Coach’s Corner Issue 18: Come back number 7, your time is not yet up!

By Nicholas Bishop / Expert

Thanks to all who asked a question at the last call-out, or helped stretch and test it during the forum. As I’ve already looked at the number 6 and 8 positions in the Australian back-row extensively, in this column we’ll tiptoe through the thorny issue of number 7!

Do you think that the different application of the laws in Australia will affect the Test series?
– JC Masher

What can we expect to see from the French? Where are they strong and weak and do they have a certain game style they prefer to play?
– Olly

As far as French depth goes, half the squad are newbies! I assume the French aren’t taking this tour seriously and are treating it as developmental. Or is there a changing of the guard in France? Our 684 caps to their 172. Even if we don’t count the top two from each (where for Australia that is two centurions), it’s still 479 to 120. Only 15 out of the 42 were in the Six Nations squad.
– Paul D

Nobody quite knows what to expect from this French squad when it arrives in July.

The selectors have decided to omit most of the top players from the tour, so there are only three established internationals with more than 20 caps in the squad: the colossal, forbidding figure of Romain Taofifenua in the second row, and wings Teddy Thomas and Damian Penaud in the back three. There are 23 uncapped players in a squad of 42.

We can look at the top two questions in conjunction, and answer via a brief outline of the expectations at the number 7 position. Three referees from New Zealand have been appointed for the three Tests; Paul Williams for the first, James Doleman for the second and Ben O’Keefe for the third.

If the refereeing in Trans-Tasman is a form line, the officials will allow a much greater degree of leniency to the defence in and around the tackle zone than say, three referees from the English Premiership. This will suit the French, as the breakdown in Top 14 frequently descends into a chaotic brawl.

Back-rows in France tend to be big and lineout-oriented, with all of the three positions virtually interchangeable. They do not pick specialist number 7s, unlike New Zealand and Australia.

Take a look at some comparative stats from the recent Trans-Tasman and European Champions Cup competitions.

Player Mins
played
Interval
between
carries 
Gain-line/
DOs*
Interval
between
tackles
Completion % Turnovers Lineout
wins/steals
Papali’i 328 13.1 +5/+6 4.5 97 +7 6/0
Boshier 376 16.3 +2/+3 4.9 93 +8 0/0
Wright 373 12.4 +5/+2 6.5 86 +9 3/+2
Hooper** 616 8.2 +11/+4 6 90 +10 1/+1
Cros 311 14.1 +6/+1 6 87 +1 12/+1
Woki 340 15.4 +2/+4 10.6 97 +1 20/+5
Crétin 160 13.3 +0/+5 8.9 95 +3 8/+3

* – DOs are ‘decisive outcomes’ – clean breaks or break/try assists.
** – Michael Hooper’s stats derive from his last major competition (Super Rugby AU 2020).

The second rows in France are under-utilised as lineout receivers. Taofifenua, for example, at 6’7″ and 135 kilos is exclusively used as a lifter, not a jumper.

The receiving burden falls primarily on the back row. Even the player closest to the traditional number 7 skill-set in the Six Nations team, François Cros, is 6’3, and expected to win his share of lineout ball.

None of them are specialists on the ground after a tackle. France expect to get more on-ball production out of positions like hooker (Julien Marchand, Pierre Bourgarit and Camille Chat) and centre (Virimi Vakatawa) – even though none of those players are touring Australia.

New Zealand number 7s are primarily excellent defenders with a very high work-rate in and around the tackle zone, good in support on attack, but with no lineout expectation at all.

Australian opensides tend to be all-rounders; they can defend (although the intensity around the tackle is typically not as high as it is across the Tasman) but more is expected from them on the carry.

Fraser McReight’s stats from Super Rugby AU 2021 are similar to Michael Hooper’s the season before, while the greatest Wallaby number 7 of the professional era, George Smith, was equally adept on both sides of the ball.

To clarify the issue of what Hooper said about sabbaticals. He said that his had probably been beneficial but stressed it was about each player’s individual development and had to be balanced with the need to keep experienced players in Australia to mentor younger ones.

A slightly Hooper-related question — Super Trans-Tasman highlighted the importance of accurate, fast clean-out. Assuming this will also be key against France, who are the best options in the Australian squad to carry this out?
– JC

Hooper has issued a warning that overseas sabbaticals are the only way to move Australian rugby forward. Has Hooper improved as a player? – Ray
If anything, Fraser McReight needs to find form, he was lucky to be picked over Liam Wright.
– RugbyNorths66
No doubt, Thorn did everything he could to get Wright picked over Fraser. Thankfully that didn’t influence Rennie.
– Bobby
It’s bad enough that Hoops is selected at all. But to be parachuted in after have a poor season off the bench in Japan makes my blood boil.
– Tommy

Wallabies coach Dave Rennie has addressed the issue of sabbaticals and their value to Australian rugby. He has previously suggested that Rugby Australia can look to offset the higher salary packages on offer in Europe by either pulling Japanese Top League clubs into Antipodean tournaments, or offering sabbaticals in Japan which drop cash windfalls for the player, while offering R and R for their bodies and maintaining their eligibility for the Wallabies.

As the recently re-elected Wallaby captain commented: “It is a fine balance, we don’t want to be losing our players, we need experienced players to funnel back information and experience to younger players.

“Getting that balance right I know is something that Dave’s big on and has a really open mind to as well, and I know that the players are keen. But again, it’s up to the individual, some guys never want to leave; I never saw that happening for myself and then the opportunity presented itself and I now see it as being beneficial.”

Players do not go to Japan to ‘improve’ in yet another high-intensity environment, they go to rest bodies and minds dizzied by the perpetual treadmill of professional rugby, and press the reboot button. If they can learn something new from the likes of Steve Hansen and Kieran Read along the way, that is a great bonus.

Michael Hooper is recharging his batteries in a much less demanding performance environment in Japan. Although skillsets are good, players are not required to perform them under any pressure in the Top League. There are also breaks in play, of a length and duration which would not be acceptable in the big European and Super Rugby competitions.

Here are three involvements from Hooper’s first game off the bench for Toyota Verblitz.

The breakdown guidelines may increase Hooper’s on-ball impact, with the greater emphasis on arriving first and showing a clear lift of the ball, rather than ‘surviving the cleanout’. Hooper has always been good at the first, but not the second part.

With three Kiwi referees appointed for the series against France, attitude and technique at the cleanout will be under the spotlight. The refereeing will tend to give preference to the defender in all 50-50 situations, so accurate support of the ball-carrier will be essential.

The following table gives a snapshot from the last two games of the 2020 Bledisloe Cup series.

Player/
position
Mins played Cleanout interval (minutes) Cleanout rating
James Slipper
(loosehead)
100 14.2 71
Angus Bell
(loosehead)
40 5 56
Allan Alaalatoa
(tighthead)
105 10.5 44
Taniela Tupou
(tighthead)
55 27.5 45
Matt Philip 160 10 63
Lachie Swinton 34 5.6 66
Michael Hooper 160 6.4 48
Reece Hodge 96 12 56
Hunter Paisami and
Irae Simone
(inside centre)
134 14.9 39

*- Cleanout stats are derived from the final two games of the 2020 Bledisloe Cup Series. They are confined to ‘first man to arrive’, or ‘impactful second man’ and do not represent passive ruck attendance. A cleanout rating of 50 represents average impact, anything above that is superior quality.

Special mention should also be made of Liam Wright, who came off the pine for 11 minutes in Brisbane, and delivered one cleanout-per-minute at a rating of 68!

The stats illustrate impact off the bench. The combination of James Slipper and Angus Bell at loosehead works especially well in this regard, in pure cleanout terms the mix at tighthead (perhaps surprisingly) less so.

Among the forwards, Matt Philip produced the highest rating over the longest period of time (he is an 80-minute player). Lachie Swinton flashed potential quality in the short time he was on the field at Brisbane.

Michael Hooper produced the highest work rate (25 significant arrivals over two games), at an acceptable level of impact given the above-par number of involvements.

Reece Hodge provides the best cleanout value in the Australian backs, with a high involvement level and above-average impact.

There were problems at number 12 after Matt To’omua’s injury. Between them, Irae Simone and Hunter Paisami struggled to make impact at cleanout time, and this is one reason why Simone dropped out of the 2021 squad in the initial 38-man selection.

Two issues which emerged from analysis of the two games included a tendency to enter too low and seal off under pressure.

This can allow the defender to reach over the top successfully, with the benefit of lenient officiating.

The other issue was inaccurate entries on angled cleanouts.

In all of these examples, the support players need to form more of an L-shape to persuade the referee that they are entering through the attacking gate.

Thanks once again who all who contributed a question, or helped evolve one in the debate!

The Crowd Says:

2021-06-29T23:21:44+00:00

JC

Roar Rookie


I’m not going to attempt to respond to everything in your post, ZC. But, as others do, you make the mistake of assuming Hooper is picked at 7 because he’s the captain. This is patently not the case. He’s picked at 7 because he deserves to be picked, and the captaincy follows from that.

AUTHOR

2021-06-29T09:13:44+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


While someone like Wright at 7 gives you a free hand to pick whatever other back rowers you want because they can fill whatever gaps there are. Except it doesn't, because he plays the spot like a natural 6!

AUTHOR

2021-06-29T09:12:33+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


If some of them are Test standard, they must be SRTT standard too :happy:

2021-06-29T01:16:10+00:00

Zero_Cool

Roar Rookie


I disagree with you about the Reds talent base in the back row at say, TT level. I mean that's a whole other level of discussion as to if 'Super Rugby Level' is SRTT or SRAU. You could make the case that almost none of the Aussie players are at 'Super Rugby Level' if SRTT is the standard.

2021-06-29T01:13:12+00:00

Zero_Cool

Roar Rookie


Personally, and I understand a lot will probably disagree with me on this, but I think in the past few years (before Rob V stepping up this year), selecting someone like Wright at 7 would have opened up other back row selections that net you a better overall performance (at least not worse IMO). Selecting Hooper at 7 locks you into picking a certain kind of back row. While someone like Wright at 7 gives you a free hand to pick whatever other back rowers you want because they can fill whatever gaps there are.

2021-06-28T08:12:43+00:00

Derek Murray

Roar Rookie


That’ll be the mystical Liam Gill. He became the best back rower we ever produced when he decided to leave

2021-06-28T06:09:09+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


One of the very, very few refs who consistently favoured the Away, rather than the Home side throughout his career! That is fair on him Nick except if the home side had a dominant scrum. But was it at times to a fault?

AUTHOR

2021-06-28T05:12:58+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Sorry I thought we were talking about refereeing injustices :laughing: The Lions got them in SA and NZ, NZ got them in SA, SA got them in NZ. Part of amateur life. In a way refreshing to see Poite going against the grain, and also characteristic of the man himself. One of the very, very few refs who consistently favoured the Away, rather than the Home side throughout his career!

2021-06-28T05:06:18+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Well the points system for penalties and dropped goals back then being the same as a try – utterly stupid for over half a century – didn’t help the Lions either. Both sides got 20 penalties each in that game – man must half been stop start affair that bordered on ref ego syndrome. Of course, the opposite happens now with ref letting things go that should be a penalty and sometimes players looking bewildered when a ref blows a penalty that is fair under the laws of the game ( remember them Nick?) but as it rarely happens for that infringement they are completely dumfounded– almost comical at times when it happens. But oh how far TV power has travelled eh – rules? What rules? the rule of network dollars… :unhappy: I also love this term “interpreted” If you have to allow different rules being “interpreted” differently by refs and hemispheres then there sure as hell is problem with laws – as in not clear enough or over complicated for goodness sake.

AUTHOR

2021-06-28T04:59:24+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Hooper’s benching by Steve Hansen was probably the most embarrassing exclusion for a Wallaby since Nick Phipps was benched by his club team for the Shute Shield grand final. The whole selection really boils down to how we want our 7 to perform, do we want a genuine fetcher or an attacking threat running in wider channels? Maybe Shag was just recognizing Hooper was in Japan for R & R? Who is this 'genuine fetcher' of whom you speak? :stoked:

2021-06-28T04:58:20+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Yes indeed, but I don't think anything comes close to the blatant and endemic cheating by SA ref in SA for many years. It was so obvious as well but back then there were no repercussions for such obvious nonsense. Any lets just say also that the point system back then for a penalty and dropped goal being worth the same as a try was - lets be honest - just a wee bit stupid and unfair.

AUTHOR

2021-06-28T04:57:50+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


:thumbup:

AUTHOR

2021-06-28T04:57:13+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Unless you're French, you do not need your 7 to be a jumper in the lineout! I disagree with you about the Reds talent base in the back row at say, TT level. I don't see six players who can all offer more or less the same output. Fraser and Harry are two point of difference players, and I think Liam Wright can become an international 6 if he can develop his physique. Beyond that I do not see the same level of expertise.

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2021-06-28T04:50:46+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


You rightly mention Liam Wright as a good captain - better than Hooper - ZC, but unfortunately he's not a better player as a number 7. This is why I was tinkering with other ways of getting him into the Aussie team in 2020 (at 6)! That is where I feel he belongs at Test level, and until he gets a run in the spot we will never know.

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2021-06-28T04:47:02+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Far worse injustices have been perpetrated on Lions tours than Poite's decision Fox. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/93045795/lions-tour-most-controversial-moments-from-past-tours 1959 Lions, six Don Clarke pens beating four Lions tries - Terry McLean wrote that "if it were possible New Zealand would like to rub this match out of the record". So the Lions in NZ were about due for a piece of luck!

2021-06-28T01:05:44+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


I remember a couple of refs – I think Barnes was one – said the Richie McCaw was the most intimidating Captain because he knew the law book inside out even quoting the number of the law from the law book on occasions. I think this is how he got away with so much at the ruck perhaps…very smart player> Speaking of refs Nick check this article out Polite admitting he made the wrong call in 3rd drawn Lions test in Auckland…as if we didn’t already know! https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/125578342/referee-romain-poite-finally-admits-error-that-cost-all-blacks-series-win-over-lions

2021-06-27T23:21:06+00:00

Zero_Cool

Roar Rookie


The other issue I hate with him being captain is it locks us in to playing very specific back rows, because we've got to cover his deficiencies. When even if you think Hooper is the best 7 we've got (I think it's pretty clearly at least a close run thing), perhaps playing a different 7 who allows us to pick a different 6 & 8 for example might give us more overall. If your captain isn't going to do their core functions exceedingly well at a minimum they've got to be far and away your best option at their position. A good example of this would be O'Connor for the Reds, no one else is coming close to JOC for the Reds flyhalf spot. Whereas Liam Wright (who is a very good captain IMO, has all the core skills) is under insane amounts of selection pressure with that Reds back row.

2021-06-27T23:15:43+00:00

Zero_Cool

Roar Rookie


Regardless of what Hooper has issues with the Ref we had a chance to see last year that it wasn't a situation of Cheika's gone now it'll get better because Cheika was behind all that... it didn't he's still awful with the refs. The 22 year old Liam Wright has proven to be better at those key aspects of captaincy than Hooper, he's shown to be very knowledgeable about the game and to be able to articulate that to the referees. The WHY doesn't matter beyond trying to fix the problem, but that's not REALLY what we need to do here, we've got plenty of others guys who can do those things. Plus the other thing to consider is having Hooper as our captain forces us to start him at 7, when maybe he's not our best starting 7, or doesn't fit well into our best starting back row. Why would you force yourself into that position when you've got alternatives who can do the job of captaining the side. It's the same as why you'd not make AAAAA your Wallabies Captain -- because he's got Tupou right their with him. And one more thing is it's an indicator to the team, that was the past, we've moved on from the past, we have a new coach, we have a new captain, those results in the past were unacceptable, our captaincy was unacceptable, we are starting with a clean sheet and building this form the ground up. I feel like it's been pretty obvious that Rennie didn't have a free hand (I don't see how you could look at the whole situation and think 'retaining Hooper as captain is a good solution'. Just given the history... Hooper is our worst performing long term captain, he clearly has had a bad relationship with the officials, either of those things on their own really ought to be grounds for someone coming in fresh to say 'yep we are going a different direction'. Rennie pretty clearly doesn't have a free hand here because Rugby Australia (sorry the Sydney Boyz club) have decreed 'Hooper is one of the boyz' and one of the boyz will be captain.

2021-06-27T22:59:48+00:00

Zero_Cool

Roar Rookie


A lot of Aussie players take less money so they can build a better team... Not saying Hooper 'should have' but it happens. And this criticism isn't at Hooper per se but he IS being paid a million dollars a year, he's gotta find a way to give Rugby in Australia that value.

2021-06-27T22:54:24+00:00

Zero_Cool

Roar Rookie


IIRC McReight was used as a jumper in the Reds Trial games this year, but it's tough when they've got Wright & ASY who are actually good jumpers. I think the real issue McReight is facing is the classic 4 (or 5) into 3 problem. The Reds are stacked absolutely stacked with back row talent McReight, ASY, Wright, Uru, Wilson, Wallis and they've got other guys still at club would would give it a red hot go if they got the opportunity; not to mention LSL (IMO at least) is still a converted 6 playing Lock. That's 6 guys who could easily play Super Rugby in the back row. You had ASY playing out of his skin, Wright the captain and Wilson really stepping up in SRTT. I felt like our issue with the breakdown at SRTT was the way the breakdown was officiated and the way NZ teams targeted it. NZ teams were saying stuff the rules just get on the ball. There was no regard for the rules. No clear release, the jackler was coming in from the side, putting their arms on the ground and/or using the tackled player to prop themselves up off the ground... And they were very quick to get the 'latch' in over the jackler. It did look like the Aussie teams were use to the jackler giving up once they were off their feet (rather than not be penalized) but they didn't ... and weren't penalized. But it was interesting it wasn't just one team, it was every team and every Kiwi team did it, so obviously it was something of an institutional issue. It is a concern for test level, but that's only one of the several 7 alternatives we have, not to mention the options we would have had in an alternative universe where we don't spend so much on Hooper and spend that money on other players (like Skelton or Aarnold or whowever).

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