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Fair enough, it was closed and reopened. Reckon that wasn’t a bigger waste of time and resources than it just being sorted out straight away? The same people would have been re-interviewed, old evidence re-examined, likely requiring more trips for the IU from Sydney to the Gold Coast. This was a costly, time-wasting exercise.
Dave Fifita’s actions were a molehill, the club’s actions made it bigger than that.

It's not the crime, it's the cover-up: Why are the Titans getting off scot-free?

As for the Titans paying for the security system & it’s installation, is a no brainer, so they paid for it with Fifita to refund the cost to the Club. How is this different from a friend paying the initial costs & then being reimbursed by the culprit?
The club paid and then hoped it would all go away. Fifita only ended up paying for it because they got caught – that’s why it’s different.
As for addressing every other indiscretion by players at other clubs? I’ve only got two hands! But if you have a look through the archives, this is hardly the first time I’ve gone after an off-field issue on the basis the outcome and punishment was wonky.
And thanks for saying I’m better than this. I don’t know that I am, but it’s nice of you to say.

It's not the crime, it's the cover-up: Why are the Titans getting off scot-free?

Right, so you didn’t read the link: “The NRL Integrity Unit’s investigation is ongoing, but Fifita was expected to escape sanction given he was not charged by police. “However the NRL is now investigating a potential compensation payout…”
Regardless, four months is a bloody long time as well.

It's not the crime, it's the cover-up: Why are the Titans getting off scot-free?

The initial investigation was ongoing, then another layer was added in February when it was discovered the Titans had made the payment: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-gold-coast-titans-salary-cap-investigation-david-fifita-trespassing-incident/news-story/c7a6ef651ba205c03eefb26501e18348
If it was a cheap, easy process – a molehill – it wouldn’t have taken six months.

It's not the crime, it's the cover-up: Why are the Titans getting off scot-free?

Nathan Cleary didn’t face scrutiny from the MRC, who obviously decided it was an accident.
So when Cleary has pleaded guilty to kicking three people, as Munster has, we can talk “consistency”.

The new rule the NRL needs: Cameron Munster can't kick people

Cheap metres are earned by wingers and fullbacks, Klemmer is well ahead on the numbers that matter for a prop and his offloads were best in the game last year.
Stats matter. And for a prop, these are the ones that count – ask JFH.

Where's Klemmer and why Cleary: Two of my greatest gripes ahead of Origin

I’m saying that based on a sample size that’s more than fair, Nathan Cleary isn’t good at Origin footy. It’s pretty straightforward.
Thurston and Cronk got better, sure, but they also showed they belonged from the get go. It certainly wasn’t four series in before we saw anything half-decent from them.

Where's Klemmer and why Cleary: Two of my greatest gripes ahead of Origin

Did you read the numbers you typed? Like, do you see how NSW were ahead in all run metres bar G2 2018? Their post-contact are equal in terms of W-L (and NSW won G2 2019 by a mile). Qld only consistently won avg set distance, and averages don’t count for much if you make fewer total metres – they just suggest you didn’t have much ball.
So how are you getting NSW being “beaten” by those numbers?
As for Klemmer, one person’s stats are different to a pack or team’s – e.g. RTS is a genius whose numbers are consistently freakish but his club isn’t up to it. But you’d still pick Roger in just about any team.
Besides, the argument here is that Cleary has been behind a forward pack that got steam rolled. So is your point that he was brilliant behind a bad pack in 2018-19 but even his genius wasn’t enough to overcome the Qld dominance last year?
Pick your battles, dude. Maybe have a think about the numbers you use as ammo, too.

Where's Klemmer and why Cleary: Two of my greatest gripes ahead of Origin

Black and white is exactly how it’s supposed to be. Good enough or not. What rep player gets picked on the basis of “He’s not up to this standard, but…”
This year injury might be a reason to pick Cleary but after three years of him having never been dropped, it doesn’t really matter. He was always going to get selected.
He’s played more games than Keary, Walker and Reynolds put together. They all got dropped – so did Maloney, FYI – while we stuck with Cleary apparently because he was young.
Not the finished product? Needs time to learn? Will get better at this level? He’s had more of that than the other three.
As I said above, maybe it finally clicks this year but to date, it’s not a case of the jury being out or him being inexperienced, he’s just been crap at Origin.

Where's Klemmer and why Cleary: Two of my greatest gripes ahead of Origin

What unfinished article keeps getting picked? You’re either up to the task or you’re not in rep footy.

Where's Klemmer and why Cleary: Two of my greatest gripes ahead of Origin

In 2017 Klemmer was the leading metre-maker of any forward in the Origin series. In 2018 he was ranked only behind Boyd Cordner. But sure, he’s a myth at this level.
And even if that was the case, you’re saying performance at Origin level is the reason to drop Klemmer but performance for club is the reason to keep Cleary?
As for stats, I used post-contact, total runs and total metres made. Do you have another set of numbers to better assess a prop’s output?

Where's Klemmer and why Cleary: Two of my greatest gripes ahead of Origin

Being 23 isn’t an excuse when you’re heading into your fourth series, especially for the vice captain.

Where's Klemmer and why Cleary: Two of my greatest gripes ahead of Origin

He’s had three series as the halfback, to say he hasn’t had a decent forward pack to play behind is clearly not the case.
And not for nothing, Maloney got dropped for Game 1 of 2019, while Cleary kept his spot.

Where's Klemmer and why Cleary: Two of my greatest gripes ahead of Origin

C’mon mate, don’t put words in my mouth, especially since there has been chopping and changing in the halves, with James Maloney, Cody Walker and Luke Keary all having been picked and dropped following single losses.
Why didn’t Walker and Keary get to learn on the big stage by being there?

Where's Klemmer and why Cleary: Two of my greatest gripes ahead of Origin

Was the NSW pack getting steam rolled in 2018 and ’19?

Where's Klemmer and why Cleary: Two of my greatest gripes ahead of Origin

Headgear doesn’t stop concussion – in fact, it may actually increase the risk of injury.
https://theconversation.com/wearing-protective-headgear-in-rugby-may-increase-the-risk-of-serious-injury-new-research-84887

Phil Gould urges NRL fans to "read the research" on concussion. So I did...

Dr Edwards’ 2021 study references the 2019 work to which you’re referring, and Dr Ross Tucker is listed as a co-author on both papers.
No cherry-picking here mate, just using the most up-to-date info.

Phil Gould urges NRL fans to "read the research" on concussion. So I did...

Check out Dr Edwards’ research – working on changing tackle technique to make it safer.

Phil Gould urges NRL fans to "read the research" on concussion. So I did...

Not everyone is a premiership-winning superstar at the Roosters, but when you’re missing one-third of your top 30 squad, it’s all hands on deck.
FYI, the Roosters signed B-Moz last year as injury cover for Billy Smith, Freddy Lussick is preferred as hooker over Ben Marschke, and Drew Hutchison was picked over Lachlan Lam in Round 9. All three would likely have played against the Broncos if they were available.

Adam, the good news is the bad news: Knights fans aren't going anywhere

I don’t think anyone’s got that level of Machiavellian insight at the Knights.
AOB got his mate a 12-month gig. That’ll probably be all it is, but that’s also probably all it ever was.

Adam, the good news is the bad news: Knights fans aren't going anywhere

I prefer not to go looking for potential legal issues in which to entangle myself, putting my career and financial security at risk. Just because something can’t be proven in court doesn’t mean it can’t be tested and that whole process is extremely expensive.
You feel free to go into a very public place right now and shout these bold declarations into a microphone. But considering you’re going by an alias on a chat board…

Jarryd Hayne may belong in prison, but removing him from the NRL’s record books solves nothing

Fair question JGK.
I’d argue that Immortality can be stripped since “to earn the accolade he needs to have changed the game or had an impact beyond his career”. If the “impact beyond his career” is as negative as this scenario, there is fair argument that Immortality be rescinded.
However, the Dally M is “presented to the player deemed the competition’s Best & Fairest”. It’s an on-field award, as evidenced by the fact Nathan Cleary didn’t lose any points last season despite being suspended, because his wasn’t an on-field misdemeanour.

Jarryd Hayne may belong in prison, but removing him from the NRL’s record books solves nothing

I’m with V’landys on seeing the appeals process exhausted – the matter is, I believe, technically still before the courts, so making outright declarations is legally tricky.

Jarryd Hayne may belong in prison, but removing him from the NRL’s record books solves nothing

Fair enough on a bob each way – this is certainly a situation where I’m more than happy to hear the other side and will generally find merit in it.
But apples to apples with comparisons…
Weinstein was expelled from the Academy but still has his Oscar (FYI, companies he was in charge of received 81 but he personally only ever won one – and from just two nominations).
As for Einfeld and Brierley, their titles were rescinded because their crimes completely undermined what they received the recognition for in the first place.
You can’t remain a Knight of the Realm, so conferred for public service, after having pleaded guilty to possessing child abuse material. Nor can you be held as a Queen’s Council and Member of the Order of Australia if you have spent years perjuring yourself and perverting the course of justice.
Einfeld and Brierley had their honours removed (Brierley actually tendered his resignation as a Knight Bachelor) because the reasons for which they had been bestowed in the first place were either false or in breach.
Essentially, they were punished within the parameters.

Jarryd Hayne may belong in prison, but removing him from the NRL’s record books solves nothing

A blank canvas is: “Let’s have conferences. Who’s got ideas?”
This proposal ain’t blank. And to suggest seeing the obvious Sydney-centricity of it all as mountains out of molehills is exactly what’s wrong to begin with.

My club's not from Sydney: Sell me on NRL conferences

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