My imaginary XVII: The best league players I've ever seen

By Mark Campbell / Roar Guru

In 2008, the NRL released the top 100 players to have played the game in Australia.

Since this time I have reflected on the players that I have seen in my lifetime. Without giving my age away, my memory stretches back to the very late 80s. As a result, I feel now that I can name my best team.

To do this, I set myself two criteria. They were as follows.

a) I had to have seen the player play live
b) They needed to have at least played fifty matches of elite first grade level in Australia

On this basis, I assembled the following team.

1. Fullback – Billy Slater
I simply have not seen a better fullback. His speed, his athleticism, and skill are unbelievable. He is vocal and instructs his defenders well.

He is always on the move and just seems to be in the right spot each time the football is kicked down-field. His recovery from making a covering tackle to re-join the defence and participate in the next play is second to none.

Honestly, when he retires and in years to come, everyone of this generation will compare each fullback to Billy Slater just as the previous generations did with Clive Churchill.

2. Wing – Greg Inglis
I get it, he plays at fullback for Souths, in the centres for Queensland and Australia and won the Clive Churchill Medal at five-eighth.

So, why on the wing? To put it simply, I wanted him on my team. Also, I have seen him play on the wing; he destroyed the Kiwi defenders in Melbourne for the tri-nations when he raced down the field to get Australia back in the game.

His size and speed make him perfect to play rugby league. Easily the best New South Welshman to play for Queensland. All jokes aside, an unbelievable talent who I hope can overcome injury and continue at the elite level for many years to come.

(AAP Image/Paul Miller)

3. Centre – Mal Meninga (Captain)
Unlucky in my book not to be made an immortal ahead of Andrew Johns. He participated in four Kangaroo tours which had never been accomplished before and I doubt will ever happen again.

He destroyed defenders with his power, but more to this he was an inspiration to his teammates. He made other players better, he gave them belief and left them in no doubt what was needed to get the result desired.

A real leader of a great Canberra team, a strong Queensland team and of the Kangaroos. No much more can be said about such a strong player. With his leadership skills, he is easily my choice as captain of this team.

4. Centre – Laurie Daley
In partnering with Mal Meninga – yes, remember when the outside centre went with the inside centre – I do. Laurie Daley would offer the finishing touch. I hear your concerns – he played more five-eighth than at centre. I don’t care.

He had a great footballing mind and could pick apart a defensive line with ease. He was a solid support player who set up more tries for his teammates than going for the glory himself.

Remember, under his leadership, NSW had many dominant seasons over a great Queensland outfit. As well as this, he was part of the Canberra and Kangaroo outfits that enjoyed so much success. I felt it would be an injustice not to have him on my best team.

5. Wing – Israel Folau
I will admit, this was my hardest selection. I missed some of the great wingers of the 70s and 80s. I don’t feel there has been that many absolute sensations in this position to choose from in my time watching the game.

Although he only played 91 NRL games, I felt that if he had stayed, he would have been a sensation for many years to follow. The AFL targeted not many other athletes, and if it weren’t for an administration bungle, he would be back playing rugby league instead of union.

Even now, he is easily one of the Wallabies’ best. Just a shame he didn’t stay in our great game.

6. Five-eighth – Johnathan Thurston
He plays five-eighth to Cooper Cronk, so despite him being the North Queensland Cowboys halfback, I’m keeping him in the six jersey.

No doubt is going to be an immortal of the sport. He lifts his teammates and can single-handedly win games. Very few players can do that. His record speaks for itself.

He is a machine on the field – directing and instructing his team as he unpicks the defence with ridiculous ease. The superb kicking game only adds to his arsenal. I put him down as the third best player that I have ever seen.

7. Halfback – Andrew Johns
For some, he should not be an immortal. They refer to his off-field antics. I say bugger that.

His off-field antics would only have impaired his performance on the field. He invented new kicks, which no one had seen before. He could tackle like a solid backrower.

The best defending halfback the game has ever seen. His involvement in matches shaped their outcome.

Alex Ferguson – the former Manchester United Manager – when talking about skill on the soccer pitch said: “[if] you see class, excitement, entertainment, there is an obligation to acknowledge it.”

This quote applies to the rugby league genius that is Andrew Johns. In terms of pure brilliance, he is the best player I have seen.

8. Prop – Shane Webcke
In the front row, you need size, strength, determination and a will to defeat any opponent. This man had it all in bucket loads. I still remember the Test Match in the early 2000s against the Great Britain team that came for a mid-season Test where Webcke annihilated them.

He played against the Roosters in the grand final with a broken arm – madness! He never took a backward step on the field or off it. A pleasure to watch.

9. Hooker/fummy half – Cameron Smith
I get it, a natural choice. I put the role as a dummy half because really since the 80s scrums are no longer contested and with the ten-metre rule, hookers really are now just an extra half on the field.

His statistics say it all. He is just so dominant it is ridiculous. He may set records that will never be broken. He has achieved everything.

Look at the 2017 calendar year – grand final win, State of Origin series win and the World Cup. He probably is the best overall player the game has ever seen. I only put Johns ahead of him, but not by much. An immortal in waiting.

(Photo by Matt King/Getty Images)

10. Prop – Glen Lazarus
The Brick with eyes laid the platform for some of the game’s most successful teams. Firstly, the Green Machine of the late 80s and early 90s enjoyed his service as they went about winning titles.

Then he moves to Brisbane and enjoys success there before helping Melbourne win their inaugural title. All the while he’s helping NSW set a dominance over Queensland and maintaining Australia’s dominance on the international scene.

He wasn’t one of my favourite players, but I could not justify leaving him out of the team. Ultimately, he possessed the gifts that all front rowers dream of and used them to the best of his ability.

11. Second row – Bradley Clyde
I feel that this man does not get the credit he deserves. He was integral to Canberra’s success and NSW for that matter.

Ran hard, tackled hard and played for the full 80 minutes. He was a workhorse of epic proportions. He set the benchmark for all future locks and backrowers. He became the measuring stick of which all future players would strive to equal. Just pure class.

12. Second row – Sam Burgess
Probably a Souths fan? Yes I am! Even if he didn’t play for Souths I would still rate him as an absolute legend.

He is ferocious on the field, but a good lad off it. He led the way for Souths this year as he has done so for every year he has been at the club.

From his early Test debut when he put the big hit on Fui Fui Moi Moi to when he sidestepped his way to the try line for Great Britain against Australia he has shown his strength and skill.

Further to this, who can forget when he played with a busted cheekbone for South Sydney in their first grand final win in 43 years? He is easily the best British import that I have seen play in the NRL.

13. Lock – Brad Fitler

For the majority of his career, he played five-eighth, so I get the confusion of why I would select him at lock.

Similar to my selection of Laurie Daley, he was simply too good to leave out of my starting thirteen.

He did play some games in the lock position and was still just as effective. It is important to not let his aloofness fool you – he had the talent.

He was a key reason why NSW were so dominant and a key factor in why the Roosters made so many grand finals in the early 2000’s. He had a deadly step, a good pass, could tackle and leadership qualities that elevated him above others. A genuine talent.

My bench
14. Darren Lockyer

No doubt is going to be an immortal. His statistics show it all. However, I felt that Slater as a fullback and that Thurston at five-eighth were better selections.

I know many would drop Johns and put Thurston at halfback and move Lockyer into the six position. However, since this is my list and I think that Johns was the best; Lockyer makes his way onto the bench.

Though, this does not diminish my thinking of his footballing skills. An absolute champion.

15. Adrian Morley
Who else has been sent off in a Test Match in the first 12 seconds? This event showed his fire-brand style. He could destroy forward packs with his runs and tackles. I know he spent a lot of time on the sideline through suspension, but he had everything you look for in a forward. A pity he had to go back to England so early.

16. Sonny Bill Williams
Yes, I know some of you are shaking your heads and rolling your eyes. Despite this, you cannot deny his skill.

I know in his early years he was injury prone before doing a runner to France, so we didn’t see the best of his capabilities until he returned to the Roosters.

In his two seasons there, he showed his character. I wished he had stayed in the game. In his return to union, it was his offload that finally sunk the Wallabies in the 2015 Rugby Union World Cup final. He could put on a massive hit, had speed and a great offload.

Moreover, he is a positive influence on his teammates. It is simple, if you were wealthy and were wanting to build a team, you would want Sonny Bill on your side.

(AAP Image/Paul Miller)

17. Ruben Wiki
This last position was equally tough to fill. However, I went with Ruben because of his passion. Over his career, he played in the backs and the forwards but still managed to maintain solid performances.

A cornerstone of the New Zealand team and although he didn’t get the success with the Warriors he was consistently one of their best players. I just don’t remember seeing him having a bad game.

Notable omissions
Wally Lewis – Yes, he was still playing when I can remember the game, but with my set criteria, I never saw him play live. If I did, I would have him as my six and Thurston would go to the bench.

Steve Renouf – A class centre. If people have him as their main centre, then I really couldn’t disagree with you. Except that I thought Daley was more versatile and so put him ahead of Renouf.

I know when selecting the best team personal choices, preferences and how long you have been watching the game would affect the selections. So imagine this, if you had to build a team with all the best players that you had ever seen play live, who would be on your team?

The Crowd Says:

2017-12-20T03:31:25+00:00

Brainstrust

Guest


Wally the Great when he had to be in the defensive line got destroyed by reserve grader Olsen Filliapaina and lost the match single handed against New Zealand. Rather have Thurston any day.

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2017-12-17T00:53:57+00:00

Mark Campbell

Roar Guru


Good team Sheek. You have been lucky to see some quality players.

AUTHOR

2017-12-17T00:52:21+00:00

Mark Campbell

Roar Guru


Nat, it would have to be Bennett. If there is an award for a super coach then Bennett gets it.

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2017-12-17T00:44:05+00:00

Mark Campbell

Roar Guru


The Barry - Good team. I would have chosen O'Connor on my wing in place of Israel, however, had never seen him play. BigJ - Matt Scott was a close call for me as well. I have him third behind Lazarus and Webcke. I was close to putting him on my bench. Though, I was a massive fan of Wiki's so went with him instead.

2017-12-16T11:35:01+00:00

thomas c

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he was given the immortal award in 2012. This was after Queensland had won state of origin 6 or 7 times in a row. The previous two immortals were Queenslanders with a crop of QLD contenders (smith, thurston etc) waiting in the wings. The selection panel was influential rugby league figures (including existing immortals mostly affiliated with NSW) AND 6 journalists affiliated with RLW (the aforementioned sydney-based magazine). They additionally changed the rules to ignore John's admitted drugs use as a player. Frankly, it was a positive NSW story in what had been a grim run. It sold some units for Rugby league week in the years leading up to the magazine's closure and the immortals concept being transferred to the ARL.

2017-12-15T11:29:05+00:00

madrid john

Guest


LIke the team a lot Mark. I especially dig the inclusion of Brad Clyde. Have to be the most over-looked player in best of teams. Only comment i'd have is with Fittler. With so many play makers, do you need Freddie at lock? I'd imagine Tallis or Thorn would be a bigger threat.

2017-12-14T20:50:26+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Yeah, lock is an interesting position. In my early days the lock was a workhorse, think Price, Pearce, Hatch. Then there was the ball playing lock. Scott Hill, Fittler, Travis Norton. Now the third middle third forward Galen, Trbojevic, McGuire.

2017-12-14T20:37:01+00:00

Greg Ambrose

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The two players in my time who demoralised their opponents the most in my opinion were Wally Lewis and Greg Inglis. Lewis at origin level diminished the reputation of so many 5/8's but Brett Kenny wasn't one of them as he has a great record when opposing the King. Olsen Fillipina at International level gave the King a bit of his own medicine at times. Inglis at all levels was lethal and almost impossible to tackle one on one at times. The best runner of the football I've seen.

2017-12-14T18:28:22+00:00

Rod

Guest


Didn’t Churchill change fullback play by setting up his outside backs. I don’t know never saw him play. But general description suggest Billy Slater is a clone of Churchill

2017-12-14T18:28:21+00:00

Rod

Guest


Didn’t Churchill change fullback play by setting up his outside backs. I don’t know never saw him play. But general description suggest Billy Slater is a clone of Churchill

2017-12-14T16:43:56+00:00

RM

Guest


One of the things that infuriates me is when people say "Slater changed how fullbacks have to play - now they need to be ball-players as well as a running threat". No. No. No. It was Lockyer who did that. He carved defenses apart from fullback with his running game, and also was an elite ball-player whose passing and kicking game puts Slater in the shade. His kicking was so good that by 98/99 he was already the dominant kicker on the Broncos team in general play as a fullback. Slater is a great player - a truly great player - but he did not change the role of a fullback. In the mid-2000's he was being kept out of the fullback role at rep level by Karmichael Hunt precisely because Hunt's ball-playing was much better than Slater's at that stage of their careers. The role had already changed and it was Lockyer who changed it. It speaks volumes of Slater's drive and dedication that he continued to improve that area of his game to the point where from around 2009-onwards he could be considered a great ball-playing fullback as well.

2017-12-14T08:32:00+00:00

Greg Ambrose

Guest


Malcolm Reilly was a great player who was part of British teams who beat Australia and helped turn Manly around. Possibly had a Cameron Smith type effect on teams, a born winner.

2017-12-14T06:15:18+00:00

Rod

Guest


I’d argue that Lewis had a broader skill set than JT 1) I think he had better vision overall 2) he was a force of nature on the field 3) he was a dominant defender 4) great kicker 5) superior passing game, basically introduced the bullet pass to then game( probably something he picked up from union) 6) he played against better NSW sides than JT did consistently throughout his career. The thing with JT and I believe he is truely is a great player. It’s not his individual attributes which I believe number of players hqve a better skill set ,that makes him so great. He just never gives in He just keep coming until he wins the battle on the field.

2017-12-14T05:34:08+00:00

The Barry

Roar Guru


Yeah good point...his famous match winner in 89(?) was basically due to his speed off the mark. There was not much doing and he blitzed the defence with pace...and that was late on his career.

2017-12-14T04:28:30+00:00

Craig

Guest


1. Lockyer 2. Slater 3. Meninga 4. Renouf 5. Inglis 6. Thurston 7. Langer 8. Webcke 9. Smith 10. Lazarus 11. Tallis 12. Clyde 13. J Smith 14. A Johns 15. S Burgess 16. M Scott 17. P Harragon People have short memories and forget just how good Lockyer was. He completely changed the mould of fullbacks with his skillset. I had to sneak J Smith in, he was a tremendously underrated footballer IMO.

2017-12-14T00:33:49+00:00

Mushi

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Hmm a bit cut off there! Lewis was also lightning quick off the mark, which was deceptive given he looked like a middle aged man at a BBQ. Even at rep level you see footage of him hitting a gap the defence didn't know existed. It's what made him a horrible coach though, he assumed every one had his skill set.

2017-12-13T23:02:05+00:00

Mushi

Guest


Lewis was al

2017-12-13T22:08:55+00:00

Squidward

Roar Rookie


The conspiracy madness is strong with this one

2017-12-13T21:48:59+00:00

mushi

Guest


not if you're English and can only name those you've seen live.

2017-12-13T21:47:43+00:00

mushi

Guest


“IMO -Can’t see the value in only having 2 big bodies on the bench when you could have selected players who could comfortably play back row or 5/8 roles at any level- i.e: Fittler/King Wally/Daley over Lockyer or Johns.” But he does have Wally so your critique doesn’t make sense. Is it that much of a stretch to say hey Wally, I know you weren’t named on the bench but would you mind moving to Lock whilst Johns/Lockyer/Thurston plays the #6. Also I don’t think it would be a stretch to have Johns play a 80s/90s style lock for a spell given his stout body. "Unfortunately neither of your centres are accomplished wingers or fullbacks, so if a winger goes down you would need to move Slater to wing and Lockyer to F/back." Slater played wing in SOO, I think a full back with his pace would be fine hanging out wide in an injury reshuffle. Also wing is the easiest position to cover for given the low involvement rate “your backrowers are simply not versatile enough to cover many positions.” What positions do you want them to cover? McCarthy and Clyde were both quality ball runners capable of playing in the centre or wide. I’d say in an injury situation you could put Clyde or McCarthy in the centres without it being an obvious weak spot. He’s already got 5 guys capable of playing in the halves, so not sure what other position they’d need to cover.

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