Cold hard facts show Tendulkar is overrated

Sachin is the best

Well. Dravid is a good batsman but sachin is incomparable not only sachin is the greatest batsman he is a good bowler than dravid. He was a hope for Indian Cricket and World Cricket. Rahul Dravid has not got Bharat Ratna where as Sachin Tendulkar has got. Sachin is the greatest cricketer of all time.

according to one metrics of icc Inzamam and Dravid are equally all time best batsman due their impact and match winning performances. and these two are my choice as well not Lara not tendulker because a friend in need is friend indeed.

I agree with the suggestion that Sachin is an overrated player.

..but the argument is that he chickens out whenever the situation demands..like he did today...

It is to be noted that statistic can be used to support any argument. It is practically impossible to assess each and every inning played by batsman in comparison with each and every inning played by any other batsman. The pitch conditions, quality of the bowling, the weather conditions, the condition of the ball (new or old, hardness, prominence of the seam etc), the fielding standard, the umpiring standard, the position of the team in the game, all factors have material bearing on the concerned inning. So, like while comparing two super cars, it is always the subjective choice that overrules the specifications while choosing the winner; in a comparision between Lara, Tendulkar, Richards, Ponting or Calis, it is the subjective opinion that sways the outcome.

Sachin is the most overrated over-hyped cricketer in the world. His inability to win matches for India is a blot on his career. http://dipqa.com/view/dips/224/sachin-tendulkar-most-overrated

YES ! At last someone has discussed the bleeding obvious at length. He is not good enough against genuine fast bowling and that sort of leaves him on the lower rungs somwehre. I do not have anything against Sachin but the modern day sachin worshipper is just about the worst thing that has happened to cricket ! Gavaskar, Vishwanath, Amarnath ....now those were classy batsmen !

Its called being polite, politicly correct and tactful. Tendulkar would say the same thing of Ponting and Lara if asked.

This article is spot on! Tendulkar has been a media favourite and a popular candidate for eons. The fact is Tendulkar is a wonderful batsmen but sadly is and has been for two decades terribly overrated. People clearly confuse longevity with greatness. Yes there is an element of greatness about Tendulkar for being able to maintain a level for twenty years but this rather than anything else is why he is way ahead in both centries and runs. It has taken him no less time than any other highly regarded batsmen to achieve what he has and in lots of cases has achieved less in relation to tests played. Lets look at some basic facts, has played almost 180 tests yet has a highest score of 248* against bangladesh. In fact 5 or 6 of his centries have come against bangladesh. Took him over 160 tests to conjure up centries in more than 3 consecutive tests.Something every other batsman has done in half the amount of tests. Has never scored centries in each innings of a test. Something the other "great" batsmen have done in half the amount of tests. Has never scored 500 runs in a tests seriers despite playing almost 180 tests. Something every other great batsmen has done at least 3 times in less than 100 tests. The fact tendulkar plays at four gives him far more protection than many of the other great batsmen. He plays the majority of his tests on Indian soil, a place renowned for long, drawn out resultless matches and huge scores, the fact he plays the majority of his matches against weaker oppositions on weaker decks highlights even further the anomolies in Tendulkars statistics. Compared with Lara and Ponting he has achieved much less relative to matches played. The only conclusion to be drawn from Tendulkars time in test cricket is that he was the player with the greatest time span of any career and naturally because of this was able to score more runs and centries than anyone else. To say he is the greatest or second greatest highlights a bias towards him that an objective analysis would never allow.

You have stated the sub-continent but Lara averages 58.84 there, so I am puzzled. In fact according to regions this is his highest average so please be specific the next time.

I am quite curious to know -- how does one "prepare" a pitch where only *one* batsman, in this case, SRT, can score a century?

Good stuff for a debate but woah, a whole lot of cherry picking going on here eh? Written about this in my blog , and I'm just playing the devil's advocate here. Do check it out at : morethanjustagame.wordpress.com Just to show how things can be twisted and served : different strokes for differert folks : 1. Averages "Sangakarra, Kallis and Ponting all have better averages" Ponting’s average vs Sachin’s average as it stands now: 55.68 vs 55.57 0.1 runs difference. I’ll leave it to you to decide its significance. I believe the article was written in 2009, in the eve of Ponting’s tremendous run. Sachin started yet another 1 in the late stages of 2009 and has carried on to 2010. Learning: Let the race get over before you announce the winner. 2. Number of times Respective teams has Won the test and Ponting/Tendulkar did not have to come out to BAT in the 2nd innings: 9 vs 5! Learning: Openers finish the job more often than not during victories for Australia than even the openers AND the 1 down batsman for India! Now 9 and 5 are just small numbers you say. How can they be used to compare anything! Well if MoMs (16 and 13 for Ponting and Tendulkar respectively) can be used, why can’t this stat be used? 3. "Kallis and Ponting both have more man of the match awards then Tendulkar. Kallis, Ponting, Lara, Hayden and Sangakarra all receive man of the match awards at a greater strike rate than Tendulkar." Ah, logic, me likey. Throw in different names at convenient times. For convenience sake, let’s continue with Ponting vs Tendulkar . Why not segment the victories to suit one’s points? Not sure what I’m getting at? Well, here’s an example: Number of times Sachin’s won a MoM award at Australia : 3 Number of times Ponting has won a MoM award at India : 0 Does Sachin perform better against the best team in the world in their own backyard than Ponting did against the one of the top contenders in theirs? See how easy it is to look at stats the way one wants to? 4. Draws: 1. DRAWS: "Tendulkar has played an incredible 66 draws! That is almost 41% of the matches he has played have ended in a draw. Remove those matches from his average calculations and his average drops a massive 5 runs to less than 50. That is around a 10% boost from those draws. His average in drawn matches is 65. Interestingly, an analysis of Dravid produces a similar conclusion." Now, this one’s a tad silly. Match conditions and victories are often dependent on the the whole TEAM and not the players! Hell, it depends more on the bowlers than 1 batsmen! Is the writer faulting Sachin for not winning the game? Pretty insane! So let’s look at 1 more stat while we’re at it then bud! Average in a Lost or Drawn Match: Ponting: 45 , Tendulkar: 50 So how should this be interpreted? Ponting performs worse during his team’s defeats than Tendulkar does? Thus, I can summarize that even in draws and defeats, Tendulkar still plays his part better than Ponting does!! Or should we realize that victories and defeats in test matches (especially) are a funtion of the team’s (and especially) bowler’s performances? 5. " Note that Ponting and Sangakarra also play in the slightly less protected batting position of number 3." This one’s a gem. Batting at No.3 is less protected. Seriously? Again, this can be twisted to suit individual tastes. I can say that for a team like India in the late 80s and most of the 90s , a team which STRUGGLED to put a respectable opening pair , batting at No.4 or No.3 made no difference. Had Tendulkar batted at No. 3 and Ponting at No. 4 , the writer could have then said that by batting at No.3 , a higher position, Tendulkar had more chances to accumulate runs!! Hey, anything rolls , right? :-) Conclusions: 1.I think the intepretations, just like data and statistics , can be cherry-picked and skewed in any form we’d like. Let the careers complete and look at the whole body of work before calling someone over or under-rated. 2. PS: I do believe that there are many other players under-rated. 3. Let’s not forget that 10 other players, particularly the bowlers , contribute greatly to the team’s victory. 4. Sehwag eats boogies for dinner.

Wat now u boyz? How does a double ton in the History of Onedayer and 47 Ton in Test and 46 Tons in Oneday Sounds?

Test cricket has risen in importance in recent years especially since the decline in ODI importanc

problem with this blog-post has been that it considered only test match performances, which is out of sync with this age and times Sachin is tipped to cross 100 international(Test + ODI) hundreds by the end of this year. Only major hole in his ODI cv is a missing world-cup trophy. In ODIS, he now has FIVE 150+ scores 150+, 160+, 170+, 180+ and now 200*

Wonder how overrated is double hundred against SA. I can only hope the editor is following Sachin over the last 20 years. Very easy to relate longevity to performance. Not as easy to carry the pressure of consistency over this extended period. Stats can be skewed every which way. Let's consider ourselves lucky to have experienced these achievements from a class apart. Ponting and Kallis might have the same feelings. Comparison to Sachin should be honourable enough. Judging them to be better is what statisticians can at most conjure.

@Surfer The reason Zaheer Khan received a different penalty, even though he pleaded guilty too, was because he was reported under the old system Watson was reported under the new system http://www.cricdb.com/archive/international/news/detail.php?nid=2468 “…ICC new 'Code of Conduct' ..The new code streamlines the existing hearing process for minor offences and creates an incentive in those cases for players to plead guilty at an early stage, thus enabling less serious breaches to be processed without the need for a formal……”hearing”………….”.

http://cricket.yahoo.com/photos/Ponting-emerges-worst-behaved-Oz-player_12619952839665 This link is for all those aussies who questioned Sachin's truthfulness and his role in monkeygate... This is exactly what I meant by 'cleaning your backyard' On a happier note; Merry Xmas and a Happy new year

Yet, Tendulkar scores 1 run less away to his home average... And here is one more, Tendulkar has 24 centuries away, and just 19 at home... Ponting's home average is 60, and away average is 51, difference of 9 points... 9 points to 1 for tendulkar.... Ain't cricket great...?