Can Mick Byrne and Brad Thorn kick-start the Wallabies?

By Nicholas Bishop / Expert

I will always remember the look on Martin Johnson’s face. It was the press conference after England’s ignominious exit from the 2011 World Cup.

Being the deeply honourable man that he is, Johnno took full responsibility for England’s failure and fell on his own sword.

He did not blame anyone else and he tried to sound upbeat about his experience as England manager over three and a half years, but his eyes told a different story. The light in them had gone out.

Meanwhile, the ‘suits’ in the RFU hierarchy washed their hands of the debacle and faded seamlessly into an ever-grey background. Johnno was left to carry the can alone.

But Martin Johnson’s ultimate failure was not one of his own making, it was a failure of vision by those very administrators who did not hold themselves accountable.

They appointed England’s best-ever captain as a head coach without constructing the essential support system he needed around him.

It is a huge step to move from a successful playing career to one where you are observing, teaching and organising. It may be the same sport, but the habits to be learned are very, very different.

I hope sincerely that Martin Johnson’s fate does not await Brad Thorn. Thorn, like Johnno, played in the second row and was one of his country’s greatest-ever servants in that position.

When Graham Henry was appointed as New Zealand’s head coach back in 2004 (after another painful inquest at the 2003 World Cup) he concentrated on development in two basic areas of his new All Black team – leadership and tight forward play.

Mike Cron was brought back from Wales to spread his scrum gospel across the provinces, and Sir Graham found two tight forwards around whom he could build his foundations in Carl Hayman (immediately) and Thorn (on his second tour of duty in Union from 2008 onwards).

Both Hayman and Thorn were granite-hard competitors of the type New Zealand had lacked in the late nineties and early 2000’s.

Between them, Hayman and Thorn locked up the right side of the New Zealand scrum for years – ask Ireland’s Mike Ross and he will tell you all about Thorn’s value as a tight-head scrummager.

Hayman ruled the set-piece and Thorn ruled the breakdown, and that gave the All Blacks a physical, aggressive base from which they could truly expand their game.

Brad Thorn – possibly the best dual code player in history.

They have been expanding ever since, and their very rare failures have tended to coincide with moments when the base has temporarily been forgotten – such as the selection of Jerome Kaino in the second row against Ireland in Chicago last year.

As the new top man at the Queensland Reds, Thorn like Johnson before him is stepping into the great unknown, an abyss from which the celebrated success of his playing career will not save him if he cannot prove he can win.

Unlike Johnson, he has some support upon which he can rely to provide guidance – an experienced head coach in his own right in Tony McGahan already within the Reds’ coaching team, and a mentor from further back in his League days with the Brisbane Broncos, Wayne Bennett.

Thorn certainly has the right attitude to the process that is about to unfold:

“Taking advice is crucial because I know there are massive gaps [in my knowledge]…Sometimes coaches will block that out. When I meet people who know more about things than me, I love being around them to learn.”

Undoubtedly, Thorn will bring good on and off-field habits to the Reds from the winning cultures with which he has been involved as a player, and he will bring a hardness and discipline to their play from the philosophical base of strong set-pieces, and increased work-rate in defence and at the breakdown.

The Reds fell down in all these areas in 2017, but should be capable of very significant improvement with 14 capped Wallabies in their ranks, other fringe national candidates like Andrew Ready, Taniela Tupou, Adam Korczyk and Izaia Perese, and a solid leadership core composed of Stephen Moore, James Slipper, Scott Higginbotham, George Smith, Quade Cooper and Karmichael Hunt.

Should things go well in 2018, I believe that for Brad Thorn, Queensland will be just a staging post en route to the Wallabies’ coaching staff. He may even end up at its pinnacle.

While New Zealand are constantly strengthening their grip on the rest of the Southern Hemisphere on the field, off it their coaches are providing the main hope for catch-up.

The other primary coach with All Black experience working in Australia is, of course, Mick Byrne. Byrne is already part of a national coaching think-tank with Michael Cheika, Bob Dwyer and Dick Marks, and he has been co-ordinating coaching efforts at the national level with those on the Super Rugby rung below it.

I have previously detected signs of Byrne’s influence in the angles of running and footwork in Australia’s forward pod play, and the new offloading emphasis in the outside channels, but of course ‘Mick the Kick’ started as a kicking-and-catching coach based on his experience in the AFL.

He has been trying to find new ways to make of Israel Folau’s outstanding aerial ability, showcased in his spectacular Aussie Rules style leap for the score from a crosskick against Scotland in June

The simplest method of achieving that aim is to have Folau chase contestable Wallaby kick-offs of the kind New Zealand have perfected, with any of Dan Carter, Aaron Cruden or Beauden Barrett delivering a flat chip just over the opposition 10m line for Kieran Read to chase with his patented ‘bull-rush’.

I previously discussed the more controversial aspects of Read’s technique in my article about the third Lions Test in June here.

Although there is always the danger of committing a ‘charging foul’ when the take-off zone is so far away from the actual point-of-contact with an opponent in the air, Read timed it to perfection to effectively bring New Zealand back from the dead against the Wallabies in Dunedin:

In the 77th minute, it is replacement #10 Lima Sopoaga who suddenly switches the direction of the restart for Read to chase. Read’s take-off point is at least three metres away from the Wallaby receiver, substitute second-row Izack Rodda at 77:02.

Although it is Read who gets the first touch, it is really his momentum through contact in the air that ensures Rodda (and Israel Folau) knock it on in the follow-up. This is clear from the slow-motion replay after the All Blacks use the turnover to score their match-winning try.


Byrne has been introducing the same flat, contestable switch KO for the Wallabies.


These two examples both come from the first match in Sydney, and feature Bernard Foley delivering the flat restart with Folau chasing in the wide 15m channel out to the right. On both occasions, Folau does not take the ball cleanly, but his ‘charge’ does enough to upset the receiver (New Zealand’s Sam Whitelock) so that he cannot control the ball and Australia regain possession. It is a policy straight out of the All Blacks playbook!

Byrne has also been varying the receiver and the direction of the kick, with either Reece Hodge or Rob Simmons using the same charging technique to reclaim the ball on the other side of the field – here from the second match against South Africa:


When it works, the change in momentum can be quick enough to create a cheap score a few phases later:

In the 26th minute, Folau chases the flat KO from Foley and wins the ball cleanly over Springbok wing Courtnall Skosan. That sets up Adam Coleman on a burst which takes him all the way into the heart of the South African 22, and Kurtley Beale applies the finishing touch against an unstructured defence on the very next phase.

Summary
For better or for worse, Australia has entrusted a large portion of their international future to All Black coaches.

They have already committed to Mick Byrne, whose influence has spread well beyond his starting remit as kicking coach to include the creation and use of turnover ball and handling and running skills among the forwards, and a key role in developing Australian coaching below Test level.

I also suspect that Brad Thorn may have an important role to play for the Wallabies if success comes early in his reign at the Reds.

In order to achieve that success he will have to sidestep the scenario that befell another outstanding ex-player with little or no coaching experience in Martin Johnson.

Both Byrne and Thorn have the pedigree from their association with New Zealand in one of its ‘golden periods’ from 2007 onwards.

The only question is: when Thorn and Byrne have taught all they have to teach to Australia, will New Zealand rugby have already moved on to another level yet again?

The Crowd Says:

2017-10-16T02:56:42+00:00

Terry

Guest


Toutai Kefu Dan Herbert and Andrew Slack were a bit stiff to not make the team..

2017-10-14T11:30:53+00:00

Fin

Guest


Just when I thought it was coming to an end, Cheika's depth building program continues on for another week Nick. https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallabies-to-punt-on-switching-young-reds-centre-duncan-paiaaua-to-playmaker-role/news-story/6503a964e5f2c319d484f4dc77a60c92

2017-10-14T11:06:34+00:00

Fin

Guest


Not sure the position he played that day but it was his final test match and he scored 21 points (an Australian record at the time). In 1981/82 the wallabies toured the U.K. and this was the configuration: Against Ireland - Gould (15), McLean (10); Against Wales - Gould (15), McLean (10); Against Scotland - Gould (15), McLean (12), Ella (10); Against England - McLean (15), Ella (10)

2017-10-14T10:43:05+00:00

Taylorman

Guest


Yes that was a one off Bled that year, but the real seeds were sown at Eden park the year before with the Cornelson four try win. Theyd only just lost the first test by one, then were beaten in the rain comfortably in the second...bled over. Had the pleasure of watching the Wallabies train the Thursday before the third test, fetching balls etc all avo as a school kid. I left that training convinced the Wallabies were going to win they were sooooo slick in everything they did. From memory Mclean wasnt there due to injury but a guy named Geoff Richards really impressed that day, and in the test, as did Kenny Wright. For me I always claim the birth of modern Wallaby rugby was that Thursdays training! ?

2017-10-14T10:13:34+00:00

Fin

Guest


Nick, Here's a link to an interview with a couple of those players from that era. It's about the 1979 Bledisloe Game. The hindsight of history shows that this was a pivotal game and proved to be a major turning point in Australian Rugby. Ever since then the Wallabies have been much more competitive against the All Blacks, and have produced some very good teams in the last 40 years. Those players that we have been discussing (Loane, Shaw, McLean etc) were instrumental in rebuilding and strengthening the Wallaby legacy for others to follow. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xoTGSyIQy4U

AUTHOR

2017-10-14T09:30:51+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Was McLean at full-back in that 1982 game against Scotland?

AUTHOR

2017-10-14T09:29:09+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Thanks for filling in the blanks for me (once again) Fin!

2017-10-14T08:30:34+00:00

Peter

Guest


Nick, I think Fin has commented on this already. My two bob's: Fin says Paul McLean was "more adaptable than Mark Ella". True. Also a nice way of saying that Ella could play 5/8, full stop. McLean, who was not so limited, moved to fullback to accommodate Ella's limitations. Michael Lynagh moved from 5/8to inside ce tree for the same reason. One of my favourite Wallabies memories: McLean scoring a try, conversion, penalty and drop-goal in the second test against Scotland in 1882.

2017-10-14T07:35:21+00:00

Fin

Guest


Nick, A look back in time. Spanning three generations the famous McLean family produced seven international rugby players. This unique record is unmatched by any code of football anywhere in the world. The McLean dynasty began in 1904 when Doug McLean played Tests against the British Lions. Three of his sons, Doug Jr, Jack and Bill played for Australia. Bill was the captain of the 1947-48 tour of Britain. A fourth son, Bob, did not play representative football, but he fathered Jeff and Paul, who did. Bill’s son, Pete, was the seventh member of the family to wear the Gold jersey. Paul McLean inherited an innate rugby intelligence from his footballing forebears. He was the pivotal figure around which all of Queensland’s strategies revolved. But there was controversy, not of his own making other than his continued brilliant play. It just so happened there was another genius strutting his stuff, one Mark Ella, and he had captivated and entranced the NSW supporters of the code just as McLean had done in the north. It was a pity, really, as both were gifted, almost freakish, and they unfortunately came to the fore at approximately the same time. Ella was a genius. McLean was a genius. And vociferous support came on State lines. The controversy was not particularly personal, other than rivalry through their feats on the field, and in real life both were quiet, restrained and unostentatious. Not so the supporters. There were differences between them to be sure. McLean was more of a tactician, controlling time and space. Ella’s game was attack, and he could drift between players like few before or since. One’s position on the controversy, if one endeavoured to be fair, was really a philosophical clash on styles. But McLean had one extra thing to offer to the debate, and that was that he was a world-class kicker, which Australia had prayed for over the years, but Wallaby teams never quite made it. The All Blacks would confront the Wallabies over the years, and the Aussies continually paled as their penalties and conversions missed and the All Blacks maintained a high percentage of success. Paul McLean was the first pure kicker to appear on an Australian team. Ever. So the selectors had a real dilemma, as they wanted Paul, and they wanted Mark. McLean it was who was considered more adaptable, so he often found himself at fullback or even centre.

AUTHOR

2017-10-14T06:53:02+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


It's another knock on the five team system in Australia Fin. It creates losing environments because of the thin talent spread, so a promising young player (who I guess would have stayed at home if any of the Australian clubs had had a winning season) goes abroad to find an environment in which he can form winning habits instead. Players want to learn what it takes to win, in their own own position and for a team as a whole.

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2017-10-14T06:49:19+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Yes I remember the Australian players of that era quite well. Tony Shaw was a good player, shifted to second row for a while, and IIRC MacLean only got pushed out of the WBs by the arrival of Mark Ella!?

2017-10-14T05:05:47+00:00

Fin

Guest


Nick, I can't take credit for the description. It was David Dunworth, the tough Wallaby prop that immortalised them when he defined Queensland’s Holy Trinity. God the Father was Mark Loane, the Son was Tony Shaw and the Holy Spirit was Paul McLean. Dunworth said of McLean 'He had this certain ghost-like quality, sifting his way effortlessly through opponents when he felt like it and stitching the side-line and splitting the goal-posts as if some hidden hand was directing him. His coolness was legendary. Everyone else’s heart would be fluttering, his pulse rate would be normal.'

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2017-10-13T10:09:21+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


I'd also add that Rob Andrew had nothing to do with the recruitment of Wayne Smith. That was purely Stuart's initiative (we had a long discussion about it), and despite Wayne deciding to stay in NZ, they remain friends to this day.

2017-10-13T09:22:32+00:00

Fin

Guest


Hi Nick, What's your take on this story? https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/australia-schoolboys-lock-nick-frost-snubs-waratahs-to-sign-with-crusaders/news-story/5871f34d05b33e3bbb7429314d13b219

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2017-10-13T07:04:31+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Dr Loane was the father, Shaw the Son, and McLean the Holy Spirit. Very nice Fin, very nice. I do remember Loane, he had some titanic duels with Mervyn Davies in the Welsh B/R in the early seventies.

2017-10-13T06:46:11+00:00

Fin

Guest


Glad to see Dr Mark Loane in there Nick. He was part of Queensland's holy trinity (along with Tony Shaw and Paul McLean) in the 80's. Dr Loan was the father, Shaw the Son, and McLean the Holy Spirit. Loane is the closest thing to a folk hero that Queensland rugby has seen. Do you remember his barging runs?

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2017-10-13T06:05:32+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Thanks for this Fin - had to be some player to get in ahead of Tom Lawton!

2017-10-13T00:24:32+00:00

Fin

Guest


Nick, This was a quote from one of Cottrell's teammates. "Before each game, he excluded everything but the approaching challenges from his mind. He talked of nothing else, pacing his hotel room hitting his hands together, grunting in a most aggressive manner. He maintained it at meals and kept muttering to himself and when the whistle went he played like a runaway train. It was frightening to even sleep with him during this pre-match period but after the game he relaxed and joined in socialising with gusto."

2017-10-12T21:31:11+00:00

Fin

Guest


Nick, Cottrell was A skilful scrummager and determined tackler who went on to captain Australia, it was said Nev played like a runaway train and was one of the best hookers to represent his country. He played from 1947-1955. His grandson is Angus Cottrell - Western Force flanker. Graham Cooke was a big, powerful farmer’s son from the Darling Downs who played in the second row for Queensland and Australia and – as a result of a stint with Transvaal - almost qualified for selection for the Springboks. One of the hardest and toughest men to play for Australia, he made his Queensland and Australian debut at the age of 20 and can lay claim to having the world’s longest international career, being recalled at the age of 35 after a break of 14 years. He made his debut against the AB's in 1932. He then came back into the Wallaby squad again after WWII.

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2017-10-12T20:57:33+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


I know a group of people in Yuba County and thee is a huge fire there too..

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