Collingwood to play finals? They've got Buckley's chance

By Josh / Expert

2017 is shaping as a make-or-break year for Nathan Buckley and the Collingwood Magpies, after a controversial five-year tenure so far for the club’s favourite son.

Much has been said about Collingwood’s position in the competition, the list decisions they’ve made since Buckley took over, and whether or not they should continue down their current path.

However, the bigger question to ask is what path that really is.

Not too long ago, the Pies were investing in youth – now they’re investing in Chris Mayne, Daniel Wells and Lynden Dunn.

Everyone loves seeing their club bring in a few off-season recruits, because it gives hope for the year ahead – but it also builds expectation.

Collingwood have been active in recent trade periods, making plenty of noise, and they are a club that makes more noise than most when they move, a result of their size and stridency.

They have 12 players from other clubs on their list, the equal-third most, behind Carlton (16) and St Kilda (13).

Under Buckley, these are the players Collingwood have recruited through trade or free agency: Quinten Lynch, Clinton Young, Jordan Russell, Jesse White, Taylor Adams, Patrick Karnezis, Travis Varcoe, Levi Greenwood, Jeremy Howe, Adam Treloar, James Aish, Daniel Wells, Chris Mayne, Will Hoskin-Elliott, Lynden Dunn.

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Who on that list could, beyond doubt, be called a hit? Adams and Treloar certainly, but that’s all. Varcoe, Howe and Aish have all shown enough to still potentially be good decisions – and the last four are unknowns.

When you make that much of a splash at the trade table, but have such limited success in actually fitting those players into the team in a valuable way, it is only natural that public expectations will balloon way out beyond what is reasonable.

That is what has happened at Collingwood – last year and this year again they have pressure from pundits to play finals, when really there is no good reason to expect that.

In words that will be repeated ad nauseam throughout the season, Buckley himself has said that he doesn’t expect to keep his job if he misses finals again in 2017. He is out of contract.

That really doesn’t seem like a logical expectation for Collingwood. They are still only the 11th oldest team in the league.

They have a forward line where no one has ever kicked 40 goals or more in a season, being built around a 21-year-old.

In the backline, they are reliant on the elite but not-at-all-durable Ben Reid and the rebounding ability of Jeremy Howe. It could be worse, but it could be much, much better.

The top argument most cite when tipping Collingwood for a finals berth is their star-studded midfield – the No.1 midfield in the comp, many say, including Champion Data.

However, is that midfield really all it’s cracked up to be? You can rattle off a list of players whose names make the papers a lot, but that doesn’t make it elite.

Scott Pendlebury is a top ten player in the competition, no doubt, and Adam Treloar is either an A-grader or very much on the cusp of being one.

At the centre of it is Brodie Grundy in the ruck. He had an excellent finish to the year and will only get better as he matures, Dean Cox-like.

But beyond that… Steele Sidebottom? A good bloke to have as your third-best midfielder, no doubt, and the AFL’s No.1 memorable name, but not a regular All-Australian candidate.

Taylor Adams, Levi Greenwood and Jack Crisp all provide admirable grunt, but there’s a serious lack of creative ability among them.

Daniel Wells has plenty of that, but has already been ruled out for Round 1 and possibly longer with yet another troublesome injury.

Beyond that, we’re talking guys like Jordan De Goey, James Aish, Will Hoskin-Elliott – they’ve got the qualities Collingwood needs, but they’re still on their way to being solid AFL players.

Pendlebury and Treloar might be the best two-man midfield combo in the comp bar ‘Dangerwood’, but when you look beyond that it seems laughable to compare this midfield to the elites like Sydney, the Bulldogs or Greater Western Sydney.

If you’re going to make finals while having Collingwood’s forward and back situation, that’s the level at which the midfield needs to be.

This shouldn’t be taken as a put-down for the Pies – I like the team they might be in three to five years, if they make smart decisions from here on out and develop their younger players well.

However, the virtue of patience is in short supply in the AFL, and nowhere is this truer than at the head of big, proud club like Collingwood.

It doesn’t help that Buckley has made such bold and controversial decisions in his tenure, reshaping a team that had won a premiership just a year before he took over and seemed primed for more success, into one stuck in the muck of mediocrity.

Perhaps he would’ve been better off following the example of Chris Scott, who in a similar situation made only a few minor tweaks and instead focused on revitalising his existing talent.

A regularly-changing parade of football bosses during Buckley’s tenure as senior coach has no doubt made it difficult for he and his players to build a clear and continuous picture of where they are at and what the expectations are.

In some ways it’s unfair for Buckley to have his head on the chopping block, given where the list is at. However, expectation management is part of the job, and he has no one to blame for being unsuccessful there.

I’m predicting Collingwood to fall short of finals again in 2017, though not unreasonably so. Nathan Buckley’s dismissal will likely follow. But should it? That, I’m still not sure.

The Crowd Says:

2017-03-19T09:16:00+00:00

Julian Noel

Guest


I could not understand the dumping of Marley. he was coming along nicely hen his career started... Bucks is an acquired taste, and seemingly limited in his ability to work with different personality types...

2017-03-19T09:13:35+00:00

Julian Noel

Guest


I don't think you can look solely at individual talent. MM created a team that was greater than the sum of its parts... he knew how to get men to perform... and provided a gameplan that suited their styles.... MM was known for that. Buckley inherited an incredible team. That he could not get them to follow, says a lot about Collingwood's culture or lack of it.

2017-03-19T09:08:41+00:00

Julian Noel

Guest


I agree... a part of me.... hidden deep within the recesses of my ever-optimistic heart hopes Bucks comes good. At the commencement of every season I had given him enough rope to hang himself... and unfortunately he has... I have no faith he will redeem himself.... but then again I probably wouldn't have believed in 'resurrection' or 'virgin birth', either. So it will take something biblical to turn our fortunes around.

2017-03-19T09:02:43+00:00

Julian Noel

Guest


Yes. Eddy the ego will never put his hand up for this mammoth mistake. From a coach and team that had the best ever season in our history to a team that struggles to win and compete... and a bland and talentless coach. He has no understanding of culture or men.

2017-03-19T07:33:43+00:00

Tricky

Guest


I'm not sure what your point is but in my comments I have not compared Grundy with Cox

2017-03-19T05:16:35+00:00

Aransan

Guest


Dean Cox first played in 2001 but his breakout year was 2004 when he was 22y.o.

2017-03-19T03:49:21+00:00

Tricky

Guest


If Cloke makes the 22, which I personally doubt

2017-03-19T03:47:30+00:00

Tricky

Guest


Last year for the most part injuries were not of the manageable variety and lost 2nd most games experience through injuries - that has to effect results, surely. Having said that, if this team had the planets align and got some continuity then because of the parity of the comp they could be anywhere from top 4 to bottom 6. For all clubs bar gws, dogs and sydney it's all down to how the cookie crumbles If Nathan could change his my way or the highway approach to coaching and go a more MM style then there is every reason to have optimism.

2017-03-19T03:37:47+00:00

Tricky

Guest


Dean Cox?

2017-03-18T21:05:41+00:00

Floreat Pica

Guest


I agree, Marley Williams while having disposal issues on occasion was until Howe (and in the absence of Keefe) basically our best rebounding defender. As a duo he and Keefe were pivotal in our decimated defence in 2014 and I felt worked very well together. Worst trade out decision of the year IMO when we sorely lack backline depth.

AUTHOR

2017-03-18T19:02:43+00:00

Josh

Expert


Cloke's 2017 will either damn Buckley or do him some credit - playing the Pies in Round 1 is a delicious fixture.

AUTHOR

2017-03-18T19:01:52+00:00

Josh

Expert


I think clubs are definitely going to be shying away from it in the future. In addition to the extra media speculation it invites, I think it can also be damaging to the culture at the club.

AUTHOR

2017-03-18T19:00:43+00:00

Josh

Expert


Wouldn't rule it out if things go poorly.

AUTHOR

2017-03-18T19:00:24+00:00

Josh

Expert


Cheers Tricky. A lot is made of Pies' bad luck with injuries - I'm not sure it has been as relevant as some say, and for mine there is a point where luck becomes more than luck, and it's a question of whether or not players are being properly managed.

AUTHOR

2017-03-18T18:58:23+00:00

Josh

Expert


Don't count out future All-Australian Marley Williams... ?

AUTHOR

2017-03-18T18:57:37+00:00

Josh

Expert


To be fair he only took over in 2012, but he's certainly been cut more slack than someone who wasn't a legend of the club likely would have.

AUTHOR

2017-03-18T18:56:51+00:00

Josh

Expert


Cheers Julian. It'll definitely be interesting to see how it is viewed retrospectively in 5-10 years time.

AUTHOR

2017-03-18T18:55:38+00:00

Josh

Expert


Don't worry Jamie, I'm saving all my vitriol up for a pro-North rant next week.

AUTHOR

2017-03-18T18:54:55+00:00

Josh

Expert


Ouch! I couldn't pass up the chance to make a bad joke.

AUTHOR

2017-03-18T18:53:58+00:00

Josh

Expert


I like Aish and WHE for potential, Adams I don't think will be any better than he already is. Doubt any of them will be as well-rounded as Treloar. Wells only played two games in 2015.

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