Uncertainty preventing the creation of rugby's third tier

By sheek / Roar Guru

It would seem that Australian rugby shares more than a few things in common with debate surrounding whether Australia should become a republic.

Back on 6 November 1999, on the same day that the Wallabies would win the Rugby World Cup, a referendum was held to see if Australians were willing to accept a particular model of a republic.

Ironically and despite a majority of Australians wanting a republic, the referendum was defeated by nearly 55% to 45%.

Had the referendum merely asked Australians if they wished to become a republic, the referendum would have most likely been in the affirmative. The finer details could have been thrashed out later.

But the referendum only offered one option of a republic, which was not liked and was unsurprisingly rejected.

A majority of Australians were unwilling to accept a republic in which the president was appointed by two-thirds of parliament. How the president should be elected, or whether executive power should lie with the prime minister or president, are other issues that remains unresolved.

And so it is with rugby supporters.

While a majority of Australian rugby supporters believe in principle that we should have a third tier comp, or my preferred choice of words, a national domestic comp, deep philosophical divisions continue to stymie the debate as to which type of comp, let’s call it the Australian Rugby Championship (ARC), is preferred.

Just in the past few weeks, two options have been presented to the public for debate. The first was initiated by the Rugby Union Players Association (RUPA) and was intended to mimic the celebrated U.S. College sporting system, providing an U/23 competition based around nine major universities.

The RUPA proposal was quickly followed by a Heineken Cup style format which is the joint-brainchild of former Wallabies flankers Simon Poidevin and Chris Roche. Poidevin and Roche believe that the premier rugby clubs are the lifeblood and future of Australian rugby and should be supported.

Consequently, their idea is for the best performed clubs each year from each of Sydney’s Shute Shield, Brisbane’s Hospitals Cup and Canberra’s John Dent Cup to compete in an end of season tournament.

Over at sister blogsite Green And Gold Rugby, two proposals were put forward last year. Both proposals put commendable detail into their models, one of which envisioned multi division playoffs in both Sydney and Brisbane.

These proposals, along with the one from Poidevin and Roche, are similar in structure in that they mostly involve a Heineken Cup-style playoff series.

Another throwing his hat into the ring with a third tier comp proposal is wealthy businessman Warren Livingstone, the owner of Sydney suburban club Balmain. Livingstone suggested an eight-team Sydney based comp, with clubs throwing money in to join.

The disappointing thing common to each of these proposals is a certain sense of vested interest. Modelling a comp to develop and fine tune future Wallabies ought to be the purpose of a national domestic comp.

Yet most of these proposals are aimed at preserving premier rugby clubs in Sydney and Brisbane, which doesn’t necessarily provide prospective Wallabies with a tough, finishing school, type of experience.

The kind of comp that we see with South Africa’s Currie Cup or New Zealand’s NPC.

Former ARU chief executive Gary Flowers had it right when he insisted on the ARC model of 2007. The concept was sound but unfortunately the ARC was eventually compromised by a number of structural flaws.

You don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Learn from the mistakes of the 2007 ARC and make sure its successor is better.

Flowers drew his inspiration from the fledging A-League. Unlike the AFL, which grew out of the Melbourne-centric VFL, or the NRL which grew out of the Sydney-centric NSWRL, Australian rugby union domination is more or less evenly divided between Sydney and Brisbane.

Thus adopting either an AFL or NRL model is obviously impractical. But the A-League provides the path ahead for the ARC.

Those opponents who disparagingly refer to the “artificial franchise” clubs of the ARC have conveniently forgotten several things.

Melbourne Rebels began life as a 2007 ARC club and has quickly become an accepted member of the Australian rugby landscape.

Another 2007 ARC club, Tuggeranong Vikings, continue to dominate Canberra rugby. Sydney Fleet drew its colours from the Sydney rep team that existed from 1965 until recently.

Also, when AFL club GWS Giants was created in 2011, it adopted orange as one of its principal colours. Orange had also been one of the colours of 2007 ARC club Western Sydney Rams.

Finally, the Sydney Fleet, Western Sydney Rams, Melbourne Rebels and Perth Spirit all drew their nicknames from either or both of past Australian history and tradition.

There is no better example of a start-up club drawing on history and tradition than the A-League club Western Sydney Wanderers. The new club named themselves after one of the first two clubs to play soccer in Australia.

Since then, the Wanderers have taken the A-League by storm, creating immediately one of the most visible, fanatical and passionate fan-bases in Australian sport.

So much for “artificial franchises” lacking a connection with their fan-base. That argument is now unsustainable.

George Lucas is much smarter and more imaginative than most of us humans. This is how he saw things in his Star Wars saga:

“Every generation has a legend. Every journey has a first step. Every saga has a beginning.”

Yet another to suggest a third tier comp is South African born ex-Wallaby Clyde Rathbone. His article on The Roar on why Australia needs a third tier competition is incredibly insightful and well worth the read.

Rathbone tells of his childhood in South Africa following the Currie Cup.

Then later when he played club rugby with Sydney’s Eastern Suburbs, he noted the huge gulf between Test and club rugby, and between strong clubs and weak clubs.

Rathbone argues the gulf from Wallabies to Super Rugby to premier rugby is so severe in this country, a third tier comp is essential.

This then is the crux of any future national domestic comp. The number of teams must be relatively small and consistent, funnelling talent into 8-10 more or less evenly matched clubs, providing tough, quality rugby every weekend.

This is something that the premier rugby clubs of Sydney and Brisbane, and even Canberra, are unable to provide, despite all the best intentions. Premier rugby still has a role to play, but not as the so called the third tier comp.

It is clear to me Australia won’t become a republic until we have the collective maturity to determine exactly the right type of structure we wish our republic to comprise.

By an extension of the same argument, Australian rugby won’t have a national domestic comp until we have the collective maturity to determine the right type of structure we wish our national comp to comprise.

In both situations, vested interest groups have no role, nor should they have any role, to play.

The Crowd Says:

AUTHOR

2013-02-05T20:49:44+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Jason - you stalking me.....?

2013-02-05T11:09:21+00:00

Crazy Horse

Guest


Rug y WA had a good team and were very dissapointed when the competion was scuttled. The simple formula is to give each state union one licence with two or three for Nsw and Qld and let the state unions decide for themselves how they select players. The only restrictions should be that anyone with a Wallabies contract is ineligble and there must be at least five non professional or semi professional players in the starting 15 of each side.

2013-02-05T10:51:14+00:00

Bakkies

Guest


The Raiders mascot is a Viking too.

2013-02-05T10:46:29+00:00

Bakkies

Guest


I say the Vikings would have alienated a lot of non Tuggeranong supporters in the ACT. Larkham listed his club as Wests (ACT) rather then the Canberra Vikings.

2013-02-05T08:26:57+00:00

p.Tah

Guest


The Vikings were formed in the early 70s, almost decade before the Raiders came into existence. Although it's been disputed by some league followers, I am certain the Raiders 'borrowed' the viking symbol from Tuggeranong. A Viking is hardly a symbol associated with Canberra, it's too much of a coincidence that two rugby teams in a small area have that symbol.

2013-02-05T04:31:05+00:00

AndyS

Guest


My concern would be more that, like schools rugby, the focus should be more on education rather than sport. But on the question of access, while I'd agree that access to university has generally improved, it is stil relative. Read these: http://www.universitiesaustralia.edu.au/resources/271/290 http://www.unimelb.edu.au/speeches/transcripts/davis20070403.doc Headlines are that "people from low SES backgrounds are significantly under-represented in Australian higher education" "Attendance rates vary markedly between socio-economic groups, and this persists even as absolute participation rises", and "...in a community that no longer likes to talk about social class, the uncomfortable fact remains that the least likely to study at university are the poor and disadvantaged" Those are not distinctions that we should be perpetuating within our sport, particuarly if we are interested in getting any support from government.

2013-02-05T03:50:59+00:00

Jason

Guest


Seriously, you would really label university students as privileged, connected, rich and spoilt? Any credibility you had was completely lost in that statement.

2013-02-05T03:47:41+00:00

Jason

Guest


None of them worked clearly, nicknames should be organic, develop over time. Not forced down the throat of potential supporters, that's the best way to alienate people.

AUTHOR

2013-02-05T03:22:16+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Hi Melon, Yeah, I was just trying to approach an old issue from a different angle. I don't think it's that difficult to work out. Sport in most countries works on the pyramid structure -starting with a huge junior base (except for rugby!) then narrowing (naturally) until you reach the national team. To have playoffs for premier rugby clubs or a universities or academy based comp merely perpetuates the existence of current lower levels or is a wish list for vested interests. What is required between club rugby & the Wallabies is a narrow yet sizable bridge where talent is funneled & fine-tuned before the players become Wallabies. It also provides a useful professional player base & therefore a career path. South Africa's rugby Currie Cup, NZ's rugby NPC, Australia's cricket Sheffield Shield all achieved this before the best players were taken out of the system.

2013-02-05T02:19:48+00:00

kingplaymaker

Roar Guru


sheek I think the obstacle is actually that advertisement under the first article on the right, which I must say I think could be moved elsewhere. I had my own issues with my article being read yesterday because of the Superbowl, a mistake I made in a previous year!

AUTHOR

2013-02-05T02:03:15+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


I went to Uni, but once I realised it wasn't for me, I dropped out. I'm not bitter, but relieved. Anyway, you & I aren't ever going to agree on this, so I won't argue the point with you anymore.

2013-02-05T01:45:09+00:00

Who Needs Melon

Guest


After reading this and the other article on the 3rd tier today on the Roar, one thing is clear: You are absolutely spot on in your likening this to the debate over Australia being a republic. I think we're a bit like the frog in the slowly boiling pot at the moment. Whilst things only very slowly get worse, people can continue to claim it ain't broke and nobody is going to fix it. I can envisage some major dispute at SANZAR level causing the whole Super rugby thing to fall apart. And this leading to some beaut new domestic rugby comp being set up. But barring that, I just can't see any administrator ever having the balls to make a significant change. Whatever option you pick, you'll have so many opposed to it and undermining it. And it would be all too easy to be accused of 'repeating the ARC mistake'. And with a banker type guy at the helm, he's just going to look at the numbers. They won't work out and so he won't go there. A horrible problem of the modern age in my opinion: We don't have the sort of visionaries who built bridges, railways, opera houses, etc. in the past and said 'damn the expense'. It's all short term thinking now. *sigh* [Is my reverse psychology type goading too obvious to have any impact on decision makers do you think?] :)

2013-02-05T01:12:59+00:00

Rough Conduct

Guest


Since when are universities for the rich and privileged? What century are you living in? Are teachers and nurses rich and privileged? This idea of university exclusivity is way outdated, tertiary education is more accessible and more flexible than it has ever been in Australia’s history. Do you think all NBA and NFL players are from the private school elite because they went to university? This is just tall poppy syndrome, people who didn’t get to go to university when they were young are still bitter about it, have to cut everyone else down, label them as ‘privileged’. What rubbish.

AUTHOR

2013-02-05T00:56:28+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Rough Conduct, Of course the universities/academies option is best - helps keep rugby as a pastime for the privileged, connected, rich & spoilt. A niche sport, just like polo. Oh, we'll throw in the odd tradie & labourer here & there just to give the impression of inclusiveness, but what we really want is to keep it for the rich & privileged. ;-)

AUTHOR

2013-02-05T00:52:43+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Thanks Rickety, But I'm struggling for oxygen being stuck so far down the list of posts! ;-)

2013-02-05T00:19:02+00:00

Johnno

Guest


Either way, it seems the ARU think they can make more money off super rugby. But it always surprises me, when away games in South Africa are not watched enough. But the revenue pot, is shared 3-way , so Aust/NZ make money for free of South African local derbies,. ARC would be so much better, I am so bored of STH African super rugby sides in our domestic comp.

2013-02-05T00:03:34+00:00

rough conduct

Guest


The ARC is lazy map pinning, designed to cause least offence. Long may it remain dead, buried, cremated.

2013-02-04T21:22:10+00:00

Rickety Knees

Roar Guru


Great post Sheek!

AUTHOR

2013-02-04T21:14:31+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Bakkies, I also thought Kookaburras was great, but Brumbies has taken the 'brand' to another level. I still believe super rugby should be HC-style, with clubs qualifying via national domestic comps. I would have the following in Australia: ARC (professional division like ITMC/NPC) Brisbane Reds Canberra Brumbies East Sydney Fleet Melbourne Rebels Newcastle Wildfires Perth Force Sydney Waratahs West Sydney Rams ARS (amateur division like NZ Heartlands Championship) Adelaide Black Falcons Darwin Mosquitoes NSW Country Cockatoos Qld Country Heelers ACT Country (Southern Inland) Kookaburras Tasmania Jack Jumpers Vic Country Axemen WA Country Numbats

AUTHOR

2013-02-04T21:07:03+00:00

sheek

Roar Guru


Billy Bob, if you're creating an ARC/A-League concept, then choice of names is critical. Western Sydney Wanderers being the outstanding example. In the 2007 ARC model, Fleet, Rams, Rebels, Rays & Spirit made an immediate positive impact.

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