford, we wont score. Im glad Ibra is out. Hes not up to it anymore. He has missed some absolute gimme's this season already.

2016-11-18T06:24:33+00:00

Amrit

Roar Guru


Manu and Arsenal would be playing for the 224th time, surely it's the biggest in England in terms of match-up, overshadowing Liverpool-Manu's 197 outings.

2016-11-18T04:14:46+00:00

danwain

Guest


Tough call to say either are has-beens, sure Mourinho is going through a rocky patch, but I wouldn't say he is a has been yet. One bad half season and a third into this season and he is finished? Gee you are a tough judge. As for Wenger, if he is a has-been what does that say about the plethora of teams below Arsenal in the table, this year and last? Finished 2nd last year, above all those trendy 'cutting edge' managers, doesn't seem like a bad return for a has-been.

2016-11-18T01:32:25+00:00

Fui2014

Guest


Mourinho seems to take no responsibility for the problems at United and the fact that he has taken to publicly criticizing his players, even singling out a couple, i think does nothing to benefit the team. Though Arsenal should be favourites, anything could happen.... i think the absence of Zlatan may be a blessing in disguise for United... Can see Sanchez being rested with the PSG match coming up, not that he will like that..... If Giroud starts i wouldnt mind seeing Elneny slip into the starting team either tbh....

AUTHOR

2016-11-17T23:11:39+00:00

Greg Hall

Roar Rookie


I reckon has beens is a bit strong, true they're not the trendy managers anymore, but Jose won the league in 2015 and tactically proved there's a way to stop Klopps side this season. Wenger sits just two points from the summit and has evolved Sanchez as his striker to make up for not having the funds to buy a world class in the transfer window. Plus what game comes close to this one in the EPL this weekend? Then you've got the Madrid Derby Sunday morning - welcome back club football is what I say!

AUTHOR

2016-11-17T22:54:07+00:00

Greg Hall

Roar Rookie


Thanks, glad you like it. I think Alexis could be key, but I'm not discounting Giroud, who's been coming from the bench and scoring, and with United's defence predominantly holed up in the infirmary it could be tough for them. Plus no Zlatan means probably Rashford through the middle, which is still an exciting but relatively unknown quantity.

2016-11-17T19:50:55+00:00

Marty Gleason

Roar Guru


Sorry to be dismissive, but they're both has-beens. It's more interesting to see match-ups of coaches at the cutting-edge with contemporary methods.

2016-11-17T17:20:50+00:00

Amrit

Roar Guru


I was about to upload a piece on the same topic, only to find yours one. Good read, mate. Even though Sanchez would be missing, I still feel Arsenal will clinch it.

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