Emotional Webber dirty at Vettel after Red Bull fiasco

unleash the Demons within. Webber drives like his mad every race in pursuit of revenge . Karma prevails and Webber wins the championship. That would be the ultimate karma !!! I hope god just goes TINGGGGG and Webber flies,,, Sebastian just cant stay on the track,,,Karma. FLY WEBBER FLY...Needs horns on his helmet.

Exactly right Observer? Vettel ambushed his sister car pure and simple. Webber already had a 5 second lead ON MERIT, he had a much better strategy and read the conditions much better than Vettel and timed his tyre stops to perfection. The only reason Vettel was even able to close that gap was due to Webber conserving his car, according to the telemetry his KERS was on FULL in overtaking mode when he was dicing with Webber and Webber was in cruise mode. Not that difficult to pass a driver with one hand tied behind his back. Whatever you think of Webber he was a worthy winner of the Malaysian GP. Vettel is no Fernando Alonso, there is no respect for a petulant spoilt and selfish prima donna that surfaced so publically on Sunday. The drivel coming out of his mouth was even more appaling. He's kicked an own goal, an absolute howler, he's trashed his already rocky reputation for the rest of his career. To all of those that think Vettel did the right thing I feel sorry for you, it was plainly unethical. I'd rather have a Villeneuve than a Pironi, an Alonso rather than a Vettel or Schumacher

You do realize that the only reason Vettel got the 4.5 secs to Mark wasn't because of a slow out-lap, but due to Mark turning his engine down like he was asked.

The incident where Vettel took Webber out happened behind a Safety Car at Fuji in 2007. It was monsoonal conditions. Webber was the second car behind the safety car with i think a lapped car in front of him. Was in the box seat for his and Red Bulls maiden victory with only a few laps to go when Vettel came from nowhere and slammed into the back of him taking them both out. On board footage here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHDTefmirJo

No it was said by flavio briattorre to the press before webber joined red bull. And vettel manages himself What race are you referring to re: vettel hitting webber and keeping red bull from scoring their first victory? It's all b.s. because what I see is mark really believes he can win the championship , and was upset at losing those points. Understandable. However, rather than being petulant he should put vettel in his place and get better starts and more poles. I like mark I think he's a good racer but there can only be one best among the best. maybe another driver against vettel in the same car ie :Raikkonen Alonso Hamilton would show vettel s strength or weakness . I don't think it's webber who will do that . I think he's lost the ability to really push and fight to win . Or maybe marks nature is to be fair and nice, which is why he's finishing poorly just like those other nice and fair drivers

Vettel was greedy and has caused an uncomfortable situation for the Redbull team. He acted like a naughty and undiciplined, spoilt child - not a professional sportsman . Grow up Sebastian.

No, possibly you are thinking of what Seb's manager said at the start of the year. Yes Toro Rosso did, though Seb did crash into the back of Marks car preventing him from likely picking up Redbulls first win. Though your point doesnt make much sense given the Redbull and Toro Rosso cars shared designs back then and were only midfield cars. Now Redbull has been consistently best and Toro Rosso is still midfield. Which is most likely down to Adrian Newey and the design team. Though Seb did get the best out of an average car. I think you are missing the point. If Seb wants to race after being told not to he should at least have the decency to tell Mark. Seb's pass was a good one, though he may not have been close enough if Mark had known they were racing. All what is bs? Not sure. Not sure what you mean. Again you are being too oblique. Making life difficult for someone passing you is part of the job. So yes it was good racing by both of them, neither crashed and it was good entertainment. Mark was on the orange, Seb on the green IIRC. Or possibly Mark turned his engine back down again. Possibly, it seems like Mark isn't as good as he used to be on the Bridgestones he just doesnt seem to have adapted. Where Seb is able to get more out of them with less wear. Yes Mark is competitive, but he hasn't been as good as Seb over the last several years. He really seems to only push hard enough when really agro, so maybe next race will be good one for him. But over the year it seems unlikely he will beat Seb to the championship.

Perception is that Vettel is a much better driver than Webber when push comes to shove Red Bull will stick by Vettel.

I have a couple of opinions on the matter. Firstly, the use of "Multi 21". While it supposedly is an engine map, could it also be code for a multiple formation finish, car #2 (Mark) in front of car #1. It's a fairly plausible reason to use code I suppose. Secondly, Horner is backed into a really tight corner. He, realistically, has two choices, either give Seb a slap on the wrist or ban him for one race. Considering China is the next race, I can see Horner finally laying down the law and saying to Seb 'mate, enough's enough, it isn't your team, so you can sit out this race to think about it'. And that is all possible, because China isn't a Red Bull type of track, so less points would be lost in doing so. But can you really ban your main marketing tool or even one race?

Very well said @observer too many people have been "picking & choosing" info to suit their arguments but fail to understand the context of the situation.

I thought the point of a car race is to try to win. Why I don't watch formula 1.

"If Vettel had passed any other driver in the manner he did, we would have been applauding him for an incredible and ballsy bit of driving." If it had been any other driver they would NOT have been following orders to turn down their engine and go easy on the tyres, they would NOT have given up their approx. 5 sec lead and Vettel would NOT have been in any position whatsoever to overtake. What part of this obvious fact do you irrational Vettel defenders not understand? If Webber had defied team orders Vettel would have been no where near him. And B.A Sports scenario is invalid - Webber follows team orders and would not have done the same had the positions been reversed. Silverstone 2011 is also invalid, Mark didn't disobey team orders and he didn't pass Vettel. No people this isn't 'fixing' or anti-competitive, its like AFL teams resting players and Tour Le France teams gunning for one rider to win the race, rather than competing against him stage to stage, its called strategy. F1 is a team sport - it is not tennis. Winning the season requires strategy, something which obviously is above some of your heads. You're essentially whining that tactical victories are not prioritised over strategic victory - utterly foolish.

does anyone remember what marks manager said about mark as a driver? it wasn't complimentary and what was happening at red bull when coulthard and webber were racing, did either of them win races? and did toro rosso team win a race before the parent team even though the parent had more seasoned drivers. all this is a little b.s. who has the fire in their belly more, who had to dig deeper to be competitive. whose careers are better off because of new talent is someone riding on the coattails of another and could they have disobeyed orders too how about when mark was being passed and pushing vettel toward the wall wasnt that racing what happened to marks pace after that mark talks about not pushing the limits of f1 anymore only going 8/10ths maybe thats his problem and maybe he is trying to make that everybodys problem is mark competitive really?

You are wrong. The first pit stop was no favour to Mark. Vettel was asked if he wants dry tyres and Vettel made a mistake when answered positively to this. I find it ridiculous how Vettel fans try everything to back Vettel. Unfortunately there is only 1 truth - Vettel robbed his own team. Vettel didn't care about his team. Vettel is a good driver, but an awful team member.

Precisely - nice how a lot of the commenters here conveniently forget how Webber did exactly the same thing by attacking Vettel in defiance of team orders at Silverstone in 2011. That he was unsuccessful is the only reason we didn't hear more of it. If Vettel had passed any other driver in the manner he did, we would have been applauding him for an incredible and ballsy bit of driving. Fact is, Webber is a competitor for Vettel just as every other driver on the grid is. You can criticise the aggressive nature of drivers like Senna, Schumacher and Vettel, who have all at times pushed the limits, but the fact is, their attitude is a big part of the reason that all were the pre-eminent drivers of their respective generations.

I bet if the roles were reversed, i.e, Webber had run past Vettel, more than half the above people ripping Vettel would be saying, "you race to the end" bla bla bla. Its just cause he is an aussie you are all handing out the tissues. That he (Vettal) can even come out and say that he is sorry he won, shows quite simply, that there are fixes on and why there should be no gambling on FI racing and highlights what a farce of a "sport" it has become.

David, from your first line I though you were about to launch into a stinging critique of German porn! Seriously though I liken this to cycling. Imagine if Chris Froome had scooted past Wiggins on the Tour to win a couple of stages (and he could have done so)

Brett and Red Kev, you have both hit on my pet hate over nearly 50 years of sports writing. Vettel is the modern day equivalent of compatriot Michael Schumacher in his heyday, both wouldn't hesitate to T-bone their own mothers if it meant winning a grand prix. In my rating of sporting low lives Schumacher and Vettel make renowned tennis bad boys Ilie Nastase, John McEnroe, and Jimmy Connors at their worst look like choir boys. Get out of there Mark Webber, before Vettel T-bones you. He's a nasty piece of work.

Was there anything better for F1 2013? Seriously. Putting aside my dislike for the actions of Sebastian yesterday, (and I'm not afraid to admit I led the Twitter torrent of outrage, with hashtags like #VeryOrdinaryIndividual and #SchumiSaintComparedToThisLittleSnipe...) I reckon it's this sort of personality conflict that F1 has been crying out for. Or just personality in general. Please God, no more Q & A with Kimi. Think about it. When F1 fans had someone to hate, the interest levels just skyrocketed. Senna v Alain. Schumi v Hill. Schumi v Villeneuve. (I'm beginning to sense a theme) Mansell v Piquet. My point is, this is great for us fans. There's a real cloud over just how much co-operation can be expected when the crunch comes, in not 1 but 2 teams. There's going to be real tension as fans, media and even teams choose sides. Meanwhile, the Season is looking very even so far. I predict several teams will be right in the thick of the points all year. So, while I still reckon Seb is a #Grub, I'm not grubby on what should be a tense, action packed season.

Mark wont be at redbull next year anyways, redbull have had to keep him there to keep all there technology in house - but with the new car, engine and regs next year it will be open canvas and total open playing field and red bull wont need to keep there cards to there chest and Mark wont be reatined, in fact i cant see him getiing a drive anywhere at the moment, his chance was Ferarri but if Massa continues to keep up with Alonso there no chance of that drive. Think he will be riding his mountain bike more then driving in 2014 sadly ....