Second-tier rugby by the World Cup margins

By Istanbul Wingman / Roar Guru

The international rugby community’s attention will be fixed on the World Cup semi-finals this weekend, with many wondering if the Brits can defy the odds and set up an unprecedented all-northern hemisphere final.

It certainly wouldn’t be the biggest shock in tournament history given recent form. For my own part, however, I am as always more interested in analysing the gap between the first and second tiers than the one between the hemispheres.

Regardless who wins, England, Wales, New Zealand and South Africa in the semi-finals is not exactly the most encouraging sign for the ‘progressives’ among us. Exchange South Africa for Transvaal and this could just about be the Victorian era again!

But we did have the host nation’s success in reaching the quarter-finals to celebrate. Not only that, Japan won all four of their group fixtures, claiming two first-tier scalps along the way. They are the fourth second-tier nation to reach the last eight, after Fiji, Samoa and Canada.

(William West/AFP/Getty Images)

In contrast, however, the North American pair both failed to win a game for the second straight tournament. The USA were particularly disappointing after the promise shown in their historic win over Scotland last year. Forget staging a World Cup there in the next decade. The 2030s would seem optimistic at this stage.

Most Americans probably don’t even know this one is on, let alone the fact their nation participated in it. At least that was the impression I gained in discussion with a couple of American sport fans this week. They were also much surprised to learn that France were good at rugby, but shrewdly perceived the All Blacks would have been hot favourites to win – which is what your average American seems to know about rugby.

Meanwhile, two second-tier nations completed the group stages with positive points differentials this year – Japan and Fiji – which is one fewer than in 1999 and the same number as 1991. In 1995, 2003 and 2011 only one second-tier team finished with a positive differential, while none did at the 1987, 2007 and 2015 tournaments.

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Japan had easily their best tournament this year, finishing in the positive for the first time with +53. Their best showing previously had been a -2 differential in 2015, while their worst effort was -197 in 1995.

Fiji had their second-best tournament after 1999, finishing on +2. In 1999 they were +56, but at every other tournament they’ve finished in the negative, with a low point of -108 in 2011. They did not qualify in 1995.

Samoa had their second-worst tournament after 2007, finishing on -70. In 2007 they were +74. Samoa were -55 four years ago, but they’ve finished in the positive on every other occasion, with a high point of +42 in 2011.

Tonga had their third-best tournament despite finishing on -38. They have never finished in the positive. Their best effort was -7 in 2007, while their worst was -132 in 2003. They did not qualify in 1991.

USA had their second-worst showing with -104, merely the slightest improvement on 2015, when they finished on -106. They have yet to finish in the positive, with a best showing of -39 in 2003. They did not qualify in 1995.

Canada had their worst tournament to date with a -163 differential. They have finished in the positive on two occasions, with a best effort of +32 in 1999. Their previous worst was -86 in 2011.

Georgia achieved their second-best points differential of -57. They have never finished in the positive since first qualifying in 2003, reaching a high point of -42 in 2007 and a low of -154 on debut.

Romania did not qualify this year. They also have never finished with a positive differential, peaking at -31 in 1991 and reaching a low point of -127 in 2003.

Teams by World Cup tournament, 1987-2019 (group stages only)

Nation 1987 1991 1995 1999 2003 2007 2011 2015 2019
Fiji -45 -36 DNQ +56 -16 -22 -108 -17 +2
Samoa DNQ +20 +8 +25 +21 -74 +42 -55 -70
Tonga -69 DNQ -46 -124 -132 -7 -18 -60 -38
Japan -75 -10 -197 -104 -84 -146 -115 -2 +53
USA -60 -89 DNQ -83 -39 -81 -84 -106 -104
Canada -37 +12 -27 +32 -81 -69 -86 -73 -163
Georgia DNQ DNQ DNQ DNQ -154 -61 -42 -70 -57
Romania -41 -33 -83 -76 -127 -121 -125 -69 DNQ

The Crowd Says:

2019-11-03T07:34:13+00:00

From North

Roar Rookie


Thanks! :rugby:

AUTHOR

2019-11-02T21:15:41+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


There was also a World Cup final, of course. Surprise result, for sure. I had a sneaky suspicion South Africa might produce a somewhat overdue blinder in the final, but England was unexpectedly poor. It would have done the game good for the trophy to travel north of the equator for a change, but equally so to see a black South African captain hoisting it in the air.

AUTHOR

2019-11-02T20:08:48+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Sweden 0 Luxembourg 13. Seems like a bit of an upset.

AUTHOR

2019-11-02T19:47:22+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Congratulations! :thumbup: :thumbup:

2019-11-02T18:50:48+00:00

From North

Roar Rookie


Enisei-STM 10 times in history became the champion of Russia. They beat Krasny Yar in the final derby on 27–13. :rugby:

AUTHOR

2019-11-02T15:59:13+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Austria won 38-9 and Germany 35-15

AUTHOR

2019-11-02T15:49:34+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Thanks, I shared it on the tier rugby 2 & 3 forum.

AUTHOR

2019-11-02T15:31:31+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


All 3 games live on the ENC web site right now. Germany leading Poland 25-8 midway 2nd half, Austria over Norway late 2nd half, and no score between Sweden and Luxembourg midway 1st half.

2019-11-02T08:05:06+00:00

From North

Roar Rookie


Vlog from the festival 50 years of rugby in Krasnoyarsk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V8FGIUsx6g

2019-10-30T15:38:50+00:00

From North

Roar Rookie


Enisei announced the roster for his last Challenge Cup. 56 players. Of these, 15 are newcomers. Three groups: 1. Russians (Davudov, Gadzhiev and Nepeyvoda from the Kuban, Vavilin from Slava, German Davydov from the VVA). 2. Foreigners from Russian clubs (Eden-Whaitiri from Kuban, Sutidze from Slava, Sukhashvili from Metallurg, Eksteen from VVA). 3. Foreigners from other championships (Apoua from Southland, Brown from Zebre, Douwrie from Blue Bulls, Marais from Pumas, Westhuizen and Björn Basson from Griguas). https://www.epcrugby.com/club/enisei-stm/#players

2019-10-29T13:01:27+00:00

From North

Roar Rookie


Of course, this is not normal. In Russia there is even such a term - administrative resource, when a person uses his position to achieve some goals. He is a fan of CSKA. In an interview, he openly said that the gold of the championship should return from Krasnoyarsk to Moscow.

AUTHOR

2019-10-29T12:25:46+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


I see Uruguay has been added to the World Council, which now comprises over 50 members. Tonga is the only second tier nation without direct representation, I believe.

AUTHOR

2019-10-29T12:22:18+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


He's holding both positions at the same time? Is that normal?

2019-10-29T07:11:35+00:00

From North

Roar Rookie


Another point. The head of the RUR Igor Artemyev is also the head of the new rugby club CSKA Moscow. In my opinion this is a conflict of interest. This club aims to win the championship until 2023. At the moment, their level is very low. They played in the minor league.

AUTHOR

2019-10-26T21:43:59+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


In Europe today, from Roon ba: 26.10 Kharkiv Ukraine 27-10 Lithuania Rugby Europe Trophy 26.10 Jūrmala Latvia 22-26 Sweden Rugby Europe Conference 1 North 26.10 Odense Denmark 22-0 Finland Rugby Europe Conference 2 North 26.10 Zenica Bosnia & Herzegovina 3-51 Bulgaria Rugby Europe Conference 2 South

AUTHOR

2019-10-25T13:18:02+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


What matters are the union budgets: - England: 172.4 M£ - 199.5 M€ (2017-2018 season) - RFU Website - New Zealand: 191,4 MNZ$ - 109.9 M€ (2018) - All Blacks Website - Wales: 92.6 M£ - 106.9 M€ (2017-2018 season) - WRU Website - France: 104.4 M€ (2018-2019 season) - FFR Website - Ireland: 85,6 M€ (2018-2019 season) - IRFU Website - South Africa: 1,242 MR - 76.2 M€ (2018) - SARU Website - Scotland: 60.5 M£ - 69.9 M€ (2018-2019 season) - SRU Website - Australia: 111 MA$ - 68.2 M€ (2018) - ARU - Japan: 64 M$ - 59,7 M€ (2017) - Italy: 45.5 M€ (2018) - FIR Website - United States: 31.6 M$ - 28.4 M€ (2018) - USA Rugby Website - Increased by 7s RWC, 18.4 M$/16.6 M€ in 2017. - Argentina: 25 M$ - 22.5 M€ - Agustín Pichot - Russia: 1288 M RUB - 19.4 M$ - 17.5 M€ (2020) - RIA - Canada: 16.2 MC$ - 11.1 M€ (2017) - Rugby Canada - Georgia: 33 ML - 10.3 M€ (2019) - GRU Website - Fiji: 17.6 FJ$ - 7.2 M€ (2018) - FRU - Spain: 5.7 M€ (2018) - FER Website - Brasil: 17.7 MR$ - 3.9 M€ (2018) - Brasil Rugby Website - Romania: around 3.5 M€ (at least 2.3M€ from government in 2019) - Samoa: 10 SM$ - 3.4 M€ (2018) - Samoa PM - Uruguay: 3 M$ - 2.8 M€ (2015) - Kenya: 2M€ (2017) - KRU Website - Portugal: 1.7 M€ (2019) - FPR

AUTHOR

2019-10-25T08:05:46+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Cheers, Tony.

AUTHOR

2019-10-25T08:05:20+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


Agreed.

AUTHOR

2019-10-25T08:03:50+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


The agenda is more equal treatment of all member nations and a more competitive World Cup.

AUTHOR

2019-10-25T08:01:35+00:00

Istanbul Wingman

Roar Guru


When there were such a thing as tiers, those were the 8 teams. There are no longer tiers, officially-speaking, but these 8 nations are still commonly referred to as second tier - due to the second rate treatment. It's kind of a class system. Never quite goes away.

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