Coach's corner: Three areas where Papali'i is 'clear upgrade' on Cane, and clearing up the Campbell confusion

By Nicholas Bishop / Expert

Thanks once again for the big stimulus provided by forum thoughts and observations over the past week.

There were some grumblings from our cousins across the Tasman about the relative lack of articles on New Zealand rugby. So, let’s begin with what looms as a lively debate around the number 7 spot in the All Blacks, come the World Cup in 11 month’s time.

Jacko commented, “It’s starting to look like Dalton Papali’i is becoming comfortable in the role now and starting to look like the Super Rugby player we watch all year. Great to see.” Rongowhakaata chimed in: “Hopefully this performance is a marker for the future. We didn’t miss a beat with Sam Cane out. Loved the much more efficient clean-outs.”

KiwiHaydn pondered the essential question facing Ian Foster as the countdown to France 2023 begins: “Are Sam Cane’s days done? Papali’i is playing well and the head knocks just keep mounting for Sam.”

There remains a huge emotional investment in Cane as the anointed replacement to the great Sir Richie McCaw, both in the blue riband open-side flanker position and as the skipper of the side.

The problem is that he has been slowed a succession of serious injuries, not least to his neck towards the end of 2018. Medical opinion at the time was that Cane was only millimetres away from never playing a game of rugby again.

At his best, Cane is a truly dominant loose forward, especially in the tackle. But the raw stats suggest that he is no longer that player, despite showing some signs of improvement throughout The Rugby Championship when Shannon Frizell came into the starting back-row.

Dalton Papali’i. (Photo by Ryan Hiscott/Getty Images)

Cane came second to Josh van der Flier in every aspect in the July series against Ireland, and now he is coming under challenge from a bigger and more physical young pretender, in the shape of the Blues’ Papali’i. The Auckland man is three inches taller and at least five kilos heavier than Cane, and now he will have a run of tour games in which to prove his worth.

The stats from The Rugby Championship implied a shift in the balance of power, even though Papali’i played only 142 minutes to Cane’s 300. They also helped dispel some myths about the Aucklander’s work rate.

Another injury to the New Zealand captain has allowed Papali’i to state his case in no uncertain terms, starting with the match against Wales in Cardiff.

Papali’i had five carries 34 metres with four breaks or busts (2nd for metres gained by a forward, behind Ardie Savea), he completed 14 of 15 tackles (2nd behind Sam Whitelock), and he enjoyed a massive 77 ruck attendances (1st on the team), balanced 50/50 between attack and defence. He even threw in a breakdown pilfer and two lineout takes for good measure.

There are three areas where Papali’i is a clear upgrade. At 6’4 he can win some lineout ball at the front; he can double down on the pilfering threat at the breakdown in tandem with Ardie Savea; and he is a more potent and powerful presence in wide attack than the current skipper:

Those are two forwards he is brushing off in the tackle, second row Adam Beard and Welsh captain Justin Tipuric in the blue hat. New Zealand scored their first try of the game later in the same sequence.

On attack, it was noticeable how often Papali’i drove across the advantage line at clean-outs, forcing himself to the far side of the ruck.

As Lux Interior commented: “Ball-carrier closely supported, accurate cleanouts and the resulting quick ball did the trick, after 20 minutes he was pretty comfortable with them.”

This is not just collapsing the ruck straight down, it is actively moving the pile of bodies away from the ball on to the opposition side, changing the offside line.

The combination of Papali’i and Savea together in the back row gives the All Blacks a one-two punch on the deck they have lacked heretofore – Sam Cane did not have a pilfer at the breakdown in The Rugby Championship:

Papali’i probably deserved a penalty reward at the first tackle, then the pressure is reinforced by Savea at the very next ruck. He was still going strong as the clock turned red, winning a turnover which led to New Zealand’s final try of the match. If he can maintain that form on tour, he will be a very hard man to uproot at the World Cup, even for a legend of the New Zealand game.

Judging Will Skelton

Lots of questions also revolved around Will Skelton, strangely-but-aptly mentioned in the same breath as the new full-back from the Queensland Reds, Jock Campbell.

Even a historical naysayer, Savant, was impressed by the big man’s contribution: “Best I’ve seen Skelton play. I might have to concede that he might be of value.” Cam Fay added, “Plenty of positives. Skelton was notable. Campbell had a good game outside of the don’t argue.” Rugby-nutter opined, “Skelton showed why he needs to be in the mix for World Cup. Whilst Jock finally may give us specialist 15 player as alternative option to Tom Banks.”

The conjunction of a massive forward and a nimble back was the classic combination of bludgeon and rapier which created Australia’s second try of the game in Paris.

As Ozinsa noted, “Skelton had a big impact off the bench. He smashed a couple of mauls and carries powerfully as well as popping a lovely ball for Nella on the charge [in the build-up to the score].”

As I observed earlier in the week, when Skelton entered the fray with just under half an hour to go, French mauls suddenly began to go backwards, while Australian drives mysteriously started to make progress:

The tip of the spear is provided by the triangle of Jed Holloway (making the catch from lineout), Nick Frost sealing off to his left, and big Will supplying the engine to power the bodies forward behind them. Those three work well together as a sub-unit in the forwards.

With play shifting upfield towards the French goal-line, Skelton morphed into his ball-carrying, ruck-smashing role:

First there is sleight-of-hand in the subtle offload to Taniela Tupou, who also looked to be in the mood right from the first scrum of the game, where he fired the redoubtable Cyrille Baille right through the roof of the set-piece.

Then Skelton doubles down with a hard cleanout on his mate at La Rochelle, Greg Alldritt, who was France’s biggest on-ball threat on the day. It was not the only time those two locked horns at ruck time, and the big man came out well ahead in the contest. Power opens the way for speed, with Jock Campbell finishing the move on a classic outside arc to the right-hand edge of the field.

The ex-Waratah was very active on the carry in his cameo, taking the ball at first receiver on as many occasions (six) as the Wallabies nominal outside-half Bernard Foley did in the whole match:

Skelton takes the ball at first receiver on three out of four phases, carrying twice over the ad-line and passing behind once. Join up the power dots with Skelton and Bobby Valetini, and you have an easy, risk-free method of making progress up the field, and a simple Australian zig-zag draws the penalty at the end of the sequence.

Most of the confusion about Campbell’s place in the team derived from the 76th minute try by Damian Penaud which proved decisive.

Scott D said, “The final try [was] caused by a really poor tackle effort by [Tom] Wright, and a failure by the tackle defence to get there – so for my money six people should be having a look at themselves. That doesn’t infer that overall Wright and Campbell didn’t have good games. I thought Wright in particular was very good, and it’s great having an actual full-back in the team.”

Ozinsa responded, “Wright did his job – either tackle him if he goes straight or make him step and get an arm on him. The inside guy needs to make that tackle. He’s considered one of the world’s best finishers for a reason though.”

Ozinsa is much closer to the truth. Here is that spectacular final score again:

Now let’s take a look at it from the more revealing shot from behind the posts:

This is a defensive situation where Australia should be in the box-seat. When Penaud receives the ball, he is, in American Football parlance, already ‘bracketed’ by two defenders. This means that between them, Wright and Campbell can take away the two potential directions in which Penaud can move. Wright can block the side-line route, and it is up to Campbell to make a tackle if Penaud steps inside:

In the event, Wright does his part but the Queenslander is fended off too easily when the French right wing makes his choice to step inside. That is Campbell’s man, make no mistake about it.

Hhhmmmm made a point about the contrast with the effectiveness of Campbell’s play up until then, “Campbell had a really good game. He found grass with kicks, the first try was set up with his support play, he challenged the defensive line and made it uncomfortable for French. Commentators didn’t even mention Campbell’s involvement twice in the try.”

All of which may be correct, judged purely in its own terms. But the fact remains that the balance in the back three is wrong with those three footballers in it. Between them, Wright, Campbell and Andrew Kellaway missed on six of 20 tackle attempts they essayed.

Would Penaud have scored his try with Reece Hodge at fullback? I doubt it. Hodge’s defensive determination and communication skills would have converted that two-on-one into a win for the Wallabies. Would Hodge have been able to convert the second Australian try as well as Campbell? Maybe, maybe not.

But Australia probably cannot afford more than one of Kellaway, Wright and Campbell in their back three for the World Cup. Defence matters.

Thanks once again for all who made observations and comments across the week!

The Crowd Says:

2022-11-25T06:57:01+00:00

RobC

Roar Guru


Thanks Nick. Last weeks trio looked good

AUTHOR

2022-11-13T16:19:02+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Your attitudes to NH rugby are outdated Fox, as you can see from the game at Murrayfield which was played on 50/50 terms throughout. There were plenty of folk in Leinster who knew Ireland could, and would turn over the ABs before the July tour began FYI. In fact Leinster would have beaten them without any other provincial additions. Your biggest blind-spot is the idea that the ABs can play the game at speed better than Ireland - they can't. Ireland are more efficient ball-in-hand, and at sustained speed. If you played another three-match series against them, Ireland would still win it.

2022-11-13T13:38:38+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Yes we can all get it wrong sometimes but equally i said they would not win at Eden Park. But nobody would have predicted Ireland would have won that series in NZ. But that was the wake up call NZ needed and this is different coaching regime. Let’s not forget that some were saying this was Wales opportunity to beat NZ while I said no they won’t be good enough and ironically they did get run down with about 20 to go. Such is life. Scotland are a good side no question but they are not Ireland or France, the latter of whom are winning but hardly convincingly. The very early red card may have saved them against SA whose forwards out monstered the French in the contact IMO. The late red card for the French was not as telling as SA were already down a man as well. But they won and so good on them. Scotland have a very good 9 and 10 and a good pack but they don’t play at the speed the AB’s do and they have worked on that since the Irish series. I am sure we will get the usual NH extended pow-wows before set peices and ambling back halfway and those uncanny injuries that require a medic to come onto the field only to see them jump back up after their forwards have had rest to cope. Just sayin…Wales had one on the halfway while the AB’s waited at the 5 metre line. Just ridiculous now. I am expecting it to reach epidemic proportions when we play England. But I have soft spot for the Scots so i hope I am wrong and they play well and we get a real contest for 80 minutes. I thought they got badly stiffed in the QF against Australia in 2015

2022-11-13T13:15:20+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Yeah I'm hearing ya Nick believe me. The guts of it was that Foster is getting ready two centre pairing and teams in general for the WC. His first choice Reiko and Jordie and then Havilli with ALB and one or both of the other go to the bench for the game they don't start like Reiko is this weekend. The theory is that teams can be spent with three big playoff games in row leading to the final - and argued this plagued England last WC cup by the time they met SA and a couple of other mentions as well etc. So the idea is to have a second side that ( not entirely different of course - but a second side that is just as strong that can give the ist choice players bit of rest before the final etc. Not every player but some of the players. plus if there is an injury they can slot in reasonably seamlessly. This is why - according the writer - and he is close to the AB camp - there are the changes this week and why the bench is like it is also with Reiko ( (jordie starts at FB) Frizell etc are on the bench. He argues this is the planning taking place for the WC.

2022-11-13T13:01:41+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


oops equivalent

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2022-11-13T12:50:11+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Behind a paywall Fox, not paying for it! :laughing:

AUTHOR

2022-11-13T12:49:07+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Be mindful of previous comments that Ireland would run out of puff in the last 20 in July Fox and the ABs would run away with it! That did not turn out too well and it is and was a false expectation...

AUTHOR

2022-11-13T12:43:50+00:00

Nicholas Bishop

Expert


Players have to make their fortunes while they are still able, most will not have more than 3-4 year pro span Mo...

2022-11-13T09:55:34+00:00

Mo

Guest


Don’t make it a number make it a policy. We don’t want to pick any overseas guys. If you want to play then you really need to show us something. Still how many guys in the rugby world see 2 million for Tom banks and reckon they should get in on the action. David Havilli was a better 15. If banks gets a million for a season how can we expect to get Lucas or korobeiti back to Oz?

2022-11-13T09:44:23+00:00

Mo

Guest


Agree nicko. Lonegran is an excellent 7 albeit smaller than Michael hooper.

2022-11-13T09:41:10+00:00

Mo

Guest


Pk when I saw uru he lacked brute power. Rennie likes brute power. A different coach would love uru whom power preferences aside is better than leota.

2022-11-13T07:13:46+00:00

Temujin

Guest


Question marks over Campbell appear to have been vindicated. I think there is something there, but wonder whether he may not have been better served if he switched to 10 a couple of years ago. Personally can’t see him being first choice 15 by the world cup, despite the positives he brings to the team. Think Hodge should have a lock on the position unless Petaia or Mark N plays the house down at 15 next year.

2022-11-13T06:34:13+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


They did last time round Nick barr a try saver from Barrett but the AB’s were not in a great space coaching wise on that tour. I think the AB’s might put 40+ on them this time just as they did on Wales. The are starting to play like a team with a point to prove IMO. That’s some bench the AB’s will bring on as well.

2022-11-13T06:29:45+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Here is a interesting take on the centre pairings for the WC and the Backrow Nick and Fosters possible plans from one of NZ's better rugby journo's - well he is a Scotsman https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/all-blacks-v-scotland-gregor-paul-all-blacks-changes-hint-at-ian-fosters-rugby-world-cup-master-plan/7C7J3VQTQVACBFFLUAXKDLBVVY/

2022-11-13T05:51:53+00:00

The Strategist

Roar Rookie


Nawaqanitawase can't tackle. Was plain to see in the Australia A matches and they way he was laid on his a r s e against Italy confirmed it.

2022-11-13T02:48:30+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Not sure Nick I haven’t seen Iona! :laughing: Let’s hope you don’t get as bad as me with typos all we are all in trouble

2022-11-13T02:47:11+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


"Hasn’t shown any desire to do that so far in his career…" and yet as Highlander pointed out he did exactly that coming off the bench last week and played well so no that is not entirely accurate

2022-11-12T23:51:22+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


IYO is every comment on here DJ and every sport Journo and X- international players as well and they often get things wrong and sometimes right like all of us. But qualified or not - it is all just someones opinion.

2022-11-12T23:20:07+00:00

Fox

Roar Guru


Maybe Nick we shall see but Clerk won’t go and they want both Jordan and Reiko on the park and Foster has said before that he like the posibilities of a Reiko Jordan combo as Jordan and BB only two players who can stay close to him when Reiko goes jet shoes and even then…Not sure if you know Nick but Reiko was clocked over 40 metre this year in a AB training camp with a speed that is the equivilant of 9.66 for 100 metres and Jordan 9.9. Other AB’s made comments about it as well becuase they were blown away by Reiko’s acceleration. Is he the fastest in the world ( in rugby) over the 1st 40 metres? Because that is Olympic 100m final speed and some. Beauden was a close 3rd and the big surprise was Aron Smith 4th – so why the hell is he not running from the base more? Sadly, I reckon ALB will get another bad injury before the WC Nick he has had soooo many lately and Goodhue is not far behind him. But naturally, we shall see. Foster would have this in the back of his mind as well going forward – he would be a fool if he didn’t and the key is building combinations before the WC. Food for thought all round. ALB made two good tackles when he came on last time but also made two very bad defensive reads – one rushing too early from the line – and one cost us a try right on the line – at the edge of the ruck and the last defender he unfathomably moved to his right leaving the door wide open for Wales 9 to score from the base. Imagine the attacks on here from some is that was Reiko? But apparently if you are ALB you get a free pass. So even he has brain fades as you say. Don’t misread me Nick I like ALB and as a player just for me – Reiko is developing into a very dangerous 13 and he and Jordan are beginning to work really well together as a combination.

2022-11-12T13:15:08+00:00

Olly

Roar Rookie


I am saying Banks more from DR selection. We will see with Jock, not convinced he will.ever have a good enough defensive game for Test rugby as his Defence is not good enough for SR. Marky Mark is an interesting option but as my chat with NB regarding Marky and JP... defence becomes more important in a RWC.

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