Three coaches, three philosophies at Wests Tigers

By Joe Frost / Editor

The Wests Tigers have been the story… look, I’d say this week but when have they not been in the rugby league headlines?

I generally steer clear, because there are more than enough negative yarns being rammed down their long-suffering fans’ throats.

This past seven days however, I’ve watched with fascination as the Tigers – sorry, Wests Tigers (quick aside: a former editor had a thing with us about calling them just ‘Tigers’, as it pisses off the Western Suburbs side of the partnership) – laid out their coaching plans.

In short: Brett Kimmorley now, Tim Sheens next, Benji Marshall later.

With the amount of coaches they go through, a three-man plan is probably a wise idea.

And each has their own philosophy when it comes to the coaching game.

Tim Sheens: Supremo
‘Supremo’ is perhaps the word I hate the most in a sporting context. What does it even mean?

Context gave me strong clues but I didn’t know for sure, so looked it up, with Merriam-Webster (via Google) telling me this “chiefly British” saying means “one who is highest in rank or authority”.

All right.

Now, by my estimation, the rugby league media have conferred this title upon three men.

The first is NRL chair Peter V’landys, who can apparently just go out and buy a $25 million pub for the game on a whim, so I guess he deserves the title.

Then we’ve got Nick Politis who has been chairman of the Roosters for going on 30 years and has a reported net worth more than the game of rugby league itself. So, yeah, he can be one too.

Next is Phil Gould, who is now Supremo at the Bulldogs – although his status as “highest in rank” anywhere has to be in question given he was sacked by the Panthers after Ivan Cleary decided he’d had enough of Gus meddling with his roster.

(Gus says it didn’t go down like that, but then if you listen to Gus, he’s never sacked anyone, never been sacked by anyone, and such is his disdain for the word, he believes the entire hessian industry is fake news.)

This year however, we’ve had a fourth added to the mix: Tim Sheens.

And if you want evidence that he’s earned the title, you need only look at the weight he’s thrown around since returning to Concord almost a decade after getting the boot and then suing the club.

Hired as the club’s head of football, he was in a position of sufficient power that he effectively fired coach Michael Maguire, then hired himself to take over as top clipboard-holder from 2023, with the head of football role being put on ice for two years so there’s no one looking over Sheens’ shoulder. Then in 2025, when Benji Marshall takes over as head coach, Sheens will revert to his former job as head of football.

How’s that for professional acrobatics? Take the job above coach, sack the coach, take over as coach, suspend the role that can sack the coach until you’re not head coach anymore, then go back to being the guy effectively in charge of the coach when you hand over the reins.

Basically, he’s created a new job title at the Tigers: ‘Tim Sheens’. Guess what qualifications you need?

Honestly, I don’t think ‘Supremo’ comes close to the level of authority that shows.

Tim Sheens. (Photo by Mark Evans/Getty Images)

Benji Marshall: Old player
Set to head up the Tigers (look, I love the Magpies, but let’s just get on with things, shall we?) for three years from 2025 onwards, club legend Benji Marshall has precisely zero experience as a first-grade head – or even assistant – coach.

Or, at least, that’s what a fool would believe. You ask Benji, he’s been at it for years.

“Me not having any coaching experience, the last five years of my career I felt like I did more coaching than playing,” he said on NRL 360 last week.

“That doesn’t resonate to what an assistant coach does but I’ve seen the ins and outs.

“I know how to plan an attacking structure, I know what it takes to be successful in attack and that’s what my job is going to be.”

Just to recap, the last five years of Benji’s career were spent at Brisbane (one season), the Tigers (three seasons) and Souths (one season). Sure he’s the legendary Benji Marshall, but he’s also ‘Johnny Come Lately’ for three of those years, even at the Tigers, where he was returning after a four-year absence.

I also struggle to believe he was doing “more coaching than playing”. For sure he would have mentored some young players and I don’t doubt for a second that he knows “what it takes to be successful in attack”, but that’s a long way off being an assistant coach – let alone the head coach of an entire club.

I know it’s his job to talk up his skills and inspire confidence, but it wouldn’t hurt for him to also admit that he’s got a lot – like, just so much – to learn in two short years.

(Photo by Jenny Evans/Getty Images)

Brett Kimmorley: Storyteller
As for the guy who’s got the gig at Concord right now, Brett Kimmorley is currently 0-5, his charges experiencing none of the post-coach-sacking sugar-high after Maguire was removed.

On Sunday, they missed a golden opportunity to take down the reigning premiers as the Panthers rested all seven of their State of Origin representatives, which Kimmorley highlighted by saying “it wasn’t respectful”.

“They’re a very good organisation that are entitled to rest their players and do whatever they want. We thought it wasn’t respectful,” he said in his post-match press conference.

“They’ve been premiers, their guys are playing big minutes, [but] they were the only club that rested their players before the team sheet came out.”

You’d say he’s not wrong – the Panthers could have staggered their rep players’ holidays over the next few weeks – except the score is really all that matters, and on that count, Penrith finished 18-16 ahead.

So, yeah, maybe it was about the amount of respect the team coming outright first can afford to show the team coming equal last.

(Photo by Mark Kolbe/Getty Images)

To be fair to Kimmorley, he wasn’t in a huff, smiling throughout the conference and trying to be careful with his words.

He even said, “I don’t want you to make a headline that I’m disrespecting what Penrith are doing” and that his job “as a coach is to be a storyteller and I used [Penrith resting players] for us during the week”.

“It’s my role as a coach, sometimes it’s not black and white, sometimes you need to say some things that create a story, create a reason why we’re going to prove people wrong,” he said.

Except, again, his team didn’t prove people wrong. And despite Kimmorley saying he’d really rather it wasn’t a headline that he said Penrith resting players “wasn’t respectful”, guess what the headline was out of his press conference?

“That was a bit of a journey I went on this week,” he said.

Looking back on that journey, I hope he learnt the difference between creating a story and creating a headline.

The Crowd Says:

2022-07-21T00:31:49+00:00

Justin

Guest


It was at Leichhardt. :laughing:

2022-07-20T22:59:31+00:00

Paul

Guest


I don’t even remember that event? Dumbo just wrote that it was by ‘one’ supporter? Are you trying to say that virtually a whole crowd of one teams supporters abusing & really what amounts to assaulting another teams supporters, players, coaching staff. Is the same as what one supporters said at a game? That’s really stretching it isn’t it? I don’t really care about Penrith or the Tigers in particular. I was just interested that you were critical of one teams behaviour, after really what was initially a just a message of support of your Tigers from a supporter of another team. Then said that they should own anything that their team has done wrong in your eyes & move on. Yet your Tigers supporters have done something that’s far worse. On top of that, you try to deflect that criticism of your Tigers , with ‘ your supporters aren’t squeaky clean ‘ & ‘ they must have done something to deserve the Tigers crowds treatment’. Sounds like you’re a hypocrite & not owning your own teams failings David? Why not just take the bit of moral support from some other teams supporter & move on in the first place? Doesn’t matter , if they’re not a real Tigers supporter.

2022-07-20T07:22:10+00:00

Big Daddy

Roar Rookie


Must have been from tiger's side , couldn't imagine any self respecting magpie doing that . :happy:

2022-07-20T04:07:22+00:00

David

Guest


Whether it’s one fan or a small minority I was just showing that even the precious panthers fans aren’t immune from bad behaviour so before anyone goes labelling Tigers fans as appalling maybe they should go and look in their own backyard first.

2022-07-20T01:45:20+00:00

dogs

Guest


So my theory (based on nothing other than my own cynicism) is the have no idea whether Benji will actually end up coaching. Announcing him as future coach is a public relations exercise. Intended to attract/encourage sponsors, prospective players, and fans. It certainly doesn't hurt that he has a significant role in the media. And also announced the same week that Slater generated headlines as a coach with no experience (ignoring the fact that both Meninga and Fittler have proved that rep and club coaching are very different things) Side note on the rep coaching: If the Kiwis win the world cup, is Madge next in line as Blues coach?

2022-07-20T01:41:50+00:00

Dumbo

Roar Rookie


March 2018. Reports at the time spoke of "one fan", so I would not be vilifying the Panthers' supporters as a whole on the strength of that incident.

2022-07-19T23:58:59+00:00

Adam

Roar Guru


Some of my best stuff is swears though!

2022-07-19T16:45:26+00:00

Pilferer

Roar Rookie


Is white anting a coaching philosophy? :silly:

2022-07-19T11:22:30+00:00

David

Guest


None taken Paul, but just so you know Penrith fans aren’t immune from appalling behaviour either. Greg Inglis was racially abused by fans at Penrith 4 years ago. ????

2022-07-19T11:15:03+00:00

David

Guest


All I’ll say to you Paul is that you have a very short memory. Look up Greg Inglis racial abuse at Penrith 4 years ago. There will always be dickheads at football matches so don’t try and make out that Penrith fans don’t behave appallingly at times also. It’s part of life unfortunately.

2022-07-19T11:10:17+00:00

Panthers

Guest


It’s your Tiger/ Cleary thing? Didn’t have to do anything other than turn up. The worst thing some Penrith supporters have done , is the Raiders Viking Clap. Sorry, if it was disrespectful Raiders supporters. :thumbup:

2022-07-19T11:06:52+00:00

David

Guest


You’ve obviously got a short memory also. You’ve obviously forgotten about the racial abuse Greg Inglis copped at Penrith 4 years ago. Not so squeaky clean after all. You we’re probably one of the fans that was ejected that day. ????

2022-07-19T10:54:17+00:00

David

Guest


It makes me wonder what the supporters of Penrith did though that brought that on. I’m sure you’ll say nothing but it doesn’t happen for no reason. But that aside, I don’t condone that kind of behaviour at all and I’m guessing it’s a small minority of fans that shouldn’t be allowed to attend games. There’s no need for it but I’m sure Penrith supporters aren’t squeaky clean either in this regard nor supporters of other clubs in the game. And just for your information I wasn’t at the game. ????

2022-07-19T10:36:29+00:00

Panthers

Guest


I wasn’t here to bash the Tigers. However, you should be worried about your Tigers. More particularly your supporters. Leichhardt oval last year against the Panthers. No other supporters have ever behaved like them. You were probably one of them. Holier than thou , Tiger.

2022-07-19T10:20:30+00:00

David

Guest


Your dellusional. If Penrith don’t act like they did then there are no headlines. Own it and move on. They stuffed up and they got off lightly. Why don’t you just worry about your precious Panthers and let us real Tigers supporters worry about what goes on at our club.

2022-07-19T10:13:11+00:00

Panthers

Guest


It isn’t bashing? Of course it is ! You just got all of that from other stories about Penrith. Then put them together in two long sentences. As your own form of bashing the Panthers. Get real !

2022-07-19T10:02:20+00:00

Paul

Guest


David. I remember a game at Leichhardt Oval last season, between West’s & Penrith. The West’s crowd shouted at, swore at Penrith supporters, reserve players, coaching staff , the Penrith players on the field for the whole game. They also spat at them & the supporters. Threw cans at the Penrith supporters. The West’s players went on like a lot of idiots during that game too. Then everyone thought it was a big laugh after the game. Where was the scrutiny & punishment for the West’s club for all of that? I’ve been to Penrith lots of times & never had any of that . No disrespect there at all buddy! Was it alright, because it was West’s who did it?

2022-07-19T09:59:13+00:00

David

Guest


I didn’t prove your point at all. Just stated the facts to which your only way to defend it is to try and twist what I’m conveying as bashing.

2022-07-19T09:23:29+00:00

Panthers

Guest


Now there you go. You just did some bashing yourself. Carry on like clowns, disrespecting South’s, breaking the trophy, should have been scrutinised a lot more & got off lightly. I think I’ve heard all of those terrible atrocities before, as separate league headlines. You proved my point David. :thumbup:

2022-07-19T09:15:52+00:00

David

Guest


You obviously don’t watch much media on Rugby League. How do the Panthers get bashed? They have been the benchmark team for the last 3 years. Hard to criticise what they are doing, although the way they carry on like clowns after the grand final win, disrespecting Souths and breaking the trophy should have been scrutinised and condemned a hell of a lot more. They got off lightly, and the reason for that is because they are Penrith.

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