Samoa is right about the draw, but...

By Spiro Zavos / Expert

Wales’ scrum-half Mike Phillips is tackled during the 2011 Rugby World Cup pool D Wales vs Samoa match (AAP Image/AFP, Philippe Lopez)

The Samoan centre Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu has made a perfectly valid point in his now-infamous twitter about the difference in the scheduling of matches for the Tier 1 and Tier 2 teams: “Please, all we ask is fairness. If they (Wales) get a week, give us a week. Simple.’

The principle of each team having the same number of days before matches is fair. But it is not simple. As the IRB points out, the television companies pay huge amounts of money for their rights to televise the Rugby World Cup tournament.

And they want the big games on the weekends and the lesser games during the week.

Samoa playing Namibia is, unfortunately, a lesser game in terms of interest for the television audience around the world.

Samoa has a vested interest in the Rugby World Cup tournament generating substantial amounts of money. They had to raise money to get the team to New Zealand for the tournament.

The IRB, also, gives the country substantial amounts of money for development in terms of coaches and tournaments for the national side to compete in.

This same argument applies to the other second-tier countries Namibia, Tonga, USA, and Russia, who have had to endure, like Samoa, a short turn-around for at least one of their matches.

None of these teams aside from Samoa could be deemed to be a serious contender for a finals position. But coming into the tournament Samoa definitely was that.

The team’s last match before the Rugby World Cup tournament saw Samoa monster the Wallabies at Sydney, an achievement that few teams can boast of.

Of course, the Rugby World Cup scheduling committee could not know of this outstanding result when they were creating the draw for the tournament.

As it is they tried to accomodate the interests of the television channels and Samoa in the way they scheduled the draw. Samoa played Namibia, the weakest team in the tournament and a side that is not actually in the top 20 teams in the world, on Wednesday September 14.

Then Samoa was scheduled to play Wales, a crucial match for both teams, on the following Sunday, September 18.

A further point to note here is that Namibia played its first match of the tournament on Saturday September 10. Then the side had to back up against a fresh Samoan team playing its first match four days later.

So Samoa was playing a side that had had a very short turn-around.

All things being considered, the scheduling has been about as even-handed (bearing in mind the television imperatives) as you could hope for.

One other point about the treatment of Samoa, too, is that the side has not been required to travel very far for its matches, in comparison with the Wallabies and All Blacks.

Aside from Rotorua and Hamilton, which are a very short air flight from Auckland, all their other matches are in the Auckland area.

Fuimaono-Sapolu is a qualified solicitor, as well as being a professional rugby player. He must have known the rest of his Twitter comments were over-the-top invective.

‘IRB ****heads, suspend me but give Samoa the same days off as Wales. It’s obvious the IRB are unjust. Wales got 7 days, we got 3. Unfair treatment, like slavery, like the holocaust, like apartheid. F*** u … Give Wales off and give Samoa a week! We would kill them.’

Comparing the scheduling of a rugby tournament to slavery, the Holocaust and apartheid? Such an over-reaction diminishes whatever force there is in Fuimaono-Sapulo’s case.

But there is an underlying chauvinistic tone to other Twitter comments which reflects, unfortunately, a great deal of ethnic triumphalism from some supporters of Samoa.

Many of these supporters have bad-mouthed New Zealand, Australia and England for stealing players who should be playing for Samoa. Apparently anyone with Samoan bloodlines are automatically Samoan, and really only eligible to play for Samoa.

It is interesting that the side with the most number of outsider players in Rugby World Cup 2011 is Samoa. 15 of its players were born in New Zealand of Samoan background.

The fullback Paul Williams is the son of the famous Bryan Williams, one of New Zealand’s greatest All Blacks, and now president of the New Zealand Rugby Union.

The whole issue of who is eligible to play for which country is a difficult one. Before the IRB brought in its generally sound rules about eligibility, players could play for more than one nation. The great Australian halfback Des Connor also represented New Zealand.

In the amateur days such transfer were rare. But in a professional era the easy transfer of a player from one country to another could set off bidding wars along the lines of what happens in the big football leagues.

Imagine how much money England or France would be prepared to pay for Dan Carter? Or the All Blacks for Will Genia?

The IRB rules are that once a player is selected for a national side that player cannot play for any other side. This is a sound rule. It stops poaching dead in its tracks.

Also, if a player plays rugby at a senior level in a country for which he is not eligible by birth or bloodline, he is eligible to play for that national side. The younger Tuilagi playing centre for England is a case in point.

England, incidentally, has a foreign-born contingent of eight players, the most of any of the Tier 1 countries.

Samoa, as I have noted, is also the fortunate beneficiary of this rule.

Rather than pointing the stick at Australia and New Zealand for ‘stealing’ its players, Samoa, Tonga and Fiji need to watch France and England which are embarking on a deliberate policy of recruiting youngsters from the Pacific Islands with a view of ensuring their eligibility to play for their ‘adopted’ national sides.

There has also been an argument from Samoa, Tonga and Fiji that if a player who has represented another country but has Islander bloodlines is coming to the end of his career, he should be eligible to play for his bloodline country.

To my mind, there is less to this argument than meets the eye. For this to notion to have any chance of working (and I don’t think there is much chance, anyway) it would have to be contained within the Samoa-Fiji-Tonga nexus, and (this is most important) could only be one way, from the big power to the smaller rugby power.

The complexities involved in all this would be formidable. The present system has the advantage of being a simple (but not simplistic) model.

I would argue that opening up the New Zealand talent pool to the Island powers would suit the interests of Samoa, Tonga and Fiji above anyone else.

There is, of course, a Wallaby twist to all of this. Radike Samo, born in Fiji, was selected for the Wallabies years ago in 2004, winning six caps.

He seemed to have reached the end of his career in Japan a few years ago.

Ewen McKenzie brought him back from Japan to play for the Queensland Reds to cover for James Horwill, and was dubbed “outstanding”.

Robbie Deans promoted him to the Wallabies, once again.

He played a storming match for the Wallabies at Brisbane where he scored one of the great individual Test tries. He is one of the old men of the 2011 Rugby World Cup tournament.

The point here is that it’s hard to tell when a player’s career is really ended.

The Crowd Says:

2011-09-23T03:19:41+00:00

zhenry

Guest


As pointed out by many on here giving all teams a reasonable turnaround is very achievable. 4 games have to be accommodated Fri Sat Sun, more than present schedule; of course it’s achievable, and without doubling up a time slot. Can even include Thurs and include one 5 day turnaround by a top tier team. The problem is the TV companies (lets say it; Murdoch) want absolutely everything their own way, they are not willing to compromise one bit. Got no time for the ‘great wise media guru’ beaming down from his butterfly pose on a street billboard. Apart from hoisting awful AU commentators on NZ's WC Sky he is pivotal to achieving a peaceful world by providing such accurate, uncontrived and complete information on which to base our decisions upon.

2011-09-23T01:44:04+00:00

soapit

Guest


flashy like scoring tries in s15 finals or setting them up in tri nation deciders?

2011-09-23T00:47:25+00:00

Bayxxx

Guest


Brick Lane: here here...I suspect that Rod the God Maqueen, is feverishly working away behind the scenes to ban scrummaging and rough stuff as we speak. -- Comment left via The Roar's iPhone app. Download The Roar's iPhone App in the App Store here.

2011-09-22T21:40:32+00:00

Bob Wandstraat

Guest


Connect the dots, gentlemen! And follow the money! The shonky scheduling happens at every World Cup and it is always Wales and Scotland who benefit from playing Island teams coming off three days rest. Who constructs the draw? Exactly! The backroom boyos and jocks, who have also blocked every attempt to change Regulation 8 on eligibility because they know they would never again make it to a WC quarter final, and would have to spend heaps on qualifying, probably without their top players who won’t get released by their clubs. The bottom line is that Fiji, Tonga and Samoa have only one vote, as Oceania, on Council, and until they get a vote each, nothing will change. Bob Wandstraat

2011-09-22T19:56:49+00:00

Terry Tavita

Roar Pro


why is it that's it's always pakeha who claim pacific islanders as their own?..I've never heard of a NZ Tongan claim a NZ Samoan as a Kiwi..it's just "Oh, he's a blo-ody Samoan.."

2011-09-22T15:47:10+00:00

jason8

Guest


Samoa shoulda played a B team for Namibia.....they knew they were gonna walk it. They brain farted tactically in the last 20mins of the Welsh game kicking it away needlessly and going for dumb options - such as trying to play it tight instead of using their strong runners to stretch the welsh defence. THEY BLEW IT.

2011-09-22T13:12:57+00:00

KF

Guest


Hi I believe that it is called Heineken Cup. What is wrong with football World Cup format - 8 groups of 4 teams each? First two teams go through - having then sudden death rounds of 16, QF, SF and GF. The winner still has to play 7 games. Kind regards KF

2011-09-22T13:07:19+00:00

KF

Guest


Hi And Beale. Although Vickerman (entered the game in 51st min), Higginbotham (59), Genia (56) and Beale (55) were on the bench. They did not enter the game before 55th minute when score was 29-13. Regards KF

2011-09-22T13:05:50+00:00

Derm

Roar Guru


So it's all Wales fault then. Your unflinching desire to find NH unions at fault on everything in your massive NH rugby conspiracy thinking, KPM, undermines you every time. If Steve Tew, the paragon of virtue, agenda-free, unbiased rugby administrator, said it - it must be true. The big NH countries - England and France - are regularly in the knockout finals stages of the RWC anyway - TV requirements notwithstanding. Ireland, Scotland or Wales advancing wouldn't change that much given their comparatively low populations.

2011-09-22T12:28:59+00:00

Tissot Time

Guest


Comon Brickie really? Deep down you really just want to be one of us colonials. Go on be tempted. Lets have a sing song then eh what ole boy? For inspite of all tempations To belong to other nations He remains an Englishman.......

2011-09-22T11:51:26+00:00

JCVD

Guest


Why not tell this TV companies to give teams a minimum of 5-6 days rest after one game??? Then they can select what games they want knowing these rules...

2011-09-22T11:17:48+00:00

bokka

Guest


Add 4 more teams and make every nation play twice a week? LOL how much time was allocated towards the thought process on this? No way is this a solution.

2011-09-22T11:14:39+00:00

Comet

Guest


One solution would be to add 4 more teams to the next tournament and make every team play twice a week. This would increase the overall audience and grow the game, which should be the goal of everyone involved. The quality is there now, with few lopsided score lines in the 2011 tournament.

2011-09-22T10:19:30+00:00

Hutchoman

Roar Pro


Given the pool structure of five teams, one must have a "bye" in each "round". That means 16 teams, 8 matches per round. Why can't 8 matches be scheduled over a weekend (a la many other sporting codes) that way the TV gets their way and the turnarounds are more or less equal for everyone? Perhaps that would be all too easy ...

2011-09-22T10:16:24+00:00

dave

Guest


Tally ho old chap. That ought to show the colonials, what! Tell me, are you wearing tweed right now?

2011-09-22T10:10:42+00:00

kiwidave

Guest


Not only that a significant number of the samoan team were born in NZ (about half by some counts).

2011-09-22T09:10:42+00:00

Brick Lane

Guest


Article written by a Kiwi who supports Australia. A team with a Kiwi talisman and a Kiwi manager. Spiro is just bitter he didn't have a rather wonderful youth getting paid tidy government grant money to play rugby across Europe drinking claret at half time whilst representing a top British university like I did. World class academic papers and rugby heaven. You can keep your tinpot southern hemisphere touch rugby insular little world. Great to work in for a few years, utterly depressing to be so far removed and ignorant of the real world. I suppose I'd hate the English too if I was Spiro. It's a world he can only dream about. The history and atmosphere of the six nations and all that jazz. The tri-nations games in aus are the blandest most passion free sporting experiences of my life. God bless being born in England. No one likes us but we don't care. Australia will be dumped out the RWC so they can concentrate on trying to change the rules to suit them.

2011-09-22T08:08:38+00:00

ChrisT

Roar Pro


So you accept it's a misleading statistic then moaman? Btw, Fourie simply wasn't selected (you may note England seem to have no problem picking injured players if they want to), Waldron appears to be tackle bag practice and hasn't been named and Flutey would replace either Hape or Tuilagi.

2011-09-22T06:29:31+00:00

Moaman

Guest


With Waldrom and Flutely waiting in the wings. And Fourie? were he not injured.

2011-09-22T05:59:02+00:00

bokka

Guest


(Am curious to know how many of the Wallaby side that day made it into the RWC 30 besides Rocky Elsom.) AAC, Ioane, Phipps, McCabe, Genia, McCalman, Higginbotham, Sharpe, Vickerman, Kepu, Alexander and Moore

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