Time's up for Elsom and Mumm in Australian rugby

By kingplaymaker / Roar Guru

The Wallabies’ recent woes have been the result of a lack of power in the forwards and to a lesser degree in the backs, as well as the broader issue of a drastic shortfall in quality.

Last year dazzling players such as Quade Cooper and Digby Ioane were left with opportunity to work their magic, such was the one-way bulldozing underway in front of them.

The great hope for the series against the Lions next year is that this season some monsters will appear in both departments to redress this problem.

In the backs the only promising player of any size is Joe Tomane, who has only played two games and so is still very much a hope rather than anything more. Players promised as stars such as Chris Feauai-Sautia, Jordan Rapana and UJ Seuteni are smaller, and in any case coincidentally injured almost before firing a shot, to the great anguish of everyone concerned with Australian rugby.

But the backline is not where the real difficulties lie, although any team that has to field Pat Mccabe and Anthony Faiingaa is a few yards short of enough pure talent.

At seven, wonderful back-up or even starting candidates have emerged in the form of Michael Hooper and Liam Gill, but these are not really what are so desperately required. Nor is a player like Ben Mowen, for all his virtues. He is not a beastly wrecking-ball.

Instead the Wallabies need towering Herculeses, 400-pound bench-pressing bulls who can hammer back the opposition in both attack and defence. Potential in this department has proved elusive in Australian rugby, doubtless because rugby league has strutted off with all the biggest talent at junior level.

(Note, Lopeti Timani and Joe Tomane are league recruits, or rather re-recruits, in that their original game was rugby and they were plucked from its bosom by league scouts.)

The three saviours who may or may not be materialising are the Timani brothers at the Waratahs, and Ita Vaea at the Brumbies. There could be long arguments over the nature and extent of Vaea’s talent, but it seems clear that Sitaleki and Lopeti Timani are at least worth further viewing.

The Wallabies indeed already have two outstanding powerhouse forwards in Wycliff Palu and Tatafu-Polota-Nau, but these players are rarely fit. In order for the pack to be competitive they only need two players out of those so far mentioned.

If the two Timanis and Vaea are fully developed by the end of this Super season, so that they could then play a full international season if successful, then Australia would be in good shape to take on the Lions.

Except there is an obstacle, or rather an individual representing a culture that lets down its talent at every stage. Michael Foley has two ageing players long past their prime in Dean Mumm and Rocky Elsom, and two up-and-coming stars in the Timani brothers.

A coach outside the Waratahs and possibly Australia would jettison the first two and introduce the Timanis as quickly as possible, and indeed it is Foley’s failure to do this that could well have cost the Waratahs their finals place already.

Moreover, he should stop thinking that Lopeti Timani is only a number 8 who can replace Palu earlier than the latter deserves, and move him to six in order to create a back row of vast power.

But how could he drop two highly experienced players, strong, committed leaders, with scores of Wallaby caps? Everywhere in Australia the same pattern is at work. Age, experience and personality are put far ahead of talent to the detriment and indeed destruction of the Super and national teams’ hopes.

Indeed, it should be asked, given New South Wales’ position as the state producing 41 percent of the country’s players, are there better backs than Adam Ashley-Cooper who aren’t allowed in the squad because they aren’t as established as he is? Are such players possibly lost to Australian rugby altogether? Are there young talents, superior to Dean Mumm, that fail to make the cut because of his seniority and lofty presence?

For the immediate future, one thing is clear: any players who hope to take part in the Lions series will probably have to appear this year in order to be experienced enough in international rugby for next year.

That means the lies of Chris Feauai-Sautia, Jordan Rapana, UJ Seuteni, Ita Vaea and especially the Timanis must be introduced to the highest level this year if they are going to be prepared. Any new contenders introduced into the system next season may well be too late.

The Timanis seem to be the main hope. But will Michael Foley be brave enough to forsake his life-long attachment to old friend Rocky Elsom and grizzled warrior Dean Mumm?

The Crowd Says:

2012-04-13T20:53:16+00:00

Bakkies

Guest


The Super Rugby academy players are centrally based and the provinces no longer have their own academies

2012-04-13T20:49:10+00:00

Bakkies

Guest


Palmer was recovering from an illness. He didn't play in the Sharks match

2012-04-13T09:56:26+00:00

Jiggles

Roar Guru


James look at TPNs work rate this year, he has been horrifically lazy. Right now Charles is marginally the second best hooker in Australia with Hanson behind. Moore is putting in one of his best seasons ever.

2012-04-13T02:25:45+00:00

sittingbison

Guest


im not laughing, they are both outstanding this year, the Force scrum has really improved and matched everything thrown at it so far

2012-04-13T02:14:21+00:00

Red Kev

Guest


I disagree but I can see your point, as long as the big guys are pushing to be best in their spot I don't have a problem selecting the larger guy. But of the big men only Palu is really playing at that level at the moment (as I said above to jameswm TPN would be struggling to be listed as Hooker #3 at the moment in Australia).

2012-04-13T02:11:19+00:00

Red Kev

Guest


No you're clearly just being one-eyed. TPN has pulled off some nice runs and hits but he has been (very) lazy in tight and not within cooee of "devastating". Moore, Hanson and Charles have all been throwing far better, working harder in rucks and mauls and as astounding as it is scrumming just as well.

AUTHOR

2012-04-13T00:20:02+00:00

kingplaymaker

Roar Guru


Lorry of course teams can keep players on far too long but I think the case in the Waratahs is extreme and very different from say the Reds.

AUTHOR

2012-04-13T00:15:43+00:00

kingplaymaker

Roar Guru


jameswm a monster for 18. It seems the NRL puts very young players successfully into its teams more than rugby but in this case they have done it suprisingly early. Dean Mumm beware!

2012-04-12T23:52:08+00:00

Lorry

Guest


kingplaymaker, I feel that EVERY conservatism is 'of the wrong kind' hahaha.... Good point made by Brett. All international teams do that (keep older players hanging on) - just look at club and national football/soccer teams, for god's sake. They hold onto players for YEARS too long!!! Aussie Rules has it's played in 1 country doesn't have to do that... They can retire people mid-season!

2012-04-12T23:32:40+00:00

jameswm

Guest


By the way we have to remember that L Timani is officially only 18. That's right, 18. No need to rush him.

2012-04-12T23:26:49+00:00

jameswm

Guest


You're kidding. TPN in stages has been devastating. At other times, just good. None of the other three can offer close to what TPN does at his best. You're being selective in your assessment and ignoring the positives.

2012-04-12T20:11:00+00:00

Uncle Eric

Guest


What, ARU spend money on an academy!!! Heaven forbid, what about JON's salary???

2012-04-12T20:07:56+00:00

Uncle Eric

Guest


'So why should Mumm stay in the team? What does he offer, exactly?' Line out option, he's not much good for anything else.

2012-04-12T20:00:11+00:00

Uncle Eric

Guest


Isn't Mumm's old man somewhere in the ARU upper echelons?

AUTHOR

2012-04-12T18:20:12+00:00

kingplaymaker

Roar Guru


Fetus the problem is it's hard to see much of new players until they have a decent run which looks to be impossible at the moment.

AUTHOR

2012-04-12T18:18:31+00:00

kingplaymaker

Roar Guru


Spot-on Jagman, and the Waratahs seem the worst offenders. As another article says at least with more teams these youngsters might have a chance of getting through, but it is the cultural issue that is the most worrying.

AUTHOR

2012-04-12T17:59:04+00:00

kingplaymaker

Roar Guru


RK sorry for the slow reply. I don't believe in size for its own sake, but no modern team has been regularly successful without some powerful players. they don't all need to be powerful, but there is normally at least one bull in the backs and one or two in the forwards. It seems that's the way it's going. There are room for very many super-skilled but less physical players, but a side with only such players will rarely dominate as it will simply be bullied back by bigger opposition.

AUTHOR

2012-04-12T17:53:29+00:00

kingplaymaker

Roar Guru


It's terrifying!

2012-04-12T15:37:44+00:00

Ben S

Roar Guru


I'm confused? How is Elsom keeping anybody out of the starting line up?

2012-04-12T15:28:32+00:00

Ben S

Roar Guru


And who runs the lineouts and restarts in that pack?

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