A defence of Gus Gould's musical chairs approach at Penrith

By Penrith Punter / Roar Guru

Penrith Panthers are under immense pressure to finally fulfill their potential in 2018.

More recently, General Manager Phil Gould has been the target of public scrutiny over the club’s revolving-door playing roster. Since Gould took charge of the Panthers in 2011, the Mountain Men have been transformed from cellar dwellers to potential premiership contenders. But Gould’s tenure has also coincided with significant player turnover.

The issue has become more prominent following the departures of Bryce Cartwright, Leilani Latu and Matt Moylan in the past four months. The decision to release both Moylan and Cartwright, in particular, has been questioned given the duo signed new deals in September 2016 to keep them at Penrith Stadium until 2021.

Moylan and Cartwright were symbolic of Gould’s strong belief in the importance of local development in Penrith’s future. How is it that, only a year-and-a-half after signing long-term deals, two of Penrith’s most important players decide to leave with the Panthers’ premiership window still well and truly open?

As General Manager of the club, Gould’s decision-making has been rightfully examined given the quality of players who have departed in recent years.

However, as Gould recently explained in an interview with Phil Rothfield, “behind every player we release, there is a story and a reason.” By investigating some of the most significant player exits from Penrith, it’s clear that there’s justification behind the vast majority of Gould’s decisions.

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Bryce Cartwright
Cartwright’s release looks a fair decision given the concerns that plagued his 2017 season both on and off the field. The skillful forward’s departure was necessary to give him a fresh start away from Sydney, where he was constantly reminded of the personal demons that held back his development.

Ultimately, if Cartwright was not comfortable at Penrith, it’s unlikely he’d have been able to fulfill his potential.

In terms of form, Cartwright was a shadow of his former self last year. However, there were no guarantees he would ever rediscover the form that saw him touted as a potential Origin bolter in 2016. Cartwright admitted that in order to improve as a player, he needed to get out of Sydney. There was little that Gould could have done in this situation.

Leilani Latu
Latu’s breakout season in 2016 saw him emerge as one of the most skillful big men in the game. The front rower bagged four tries, four line breaks and five try-assists in 22 games, adding much-needed spark off the bench.

Last year, however, Latu struggled to deliver the same impact, resulting in just two tries, one line break and no try-assists from 19 games. The Panthers boast extensive depth in their forward pack and Latu would not have been guaranteed a bench spot in 2018 with that kind of form.

Matt Moylan
Moylan was expected to be the poster boy of Penrith – a role model for all Panthers fans to look up to. It was a significant factor in making him captain. Unfortunately, a series of behavioural issues meant that Gould had little choice but to let the promising fullback turned five-eighth go.

The decision to release Moylan was also valid considering what the Panthers received in return – two-time premiership winner James Maloney. While Moylan lacked game management skills and an established kicking game, Maloney has both in spades and should have the right influence on the promising Nathan Cleary.

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Mitch Rein
Rein joined the Panthers in 2017 and was a dependable fill-in for regular hooker Peter Wallace. While it would have been preferable to hold onto the experienced dummy-half, the club views Sione Katoa as the short-term successor to Wallace.

Peta Hiku
Hiku’s versatility was perhaps the only reason Penrith fans would be lamenting his departure. The Kiwi international struggled to make an impact in his time at the Panthers.

An ACL injury saw Hiku make just 11 appearances for Penrith in 2016, while he only managed one try and one line break in an underwhelming start to his 2017 campaign. Depth was the greatest asset that Hiku offered to the Panthers given the emergence of Waqa Blake and comeback of Dean Whare.

Te Maire Martin
At the time, this decision appeared hasty. Martin and Cleary were given just seven games together before the former was dropped and released to the Cowboys. However, this choice was Martin’s rather than that of the Panthers.

The opportunity to work under Johnathan Thurston is one few would refuse. Martin has immense potential but he was still developing, and his combination with Cleary was just not working due to their inexperience. This is a decision that was the right one in the short-term but, like the release of Moylan, one that Gould may regret in the future.

Jamie Soward
Soward’s experience and game management was a big reason for Penrith’s rise in 2014. The former Dragon posted 18 try-assists from 25 games that year. However, in the following two seasons, Soward failed to deliver, managing just 12 try assists from 28 games.

The five-eighth had little left to contribute, while his departure also paved the way for rising start Nathan Cleary to get more first-grade opportunities.

James Roberts
Roberts has developed into one of the most exciting and potent centres in the competition at the Broncos. The speedster’s talent was never in question. Rather, a series of off-field incidents left Gould with little choice but to sack Roberts in 2014.

Having been dismissed by the Rabbitohs in 2012 for disciplinary reasons, Roberts displayed little personal growth two years later when he smashed a taxi window. Despite his potential, the decision to part ways with Roberts was the right one given his lack of maturity at the time.

Lachlan Coote
Coote was another product of the Penrith junior development system. While a consistent performer, Coote’s release was well considered given his history of injuries and the rise of Matt Moylan in 2013.

Since making his debut in 2008, Coote only twice managed more than 16 games in a season due to a variety of injuries. After five years of service, it was a timely decision that Coote would be let go to allow for Moylan’s development.

Michael Jennings
Jennings was one of the high-profile players let go by Gould in his first few seasons in charge. While Jennings has since established himself as one of the most consistent centres in the NRL, the verdict to release him was the right one bearing in mind Jennings’ behavioural issues at the time.

Jennings missed training sessions and, when he did bother to turn up, was occasionally hungover – a terrible look for the club. The Australia and Tonga international was on a contract worth approximately $650,000 a year. He simply wasn’t worth it considering the attitude problems he had.

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Luke Lewis
Following his decision to leave, Lewis openly admitted he felt stale and needed the change to reinvigorate his career. Getting the best out of any player who’s not fully committed is always difficult and thus the decision to let the backrower leave was understandable.

Regardless, this is one move that I believe Gould would regret given what Lewis’ experience and consistency could have offered to the developing Penrith squad.

Evidently, while Gould’s time at Penrith has coincided with a significant increase in player movement, the majority of these changes made sense. Gould’s most important decision, however, will come shortly – if Nathan Cleary is granted a release the pitchforks will be well and truly out.

Cleary is the new face of the Panthers brand – young, well-spoken and freakishly brilliant on the field. The Panthers can build a dynasty around the 20-year-old and their recent releases should free up enough money to be competitive in any bidding war.

While the departures above were justifiable, if Cleary joins them, I’ll have no defence.

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2018-02-14T02:00:43+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


I do hope that Cleary and Maloney do fire Albo because their combination is pivotal to Penrith's success in 2018. I do agree that Cartwright and Latu were two of their most creative forwards and you are right, Penrith's pack now lacks that flair. That's probably where Merrin needs to stand up - finding the balance between hard running and his (often untimely) offloads. He is getting paid a lot and needs to prove he is worth the money. As for their attack this year, I feel more confident with Maloney's experience and game management that there will be less scrambling in the opposition 20 and more organisation. This is why I am optimistic about the swap as Moylan, as naturally brilliant as he was, lacked game management skills. Either way, we are set for an intriguing year as Panthers fans, best of luck Albo love your passion.

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2018-02-14T01:57:13+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


No I definitely understand that clubs tread lightly around serious issues regarding players and like to keep things hidden from the public at times. But obviously I wasn't going to mention it in my article because it is still just a rumour and would be unfair to TMM to restart it again.

2018-02-14T01:53:39+00:00

Albo

Guest


I think you have pretty much nailed it , souvalis ! At least you can look forward to your Sharks adding some much needed attacking flair to their game with the addition of Moylan. And assuming he has got his head together and keeps out of Northies, he should add plenty to the Sharks premiership chances this season. As for us Panther fans, we have just got our fingers crossed that our now "flairless" Panthers team ( without the creative types like Moylan, Cartwright, & Latu ) can grind out enough wins to remain competitive this season. Just not sure we are equipped for the grind, with our defensive limitations. So where do we get the tries from to keep in front ? More midfield bombs & Hail Mary's look to be on the cards ? Perhaps if guys like Fisher-Harris & Kikau get some game time they might add a new power dimension, but it would mean limiting the safer, one dimensional play of Yeo & Corey HN and that would seem far too risky an idea for the current Panthers regime ! All the balls are now squarely in Cleary & Maloney's courts to make things happen somehow. No pressure boys.

2018-02-14T01:37:05+00:00

souvalis

Guest


Peter Mullholland does a good podcast on what clubs put out to the media about players and why..pretty interesting.. Anyway,it’s neither here nor there what he did..

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2018-02-14T01:21:16+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


1. Sure, they helped him in 2016 but Cleary showed in 2017 he is his own player and can carry this team by himself. 2. Yeah potentially that was a factor but not the main one. Cartwright would have definitely started on the bench but if he was committed he would have fought his way back into the side like most do. His heart and head was just not in Sydney. 3. Griffins discipline has nothing to do with their results. His actual tactical coaching does and I have admitted that that area of his coaching is lacking at the moment given how much Penrith struggled in the opposition 20 last year. 4. Maloney is not Moylan though. Moylan was young and naive. Maloney is more experienced and professional - he may be a larrikin type but he is more wise and understands what is needed to succeed.

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2018-02-14T01:15:55+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


This was the statement put after his release - surely Gould doesn't go to the effort of defending him if he had done something so wrong? https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/news/2017/06/16/statement-on-te-maire-martin/

2018-02-14T01:01:08+00:00

souvalis

Guest


@‘Do you seriously.....’ The ones that are direct quotes from TMM’s manager getting stuck into the Warriors carry a bit of weight.....don’t you think ? Makes far more sense than ‘everyone’s come out and rubbished it’..because one significant player in this fracas clearly hasn’t...

2018-02-14T00:45:33+00:00

souvalis

Guest


Didn’t say last year,said highlight reel...in ‘16 when both Moylan and Cartwright were contented they were at another level..and took Cleary with them.. Cartwright has been quoted as saying that the final straw pushing him into Gus ‘ office was the realization that Griffin wasn’t going to give him game time..the straw that broke his back.. In your opinion X,how do you rate Griffins ‘disciplined style of coaching’ in terms of individual performance and output during ‘17 ? If,they start 2-7 again this year using the same plays and style,you’ll be satisfied ? Believe me,if it’s discipline the coach is requiring Maloney won’t last 2 minutes...the mentor,who’s never had a mentoring influence on a team mate halfback in his NRL life...

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2018-02-14T00:25:00+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Do you seriously believe everything you hear in the media though?

2018-02-14T00:13:38+00:00

souvalis

Guest


Yeah,there’s no way the Warriors would have thoroughly checked that out...

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2018-02-13T23:23:37+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Cleary's form last year was due to his own brilliance not Moylan and especially not Cartwright. More than anything what I see is the slick combination he is forming with Dylan Edwards. Cartwright asked to leave because he could not stand to be in Sydney given the torment he was enduring off the field, so I would really hope that if any player has mental issues that bad, the club does not stand in their way and looks out for them. Yes, in hindsight, perhaps they could have fought harder to keep Moylan yet it seems like if he was clashing with Griffin, it was due to his disciplined style of coaching which Moylan didn't agree with. If Moylan did not like it, he needed to learn to deal with it. Kikau admittedly needs to prove himself but with more game time he could do just that. If Cleary does leave, however, I will have nothing to say in defence of the club so fingers crossed they are smart and realise how important keeping him is and fight hard for his signature rather than using the 'Ivan is his father' card to easily submit and let him leave.

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2018-02-13T23:15:15+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Cartwright just had a bad season on the field last year due to what was happening off it. It would have been hard for him to concentrate on footy. The move to the GC was necessary for him and while he is a talented player no doubt, he has also had his fair share of ordinary games. Couple that with the fact that CHN emerged last year and it is clear Penrith should be able to go on without him.

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2018-02-13T23:12:21+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


The stumbling attack near the opposition line was a massive problem and if it is not fixed this year I put that down to Griffin's coaching because it was definitely what held Penrith back last year.

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2018-02-13T23:05:23+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


Well the Warriors were ultimately quite ignorant to drop out over a rumour without actually investigating it properly. TMM went to NQL solely for the opportunity to play under Michael Morgan and Jonathan Thurston, definitely not because of that rumour. Pretty much everyone has come out and rubbished it.

2018-02-13T20:15:46+00:00

Greg Ambrose

Guest


I was struck last season on how slow Cartwright looked. I could be wrong but That's how he looked. Lack of threat as a ball runner makes a creative player a lot less effective. Less effective and riskier is how it pans out I reckon.

2018-02-13T15:16:39+00:00

PanthertillIdie

Guest


You might have answered your own question there Albo, the problem is possibly a mix of of all of those factors? I too watched all Penrith games closely last season and there were a few others that may not have gone backwards but didn’t exactly go forwards either. ‘Star recruits’ Merrin and Tamou only salvaged a pass mark for the season after gathering some late momentum but certainly didn’t achieve any distinction merits! They were great at getting downfield and into the red zone but had no end product to get across the line. You are right about their defence I think they might have had more missed tackles than anyone else. Passion, pride and leadership are not abundantly evident at the club and there is no local player that has risen to the elite NRL level and lead and demanded others in the squad to follow his example. Probably because - we don’t hold onto anyone! My mention of a ‘well of talent’ was about trying to remain positive about things at Penrith because without that things would be far more depressing for me.

2018-02-13T14:05:42+00:00

souvalis

Guest


I’m a Shark supporter,but had family play at Penrith,so watch them intently and know what a good club they are..that’s what is so frustrating about this..the 2 game breakers at this club were Moylan and Cartwright,the best players at this club were Moylan and Carty...Isaiah Yeo ..an edge back rower who in ‘17 scored 2 tries and broke the line twice....How many quality games did you see Fisher Harris or Kikau play in the regular season..the latter showed some moves in the WC but given nothing but junk minutes thus far to call him ‘quality’..whilst the former looks like he’s going to have an injury marred career.. These players wanted out,they ASKED to leave..Moylan had lost that much respect for the coach he refused to play the last month of the season...Cartwright sensed from the pre season he wasn’t going to get enough game time to proceed to the next level...the same reason Rein and more significantly Latu both asked for releases...this is so not about ‘can’t keep them all’ and totally about player management dissatisfaction.. Glance at Clearys highlight reel,notice how much of his game is off the back of busts by Moylan and Cartwright..that’s gone now...considering the current climate,as his form and ultimately he,soon will be..

2018-02-13T13:00:37+00:00

souvalis

Guest


@BA Exactly the faulty thought process used to keep Des Hasler at the Dogs when his shelf life had clearly expired..if you watched the first nine weeks of Penriths season last year and the ensuing weeks of relentlessly,similar,unenterprising ,innovative deficient attacking football from this side,well,you couldn’t possibly begin to tell us that Griffin coached well in ‘17...

2018-02-13T12:45:52+00:00

souvalis

Guest


Maybe it was just a rumour,but it carried enough credence for the Warriors who had a deal done and dusted with TMM to pull it at the eleventh hour..they back flipped on idle gossip ?

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2018-02-13T11:24:26+00:00

Penrith Punter

Roar Guru


I did consider that myself with the Moylan situation and do think that perhaps Gould will regret losing him in the long run but for the short term, given that penriths premiership window may close soon, it was the right call and Maloneys arrival makes it an even better call as he is the perfect complement to Cleary.

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