Does the A-League hold back our national team?

By Lucas Gillard / Roar Guru

A popular US brokerage firm in 1970s and 80s popularised the tagline “when EF Hutton talks, people listen.”

Around 30-40 years later in the post-social media landscape, EF Hutton would face into a very different audience dynamic.

In Australian football few icons are afforded or deserve as much adoration as Mark Schwarzer. Schwarzer carried the can so often for the Socceroos that he should have multiple copies of all keys to all Australian towns. However, this is 2018 so when Schwarzer talks, half the audience applaud and the other half purges his ideas into the toilet with excessive levels of bile.

Schwarzer was quoted last week in a variety of articles – including on FourFourTwo and Wide World of Sports – as claiming a strong A-League could have some negative impacts on the future (and present) of the national team. To be precise, as quoted by Con Stamocostas from FourFourTwo.

“It’s not a dig at the A-League because we want the A-League to be as good as it possibly can be, we want it to progress….But the emergence of the A-League is going to be a hindrance to the national team, because a generation of players are going to be more than happy to stay in Australia and not necessarily test themselves at the highest level as they possibly can.”

On football forums and groups Schwarzer was in equal measure been called a ‘eurosnob’ and a soothsayer. The divisiveness of this point of view is caused by the fact that it is paradoxically both correct and incorrect.

There are numerous case studies of players rejuvenating careers in the A-League, as much as there are ones who have been content to play in Australia and not test themselves at higher levels. Schwarzer’s paradox is simultaneously what works well in the A-League and also what doesn’t work.

Mark Schwarzer and Tim Cahill (Photo: Paul Barkley / LookPro)

Now let’s just get this out of the way early. By all FIFA co-efficient, club results in Asia and basic empirical evidence, the playing standard across most nations of Europe, and the big ones in Asia, is higher than the A-League.

Only the most protectionist A-League fans would resist this notion on the grounds of Eurosnobbery. So it stands to reason that a player in Switzerland, Belgium or the Bundesliga 2 is coming up against greater competition week-in and week-out. One needs only look at where our Socceroos are playing today to appreciate the quality of the Swiss league or the Bundesliga 2.

One thing most football fans can agree on (or, at least, should agree on) is that the A-League can play a vital role in bringing on youth development in this country. As not all players develop as quickly as, say, Harry Kewell, the A-League should facilitate game time into the 19-20-year-oldplayers who have not yet been scouted by European clubs.

In fact the entire Socceroos starting XI for the most recent game against Colombia featured players who had developed their game in the A-League – with the one notable exception of Massimo Luongo.

Clearly game time at an adult level playing against good professional players is an essential part of honing and crafting your game when you’re an 18 or 19-year-old with a raw skill set, even if that skill set exceeds the quality of the average A-League player.

If you weren’t picked up as a teen and trained in the Spurs academy before going on loan to League One or the Championship, then the A-League is a fantastic pathway.

Daniel Arzani – who now seems destined to be included in Australia’s final World Cup Squad (or just miss out) – represents the next wave of raw talents who could seek a move away a higher level of competition.

Riley McGree is another example where another cache of A-League games under his belt is probably better development then playing with Club Brugge junior teams. Riley may not be picked-up and used in Brugge’s first team next season, but after that scorpion goal in the semi-final, other teams in Belgium or the Netherlands may come knocking on Brugge’s door for a loan spell.

McGree has the time now to work his way slowly into Brugge’s first team by continuously challenging himself at higher levels.

AAP Image/Darren Pateman

However, the Schwarzer paradox includes the accusation that the A-League doesn’t do enough to nurture youth talent. Our Socceroos fiancé Graham Arnold famously referred to the A-League as not a “development league”.

John Aloisi fielded a comical Dad’s Army of forwards in Brisbane’s elimination loss to Melbourne City. Aloisi seems to have avoided a lot of criticism for his team’s effort in that game: criticism that should been stronger and bordering on tactical condemnation.

Aloisi contrived a counter attacking game plan, spearheaded by a forward block of players all well over 30. What was he expecting when he saw all his counters mopped up with ease by City’s back four?

Aloisi will have looked at Melbourne City, identified their lack of real speed and tackling in their midfield pivot and tried to exploit that on the counter attack. But how did he expect this to work with treacly 38-year-old Massimo Maccarone leading the line? When it comes to the A-League being a good development league, it seems that some clubs (like Melbourne City) just ‘get it’ while others don’t. This is much like the tactical know-how of coaches (or lack thereof in Aloisi’s case).

That is emblematic of a young league managed by club boards and a central body (FFA) with back catalogue of hits and (many) misses. In a league so young the governance of teams, both ideologically and tactically, is going to vary wildly as teams develop their smarts and the abilities of their coaches. Inevitably some teams will do a good job of youth development, and others will bottle it badly.

John Aloisi (AAP Image/David Crosling)

One further disappointment to chalk up to youth non-development is Brandon Wilson dropping off a cliff at Perth Glory. Little can be found about why he was shut out at Perth other than losing his position to Neil Kilkenny after (possibly) picking up some injuries.

Wilson is one of this writer’s favourite prospects. He is tall, strong in the tackle, plays a screening role (which is always in high demand in International football) and has an exceptional passing range especially with long balls. Here’s hoping that Wilson either finds his feet with new manager Tony Popovic or finds a set-up that can leverage and nurture his skills.

Ideally Wilson, along with McGree and Arzani should certainly be establishing themselves as regular or supporting Socceroos in Qatar.

While there are development horror stories, the Aaron Mooy case study demonstrates the A-League’s development abilities at its best. It is no coincidence that Mooy found his career flourish at Melbourne City (after being wrangled from Western Sydney Wanderers), as City see youth players as smart future investments. Mooy had spent much of his junior days in Great Britain before taking the step back into the A-League to build experience.

In the A-League Mooy could evolve his game into the outstanding playmaker he is with less pressure on the ball or in training than he would face at a bigger club.

Five years later he was transitioned to Melbourne City’s mothership for a tidy profit before being loaned to Huddersfield. The rest, obviously, is history. The A-League played a crucial role in Mooy becoming the Premier League star he is today, as it provided him the crutch he needed in his development to play regularly and shine.

(Photo by Christopher Lee/Getty Images)

However it isn’t Aaron Mooy that Schwarzer is invoking in his A-League concerns. Mooy clearly is (and probably was) a top talent who just needed game time to make his mark on international clients.

Schwarzer is rather clearly referencing the fringe players who wouldn’t necessarily walk into a Championship side on day one, but who would historically (in his day) have worked through the ranks of European Leagues to grow and challenge themselves to eventually find a pathway into elite competition in their mid or late 20s.

This is the Mile Jedinak path. Mile fought through three seasons of mid-tier Turkish football before finding a pathway into the Championship (when that wasn’t a common course for Australians) before contributing to Crystal Palace’s promotion.

It is this pathway that Schwarzer is highlighting in his commentary. In the NSL days making it as a professional footballer required players to work hard through the leagues of Croatia or Belgium or Scotland, challenging themselves at a higher level than the best their home country could offer.

With the advent of the A-League we have seen many fringe Socceroo prospects hit a wall in Europe in their mid-20s before moving back to Australia.

Players like James Troisi, Oliver Bozanic, Dario Vidosic and Josh Brillante have tried their hands in Europe, bounced around various leagues or levels before returning to play key roles in the A-League.

Troisi was a potential top talent prospect who never settled in Europe. In fact his CV reads like a player marginalising himself with every career choice. In the NSL days Troisi would have been forced to either leave his dreams at the door or fight to stay in Belgium or the Serie B.

Had he rejected the money offered to him in Saudi Arabia or China (or even Victory), Troisi would by all reasoning be a more rounded player today and better equipped to perform for his national team.

Indeed Troisi’s one great game for the Socceroos against Chile in the Confeds cup underlines what he is capable of at his best. The problem with Troisi is that the disparity between his best and worst on the pitch is too great: and one wonders if working week-in week-out against better opposition would have smoothed off his technical flaws to lift his average.

Alas we will never see that talent bear fruit on the international stage, in part because his peak playing years were in lower leagues (including the A-League). Perhaps the most galling part of the Troisi story is that unlike many other Australian players (like Mark Milligan) Troisi has an EU passport which means he could be playing in any league that will take him.

The Troisi use-case threatens to repeat itself with Josh Brillante. Josh – who has an Italian passport – was signed by Fiorentina in 2014 after impressing with the Newcastle Jets as a 21-year-old ready to challenge himself at a higher level.

Brillante’s career at Fiorentina quickly turned into a cautionary tale which seems to have spooked him out of continuing to challenge himself in Europe. After pleasing manager Vicenzo Montella immensely in pre-season, Brillante was somewhat controversially (and prematurely) selected in the opening game of the Serie A season.

He lasted 35 minutes before being subbed off, only to appear once more for the Viola. He spent the rest of that season, and the next, in the Serie B before returning to Graham Arnold’s double pivot at Sydney FC.

Brillante is now 25 and is in danger of being relegated from great international prospect to A-League regular.

With Jedinak and Milligan certain to retire in the next few seasons (if not immediately after the World Cup) the Socceroos have a glaring hole in central midfield for a screen. Many Socceroos fans (and coaches) after 2014 would have earmarked Josh as Mile’s replacement when he hangs up his ample boots.

Four years on we must wonder if Josh is ready to assume this role at International level after leaving Italy after only two seasons. Whether Brillante is willing to move and play in Switzerland, or Belgium, or return to the Serie B underlines exactly the point Mark Schwarzer is making: as right now Brillante would need a big step-change or a white knight to give him an opportunity in a top European league.

In the golden generation Brillante wouldn’t have had the easy path open to him, and he would likely still be in Italy challenging himself against technically better midfielders and working on his craft. The fact that he is playing in the A-League at this ripe age of 25 when his country desperately needs a defensive midfielder for the next world cup cycle represents an opportunity lost.

Josh Brillante (AAP Image/David Moir)

Under Graham Arnold (his coach at Sydney FC) Brillante is likely to see game time for the national team regardless. Sadly for Socceroos fans it will be the flat-track Brillante who will get these caps, not a Brillante who has battled and worked on his game against better opponents for three seasons.

Perhaps the real exposition inside Schwarzer’s paradox is that Australian players could benefit from more firmly established pathways into Europe. Throughout time Australian players have worked with existing networks of agents to find a club who will offer them a trial.

This approach is effectively a free market that treats all players, globally, as equal under meritocractic principles. Australian football needs to take a leaf out of the Roman Abramovich book and realise that not all free markets are actually (or need to be) free.

The exciting part of the mooted Aussie consortium seeking to buy Charlton Athletic is that they are (reportedly) seeking to create a feeder system for Australian talent.

If true this idea is long overdue and a fascinating experiment in artificially boosting the European development of Australian players. In principle this could mean that a player like Troisi looking for a gig in Europe could knock on Charlton’s door and find a more accommodating recruitment team.

Now Charlton just lost a Championship promotion playoff, but let’s say for convenience that a Championship level Charlton would be a fascinating concept that could be replicated across Europe.

Imagine a Championship level club ready willing and able to pick up a 20-year-old Daniel Arzani – even on loan for a season from City – to work on his talents with game time against seasoned professionals.

Or Josh Brillante being invited to compete for a spot in central midfield and really challenge himself rather than risk falling into complacency at a level that he has mastered. This could be a game-changer for the National team.

Perhaps the Lowys or the guy who owns Mona, or Dick Smith could put their hands in their pockets and buy up Zulte Waregem, FC Groningen or 50-1 per cent of VfL Bochum to solve the demand-side problem our Australian talent faces.

Paradoxes like Schwarzer’s expose the fundamental challenge of governance. For every well intentioned decision there are inevitably going to be some negative consequences. All a governing body can hope is that they source enough use data and expert opinion to make decisions that create the fewest negative (and often unforseen) by-products. For every Mooy there will be a Troisi.

At best now the A-League should consider ways to make youth development a priority for clubs as opposed to a “nice to have”, to prevent coaches like John Aloisi making a mockery of counter attacking tactics.

The Crowd Says:

2018-05-24T11:05:58+00:00

Sydneysideliner

Guest


Is it really productive to keep comparing this generation to the Class of 2006, the greatest team in 'roos history? This logic suggests we were doing something really right prior to the A-league, when it could've just been a case of stars aligning for those few exceptional years. Why don't we compare them to a few other eras, like the early 90s spewshirts, with Robert Zabica in goal? Having said that, I don't think A-league clubs do us any favours by trying to buy young overseas-based players, like Roar and Stefan Mauk..

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2018-05-17T06:59:10+00:00

Lucas Gillard

Roar Guru


One day I will dig a bit deeper into an objective comparison between the A-League and other leagues. It seems to be a rather empirically obvious thing that the A-League is a relatively low technical and tactical standard... coming from someone who does watch these levels. If you google "the A-League is a good level" you get hits from guys like Stefan Mauk who are justifying their return to it. That speaks volumes to me

2018-05-17T01:29:51+00:00

Redondo

Guest


Lucas, I'm not trying to argue that the best A-League teams could match the best Championship teams. I don't know what gave you that impression. All I am saying is your examples are not strong ones. There has been some discussion in the Polish press about whether Mierzejewski would be a better option than the wingers currently in their squad. Apparently, the current coach took a dislike to Mierzejewski when he took over the squad. Mierzejewski's biggest problem is that he took the cash on offer in Saudi Arabia and Australia and went invisible, rather than sit in a Euro league. Ninkovic turned down a request to rejoin the Serbian team in 2016. He may be 33 but he is one of the hardest working Sydney FC players. He's not lightning quick but he's a terrific footballer and as far as I can see much better on the ball and with the ball than Grealish. Sydney's problem in Asia was more to do with the team's overall lack of pace and movement and over-reliance on Ninkovic and Mierzejewski to create attacking opportunities. Their attack was also hamstrung having to cover for the lack of Buijs in defence. Any team that overly relies on one or two attacking players can be shut down fairly easily. I reckon top individual talent in the A-League compares very favourably to the Championship. However A-League teams are definitely weaker than the top Championship teams. It's not so clear how far down the English leagues you'd have to go for the best A-League teams to be competitive. Bottom half of the championship - big maybe. One question - what are you trying to prove with your argument?

2018-05-17T00:35:40+00:00

Cousin Claudio

Roar Guru


Thanks pip.

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2018-05-16T23:29:28+00:00

Lucas Gillard

Roar Guru


The notion that Mierzejewski was in the frame for Poland's world cup squad is fairly laughable agenda that is only pushed by A-League enthusiasts or potentially (I must confess I don't read a lot of Polish media) journos who have a wildly optimistic view of the A-League. Firstly, he isn't in their provisional 35 man squad. He hasn't been capped since 2013. He is a good European talent at the downturn of this career. Ninkovic hasn't been capped by Serbia since 2012 and was only capped 26 times. He's also 33. See lack of pace above. Both of these playmakers -like the rest of the Sydney squad - were massively exposed in the AFC Champions League in 4 of the 6 games. Asian teams nullified these guys with ease exposing their lack of pace and movement. When you can sit 2 quicker players in front of them that can get forward and back with positional conscientiousness, you utterly nullify Sydney's attacking quality. Ruben Neves is in Portugal's 23. Grealish and Sessagnon are also extremely young, quick, talented ball players who have their careers at their feet and have been playing at an extremely high level (of output). Grealish in particular has basically carried his team into the playoff final. To borrow your argument, both Grealish and Sessagnon were "pushed" by "Englishmen" (journos) as potential World Cup bolters. Comparing the top talent in the Championship to the A-League is a cakewalk for the Championship. Only the most extreme A-League zealot would think that Sydney FC could be dropped into the Championship and achieve anything more than bottom table knuckleride - as they displayed in the AFC championship

2018-05-16T12:27:02+00:00

Barca4life

Guest


I say as this we have less players plying in the big leagues once we had ago, we have a lot more juniors than we once had but the opportunities at the top has shrunk which has probably resulted as one of the main reasons for a small talent pool. I have a feeling the quality and the fact there are less opportunities is a probably the reason why I say this. But at the same as you said due to the changes at youth development or by more juniors playing football we seem to be producing better technically gifted youngsters especially from under 20 and it seems to be having an effect with the likes of Arzani in the Socceroo squad and McGree and Gersbach being involved. So hopefully in the next few years we see more coming through pushing the current guys but first there needs to be more opportunities to do so, that means more football first team opportunities. Apparently under the new crop Melbourne City and Melbourne Victory teens Dylan Pierias and Pierce Waring are on trail with Genoa and Corezo Osaka, now imagine if there were more professional opportunities how many more we could be developing...that’s why expansion and a second division is so important for fixing one of our youth development problems

2018-05-16T11:34:14+00:00

Redondo

Guest


I’m not sure your comments about Ninkovic and Mierzejewski make much sense. Both are full internationals with many appearances for strong footballing countries. Both are young enough to still be considered for their countries. Mierzejeswki in particular is still being pushed by Poles for their World Cup team. Poland is currently ranked higher than England. Grealish is 22 and has played just 7 times for England under 21s, never the senior team. Your examples don’t help your argument much.

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2018-05-16T10:01:43+00:00

Lucas Gillard

Roar Guru


I agree with you a billion percent on this. It should be really troubling for the industry that so few Australians are working overseas and learning new methods. Guys like Okon and Muscat have connections overseas. Muscat has done about as much as he can with Victory. He should really be trying to take his game to England or elsewhere to pick up some new tricks and expertise

2018-05-16T09:45:20+00:00

pacman

Guest


I like your referencing to coachng jb, particularly your comment "...right down to the lowest junior level." That is where development commences. That is where, hopefully only occasionally, but it does happen, coaches assure parents that their 8 year old son is a future Socceroo. This stupidity proceeds from juniors through to the older levels, and by the latter, I am referring, in my experience, to Brisbane Premier League Youth (Queensland's premier, until recently, youth competitition ). Whilst some of our most highly qualified junior and youth coaches engage in such dubious practices, the development of our game is adversely affected by a superfluous myriad of misinformation. These coaches could not give a rats about the progress of the game in Australia, as they are far more interested in their pay packets, be these from clubs, zones, or schools. Please, don't get me going on the latter, with 6 figure annual salaries, and virtually no contribution to the senior game!

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2018-05-16T09:43:39+00:00

Lucas Gillard

Roar Guru


The Championship is a bruising level on the whole (on average), but it also contains a couple of top level teams that are very technically gifted. 90 minutes against Wolves or Fulham, or a job screening the back 4 from Grealish at Villa is an extremely high quality learning experience for any player. The closest alternative in the A League would be to come up against Mierzejewski or Ninkovic. Players 8 years older and markedly slower than Grealish, or Sessengon or Neves One could not, on any level, favourably compare the A-League to the Championship. It fails every common sense test. Markedly, as stated in the comments, it makes no financial sense for players either. A premier league scout isn’t going to see how you go playing against Burton. They will watch you play Fulham or Wolves. A player like Brillante has a microscopic sample size demonstrating his ability against elite or very high level opposition. This is key to league comparisons. Of course they are academic exercises, however short of just following the money train, we need to understand the exteme ends of the talent pool, when considering how valuable the experience of playing in that league will be. Even Wigan suggested in their FA Cup run that they were capable of high quality football from League One

2018-05-16T07:48:12+00:00

fadida

Guest


Very well said pip

2018-05-16T07:44:27+00:00

fadida

Guest


They are of a much greater quality now too, which again ramps up the competition.

2018-05-16T07:10:38+00:00

LuckyEddie

Guest


A bit racist.

2018-05-16T07:07:23+00:00

LuckyEddie

Guest


No, the huge fuss every 4 years over 3/4 games by the Socceroos is holding back the A-League. Once the 3 games in Russia are over Gallop and his crew will go back to sleep until the next junket. Meanwhile clubs have to get a squad together and then see what schedule FOX comes up with for next seasons games. The EPL in the UK took off when none of the UK countries were qualifying for any international events. The media here will give us a bit of coverage over the two weeks and then ignore us for another 4 years. The media will only step up their coverage if there is some violence. In some ways for us the WC is a distraction from what needs to be done at home.

2018-05-16T06:19:24+00:00

Cousin Claudio

Roar Guru


Most of the Footballroos fans have probably never been to an A-League game. They fall under the Eurosnob or bandwagon category. I've often seen people in Manchester United tops turning up to Footballroos games. There's no great correlation one way or the other. While you are putting down the A-League, just try and remember that its now shown live in over 100 countries round the world to tens of millions of viewers and subscribers. Even at an avge attendance of about 11k, that still puts the A-League in the top 12 football league's in the world. That's pretty amazing for our "little local league" when you consider the salary cap, the hyperinflated player market and the enormous distances teams and away fans have to travel. Look back at what our national football league was like just 13 years ago, when they shut down the NSL.

2018-05-16T06:00:33+00:00

Redondo

Guest


Those are 'typical' earnings. It's a bit hard to tell but some of the stuff I've read suggests a young player in a weaker Championship team might earn three to four times more than their equivalent in the A-League. And if they have to live in the north of England then they are really only earning twice as much.

2018-05-16T05:49:33+00:00

Kris

Guest


The counter-argument is that kids are cheaper and you need some minimum wage players on the bottom of your list to generate the cap space to pay the stars. Arguably without a cap Atkinson and Azzani don't get games at City.

2018-05-16T05:45:24+00:00

Kris

Guest


"According to the Professional Football Association (PFA), Premier League footballers typically earn £25,000-£35,000 per week, Championship players can expect £4,000-£5,000, League One players £1,700-£2,500, and League Two players £1,300 to £1,500.Aug 15, 2014" So that is about $160k for an average player in the English 4th tier. With of course the appeal that if you play well enough to catch the eye you can move up a division or two and get double that.

2018-05-16T05:37:28+00:00

Kris

Guest


The African players were in France and Belgium in particular. They were prevented from signing in England (for example) because their French passports made them 'foreign', once that changed their French passports let them play anywhere in western Europe.

2018-05-16T05:21:19+00:00

j binnie

Guest


Lucas - There are 2 factors to be considered when trying to calculate the effectiveness of any system and how it produces players of talent.. One is coaching ,not just at HAL level but right down to the lowest junior level. Someone in the comments here mentions Ron Smith,a man who has been involved in coaching all across the board, and knowing Ron I would be the first to ask him as to how coaching at all levels has improved during his years in the game here and overseas.(Ron has been involved in local coaching for the last 40 years.) His answer would be extremely interesting. Personally I don't see much change,we have had an English Director of coaching who tried to set up a nation wide system of the coaching ,or education, of those wishing to become football coaches.This man's ideas "died on the vine" due to internal back biting and lack of money. That was in 1975. We move to 2007 when a Dutch coach was lured to our shores and again we were subjected to a system of coaching very similar to what we had seen some 30 years earlier. Today we have a lot of local coaches involved in our top football but even that fact has it's detractors as to whether it is actually improving our top football never mind the juniors. The second factor to be considered is the players themselves.We have strict rules constricting the number of overseas players that can be used in any one season. There are many around who claim that this is a protection for young local players to get some HAL experience but ignores the other question, are the local kids better players than those available from overseas,and if the answer is no then the other question has to be put,if not why not? That brings us back to coaching so you see, we are faced with a never ending circle. Cheers jb.

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