The Wallabies are making Eddie Jones nervous

This is not your private forum for tossing around insults, let's talk rugby chaps!!

That back line will demolish the Wobblies!

"whatever happened to Beaumont??" Sale have moved him to lock. With Strauss signing and Sale lacking depth in the second-row, that prompted the move. Not sure it's his best position though.

THIS IS FROM PLANET RUGBY "Confidence trick “These young players are delicate. They are like flowers; it is how much water, how much sunshine. If you give them too much too early they grow up too quickly and their base foundations aren't strong enough. You have to quietly build them up over a period of time until they are ready.” So spake Eddie Jones after noisily calling up Marcus Smith, 18, to his 33-man England training squad for a camp in Oxford. And this soon after Tom Curry became England's youngest starter in almost a century, with Jones including him in a match-day squad that included 11 uncapped players. Don't get us wrong. We're not doubting the likes of Smith and Curry. The have the talent to bag 200 caps between them, and we readily acknowledge that Jones referred to Smith as merely "an apprentice" who's attending camp to "clean the boots and hold the bags". But Eddie's invitations appear to be getting increasingly more scattergun of late. There's now at least 80 players on his radar. Like all Aussie coaches, he's keen on eking out 'big reactions' and seeing how players bounce back from rejection, and we can only assume it's in this vain that he sends the likes of Kyle Sinckler and Jonathan Joseph away "to work on their game". Most pundits had the pair down as nailed-on starters for the November Tests and the Six Nations; suddenly they're not even cleaning boots or holding bags. To our untrained eye, the only thing Sinckler and Joseph are missing from their game is self-belief, and we can't quite fathom out how that will bloom in the absence of water and sunshine. It seems really harsh. Counter-productive, even. Could Eddie's own history of rejection be a factor in his increasingly ostentatious squad announcements? (Yep, here comes the cod psychology!) It's said that he's never really got over being sacked by the Australian Rugby Union, and you sense he derives pleasure from plucking unknowns from his vast resources whilst his former employers are being forced to lay off entire teams. And there's also something deeper than banter in his remark that Argentina's visit in November represent England's toughest assignment of the year, not least because the Wallabies arrive in town the following day. Still, whatever is gnawing at Eddie's soul is a fillip of England – he's lost just one of his 20 games in charge. But he'd be best advised to swot up on his botany if he wants to extend that sort of form. Australian flowers tend to be a great deal hardier than English roses. For every Jonny Wilkinson, there's around 60 Paul Sampsons. Remember him? Exactly."

.......I really don't believe the Wannabes install fear into any Union nation, not even minnows i.e. Georgia these days........

seems either the 8s are injured or are foreigners ..... whatever happened to Beaumont??

"All wingers should be drowned at birth" to quote David Brockhoff.

As i said he can`t beat England or the ABS or South Africa or Scotland or Ireland..HAHAHAHAHA

cant see either of the coaches losing too much sleep to be honest - form and a quick glance at the team sheets show England comfortable favourites. Australia usually has a better backline than England and yet they've lost 8 of the last 11, Australia has shown some glimpses of improvement since last year but nothing to suggest they'll beat England at Twickenham. Likewise Chek wont be expected to win this one, anything approaching a one score loss should be viewed as a decent result. England and Australia(by necessity) are approaching the next RWC in different ways, England looking to dominate and not lose more than 1 game a year, Australia have a much tougher ask with 3 bled tests so they'll always lose a few more, but if they can beat NZ once or twice before the next RWC they should rightly consider that enough to be competitive. Having said all that I hope its competitive and close, it should be the best game in what is to be honest a poor selection of fixtures

Rugby Tragic, agreed.

Maybe so David but this is the worst Wallaby squad since the 1980s

CUW - there isn't really a like-for-like replacement for Billy is the issue. Hughes and Morgan are probably the closest but even then they're slightly different players - both lay a bit wider and further from the ruck than Billy does and make more metres in less confined areas (although Hughes has done his best Billy impression for England in fairness, but I don't think it brings the best out of him). Simmonds' injury looked bad yesterday but the stretcher and brace turned out to be precautionary thankfully, he probably has a stinking headache but he should be good to go in a couple of weeks.

"so basically you guys are saying that if these Aus players went to NZ and spent a few seasons learning that extra 15% it takes to be an AB then they may make the team?" Yup. I also think that had Will Genia been an All Black from the start, Aaron Smith would still be NZs best super sub 9. Just one example. There is nothing wrong with our guys as athletes, it is the NZ system that polishes these players to their brilliant standard.

"The Wallabies are really lacking in a few key positions (4, 6, 8 and 10) but the guys you name are all pretty good." Correct. Unfortunately there is really no end in sight in any of those key positions, save perhaps 4.

"... but I think what you are really saying is that Aussie coaches are not up to it." Yup

I would have to agree with you PK ,those 3 changes alone are a fairly large point of difference .And the Poms just squeaked it in a couple of those games so...

He is out for 4 months - which puts paid to the November internationals and 6Ns.

England has depth australia does not.

It does help if you played the game, you can relate a lot better. It's absolutely necessary for discussion in rugby

Cheikas gone from seconds away from beating the ABs in NZ to losing to Italy at home in mere weeks. Who knows what Cheika is capable of. I dont. Given that England is certainly not an impossibility.